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Posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 12:39:31
In reply to Re: I quit therapy today » happyflower, posted by Jen Star on July 2, 2005, at 0:13:55
> hi happyflower,
> I'm sure that your T doesn't feel that way about you! You're a great person and you're worth so much more than you give yourself credit for. Hopefully he'll realize how upset he's made you, and reach out to close the gap. I hope you two can work past this and continue therapy -- good, non-lying therapy, that is!Thank you , that was sweet for you to say! :) I think he has realized how upset I am, don't you think? lol I hope he doesn't give up on me, and lets me have another chance.
> Do you think that an explanation from him about the lying comment would help you feel trust for him again?
Yes, I don't think his explanation was good enough. I think a T should never tell a client he is a good liar, ever. Even if he thinks it is funny or anything else. To me with trust issues, it is like telling a abuse survior he is good at hiting his wife. You know what i mean?
> take care, and have a good weekend if you can! :)
>
Thanks, I am going to have a bonfire in the back yard with my DH and kids. I feel better now since I sent him that card today. :)
Posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 12:43:17
In reply to Re: I quit therapy today, posted by daisym on July 1, 2005, at 23:54:02
Posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 12:50:33
In reply to Re: I quit therapy today » happyflower, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2005, at 9:47:55
> I quit maybe seven, maybe more, times in the first five years of therapy. My therapist says he learned all he knows about how to treat a terminating client from me.
So quiting isn't all that uncommon? I hope so, because I hope he takes me back as a client. Maybe your T should give you a discount for training him! lol
>
> Now, I did have a pdoc who refused to take me back. But I had only seen him three times when I quit. (Of course, it was the blasted Wellbutrin he had me on that made me agitated enough to quit.)I think this might have been part of the problem for me too. I take Sarafem(prozac) every 2 weeks for bad PMS. My family doctor told me I could try to go without it for a month, if I thought I didn't need it after my PTSD was better. Well I do still need it because I turn into a little beast without it.
> It'll be ok Happyflower. And obviously you have something you need to talk to him about. It will be good to clear the air.
Thanks Diane, I just hope he give me a chance to clear the air. Have a good weekend!
Posted by Poet on July 2, 2005, at 13:18:14
In reply to I sent him a card today :), posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 12:07:37
Hi Happyflower,
I like the card, bassit-case is very clever.
I quit therapy and went crawling back two weeks later. I told my T that if I quit, again, not to take me back. She said she couldn't agree to that. I hope yours feels the same way.
Poet
Posted by B2chica on July 2, 2005, at 16:20:40
In reply to Re: I quit therapy today » Jazzed, posted by happyflower on July 1, 2005, at 21:37:58
> I really need some support right now. I think I might have over reacted with him, and now i feel bad.
doesn't matter who's right or wrong here. the fact is you had strong emotions and reactions to certain stimulus. i think it's important that you discuss this in session. maybe it's not about what you understood or misunderstood but about your emotional reaction. do you think it was over reacting? or was there a reason behind your feelings such as fear of betrayal, abandonment?? the fact of dumping him before he dismissed you?
maybe it's worth a conversation.
PLEASE take care of yourself and don't be hard on yourself for having the feelings you do. just learn to understand them.
lots of hugs
b2c.
Posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 17:15:41
In reply to Re: I quit therapy today » happyflower, posted by B2chica on July 2, 2005, at 16:20:40
>
> doesn't matter who's right or wrong here. the fact is you had strong emotions and reactions to certain stimulus. i think it's important that you discuss this in session. maybe it's not about what you understood or misunderstood but about your emotional reaction. do you think it was over reacting? or was there a reason behind your feelings such as fear of betrayal, abandonment?? the fact of dumping him before he dismissed you?Yes I am angry with him, but how I handled the anger, was overreacting, at least that is what I am thinking. I am upset that he took my trust and confidence and squashed it like a bug. To me telling a client who has trust issues that he is a bad liar, is like him telling a victim of abuse that he is a good wife beater. I do plan on telling him how it made me feel for him to tell me that especially after it took me over 4 months to trust him. I don't think a T should ever disclose this about himself, it is for his wife and his mother to worry about, but not me! I should feel safe with him.
I feel much better after I sent him a card today saying I am sorry for the overreacting to my angry feelings. (it still says I am angry but I am sorry for the overreacting) Thanks for the hugs! How have you been? I have been wondering about you! Take care>
Posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 19:02:34
In reply to Re: I quit therapy today » B2chica, posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 17:15:41
Posted by LadyBug on July 2, 2005, at 20:44:53
In reply to will my T take me back? whats your vote? (nm), posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 19:02:34
If he's a good T., absolutly he will!!!!!!!
I've quit a few times myself and where would I be if my T. didn't want me to come back? Lost and alone left to work out issues I need to work out with her.
Posted by Jazzed on July 2, 2005, at 21:10:29
In reply to Re: will my T take me back? whats your vote?, posted by LadyBug on July 2, 2005, at 20:44:53
> If he's a good T., absolutly he will!!!!!!!
>
> I've quit a few times myself and where would I be if my T. didn't want me to come back? Lost and alone left to work out issues I need to work out with her.I can't imagine why he wouldn't. You've worked through a lot with him. It's understandable when people react strongly to things, it's just part of being human. I think it's been a good relationship, and I think he'll not only "take you back", but never indicate you left.
Jazzy
Posted by GreySkyEyes on July 2, 2005, at 22:52:58
In reply to will my T take me back? whats your vote? (nm), posted by happyflower on July 2, 2005, at 19:02:34
I'm sure he'll take you back! And it will be an interesting session with lots to talk about. :) Might even bring you closer.
About the lying thing... I agree, he never should have said that. But: my husband is an amazing liar. He has had me going so many times (in a joking way, nothing serious). There was a point when I thought, he could lie to me about something major and I would never know. So it all boils down to trust. Kinda like religion, you have to take that blind leap of faith. You just have to trust that, although he is a good liar, he would never do so with you.
~gse
Posted by Tamar on July 3, 2005, at 7:50:24
In reply to I quit therapy today, posted by happyflower on July 1, 2005, at 17:09:25
I’m sure he will take you back. I can’t see any reason not to.
There’s something about this whole story that I find quite uncomfortable: it’s that when he said he was a good liar he seemed to be contrasting himself with your husband. At least that’s the way I read it (maybe it didn’t happen like that). It seemed to me that you said your husband was a bad liar and your therapist responded with something like, “Well (unlike your husband) I’m a good liar.”
I was trying to imagine how I’d have felt if my therapist had said anything like that to me. I wonder if it would have been so upsetting if you’d been talking very generally without any mention of your husband. If you’d said you can always tell when salesmen are lying to you, and he’d then said, “Well, (unlike some salesmen) I’m a good liar,” maybe there wouldn’t have been such a strong contrast. It still would have been a pretty hard thing to take.
So maybe the immediate context of the thought of your husband was an issue for you? Or maybe I’m off the mark.
But I’m sure he’ll take you back because it does seem to be what people call a ‘therapeutic opportunity’.
Tamar
Posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 12:40:57
In reply to Re: I quit therapy today » happyflower, posted by Tamar on July 3, 2005, at 7:50:24
> I’m sure he will take you back. I can’t see any reason not to.
I hope you are right, I never meant to quit.
> There’s something about this whole story that I find quite uncomfortable: it’s that when he said he was a good liar he seemed to be contrasting himself with your husband. At least that’s the way I read it (maybe it didn’t happen like that). It seemed to me that you said your husband was a bad liar and your therapist responded with something like, “Well (unlike your husband) I’m a good liar.”
Okay, this makes a lot of sense, but it is a thought I had much later. When T tried to explain what he meant, he said that perhaps my husband is lying and that I can't read him as well as I think. Well this is pertaining to if my husband is cheating on me. I don't know what is worse thinking my DH cheating on me or my T lying to me.Well when I entered therapy in Jan. I was living in a box with my family. So many people in my life has let me down and pooped on me that I was unable and didn't want to even try to trust anyone else.
But when things happened with my mother and I started to suffer from PTSD because of it, I knew I needed help.
The first thing I needed to learn was to trust my T. It took several months and little by little I came to trust him. It felt good and I saw the rewards in being with other people can bring. I know my T relationship isn't a personal one , but it was the closest thing to one that I have had in years.
Because of learning to trust him, it gave me convidence to pursue other people very slowly. He showed me that people can be good and maybe I can have faith in the human race again. I am talking on these boards, talking to strangers in the grocery store, and I am slowly learning how to be friend with a few neighboors because of this trust. I am much more "open" to people. Trusting my T has been my rock to lean on, especially since my current life is on the rocks like my marriage. But I am going on and still trying to do what I have learned in therapy. I learning to become a better more
rounded person.
Well in my last session he talked about termination and he said he was a good lier. I felt he was giving up on me, even when we are just getting to nitty gitty of things. The trust in my T is what gave me strength to change my life, now is he lying? It shook my safe place I felt I had with him, and make me question if everything he said was all lies to me. It shook my convidence in him. I need to be able to go to therapy and feel safe and trust him. I know in personal relationships you can't always count on this. But in a T relationship, is this something I should have to worry about? Shouldn't I feel safe to do my work with him?
I realize that he probably didn't see the weight of his words at the moment and how I would take them. I am sure he didn't mean to do this, I feel it was poor judgement on his part to use "himself" saying he is a bad liar especially with a client who has trust issues. If you can't trust your T , who can you trust? It would be like telling a client with a past history of abuse that he is good at hitting his wife. He should of used someone else as an example.
With my future so up in the air, I need to have a safe place where I don't have to worry if the other person is going to hurt me. My convidence in this has been shaken with him.
But one difference, when normally I would just end a relationship when someone did this to me, I am wanting to work this out with him. I am telling him I am sorry for overreacting to my anger and scared feelings. I guess I have built some trust in him, even though it is less now, I still want to work this out. He has let me down, and I told him this, I hope he will undertand this when or if I get a chance to see him again and explain it. My life is so much bettter since working with him, I would hate to start all over.
He has been able to get through to me when nobody else even came close. I don't think he knows what kind of impact he has had on my life. I plan on telling him this. It is hard for me to really open up, but he deserves to know how I really feel about what he has helped me change my life to be so much more rewarding then ever. I hope I get the chance to tell him this. :) I am feeling so nervous about it right now.
> But I’m sure he’ll take you back because it does seem to be what people call a ‘therapeutic opportunity’.
>
I hope so because I feel my emotions are pouring out of me. I need him, I hope he knows that.
Posted by Tamar on July 3, 2005, at 13:49:47
In reply to long post but it explains what I feel » Tamar, posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 12:40:57
> Okay, this makes a lot of sense, but it is a thought I had much later. When T tried to explain what he meant, he said that perhaps my husband is lying and that I can't read him as well as I think. Well this is pertaining to if my husband is cheating on me. I don't know what is worse thinking my DH cheating on me or my T lying to me.
I’m not entirely sure I understand. Was your T suggesting that your husband might be cheating on you without your knowledge? Was he intending to get you to think about whether you rely too much on being able to tell if people are lying in order to be able to trust them? Was he trying to encourage you to think of different ways of trusting people (e.g. trusting people on the basis of consistent behaviour)?
> Well when I entered therapy in Jan. I was living in a box with my family. So many people in my life has let me down and pooped on me that I was unable and didn't want to even try to trust anyone else.
> But when things happened with my mother and I started to suffer from PTSD because of it, I knew I needed help.
> The first thing I needed to learn was to trust my T. It took several months and little by little I came to trust him. It felt good and I saw the rewards in being with other people can bring. I know my T relationship isn't a personal one , but it was the closest thing to one that I have had in years.
> Because of learning to trust him, it gave me convidence to pursue other people very slowly. He showed me that people can be good and maybe I can have faith in the human race again. I am talking on these boards, talking to strangers in the grocery store, and I am slowly learning how to be friend with a few neighboors because of this trust. I am much more "open" to people. Trusting my T has been my rock to lean on, especially since my current life is on the rocks like my marriage. But I am going on and still trying to do what I have learned in therapy. I learning to become a better more
> rounded person.Yes. I can see that coming to trust him was a very significant issue for you.
> Well in my last session he talked about termination and he said he was a good lier. I felt he was giving up on me, even when we are just getting to nitty gitty of things. The trust in my T is what gave me strength to change my life, now is he lying? It shook my safe place I felt I had with him, and make me question if everything he said was all lies to me. It shook my convidence in him. I need to be able to go to therapy and feel safe and trust him. I know in personal relationships you can't always count on this. But in a T relationship, is this something I should have to worry about? Shouldn't I feel safe to do my work with him?
Yes, I think you should feel safe. I don’t think he should pull the rug out from under your feet. Not on purpose, anyway.
It occurred to me that all therapists are probably good liars. They have to be able to keep their facial expressions blank in response to just about anything, and they have to be able to keep an even tone of voice no matter what they’re saying. But I’m not sure they should advertise the fact! And I doubt they actually need to lie to clients. I don’t think a therapist could gain much from lying to a client, especially a good therapist who has his client’s best interests at heart.
> I realize that he probably didn't see the weight of his words at the moment and how I would take them. I am sure he didn't mean to do this, I feel it was poor judgement on his part to use "himself" saying he is a bad liar especially with a client who has trust issues. If you can't trust your T , who can you trust? It would be like telling a client with a past history of abuse that he is good at hitting his wife. He should of used someone else as an example.
I take your point. Your comparison with an abusive husband is a powerful and emotive one. Are you planning to use this example when you talk to him? I wonder if it’s just so powerful as to be a little dangerous… I only mean that if he doesn’t understand immediately what you mean, it could end up diverting the conversation…
> With my future so up in the air, I need to have a safe place where I don't have to worry if the other person is going to hurt me. My convidence in this has been shaken with him.
> But one difference, when normally I would just end a relationship when someone did this to me, I am wanting to work this out with him. I am telling him I am sorry for overreacting to my anger and scared feelings. I guess I have built some trust in him, even though it is less now, I still want to work this out. He has let me down, and I told him this, I hope he will undertand this when or if I get a chance to see him again and explain it. My life is so much bettter since working with him, I would hate to start all over.It’s great that you have made so much progress!
> He has been able to get through to me when nobody else even came close. I don't think he knows what kind of impact he has had on my life. I plan on telling him this. It is hard for me to really open up, but he deserves to know how I really feel about what he has helped me change my life to be so much more rewarding then ever. I hope I get the chance to tell him this. :) I am feeling so nervous about it right now.
I can imagine you feel nervous. I hope he understands. I’m sure when you talk about it he will help you explore the depths of your feelings about it.
> > But I’m sure he’ll take you back because it does seem to be what people call a ‘therapeutic opportunity’.
> >
> I hope so because I feel my emotions are pouring out of me. I need him, I hope he knows that.I’m sure he does. I hope you manage to get in contact with him soon.
(((((happyflower)))))
The waiting is hard, isn’t it? Keep posting.
Posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 14:21:43
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » happyflower, posted by Tamar on July 3, 2005, at 13:49:47
> > I’m not entirely sure I understand. Was your T suggesting that your husband might be cheating on you without your knowledge? Was he intending to get you to think about whether you rely too much on being able to tell if people are lying in order to be able to trust them? Was he trying to encourage you to think of different ways of trusting people (e.g. trusting people on the basis of consistent behaviour)?
Okay, here is all the story. My husband was on a buisness trip in Germany. There is this women who likes my husband, has for many years. They were friends, I even warned my DH that I think she is interested in being more than friends. I told him to be careful being her friend. Well a couple of years ago she got breast cancer. He helped support her during that time. Well she has been getting too close to my DH. On a buisness trip, after they and many others had been drinking during a business dinner, she came to his hotel room and tried to seduce my DH. He said nothing physical happened and he told her he was married and didn't want her in the same way. Well she got embarrest and quit her job. This was about 3 months ago. I recently found out she has come back to work their again.
Well during all of this past 3 months, my DH has been emotionally distant, not wanting sex, and has been avoiding spending time with me alone. He told me he is attracted to her, and it felt good to be wanted by someone new, and it left him confused. He said he liked her, but he was confused on whether she meant more than a friend. He knows that if he cheats on me, our marriage is over. Well he finally broke down and told me this about a month ago. He is a very bad liar, at least I always thought so, and he told me all of this and that nothing physical happened. I believed him that nothing physical happened. Well my T said are you sure you can really read him as well as you think? My T said he is a very good liar and he doesn't think I could tell if he was lying. (which I told him I think I could tell).
Then we went on to something else.
> Yes, I think you should feel safe. I don’t think he should pull the rug out from under your feet. Not on purpose, anyway.Yes, this is what it felt like to me. My husband used to be the only one I could trust, now I am not too sure. And now one person that I thought I could trust too( my T ) is all being questioned.
I feel like I am on shaky ground. My DH has had a great marriage for 11 years until this year. I think if this problem didn't surface, I would probably almost done with therapy. It is so hard to talk about with my T .> It occurred to me that all therapists are probably good liars. They have to be able to keep their facial expressions blank in response to just about anything, and they have to be able to keep an even tone of voice no matter what they’re saying. But I’m not sure they should advertise the fact! And I doubt they actually need to lie to clients. I don’t think a therapist could gain much from lying to a client, especially a good therapist who has his client’s best interests at heart.
I agree, I don't want to know if he is telling me white lies. I want to feel safe and trust him.
>
> >> I take your point. Your comparison with an abusive husband is a powerful and emotive one. Are you planning to use this example when you talk to him? I wonder if it’s just so powerful as to be a little dangerous… I only mean that if he doesn’t understand immediately what you mean, it could end up diverting the conversation…Can you expand on this thought, I was thinking of using this example to make my point on what he did to me. I was going to ask him just to sit back and let me talk and just listen to me, I will let him respond when I am done. I want to express myself and it might take awhile. I want him just to be patient and let me talk without interupting me.
> > (((((happyflower)))))
Thank for the hugs, some days we all just need that!
> The waiting is hard, isn’t it? Keep posting.Yes waiting is killing me. I hope he gets my card before he tries calling me. (maybe he doesn't intend on calling me anyways, without hearing from me first). Do you think if he calls me, I should just keep it short (since I already sent him a card that said I was sorry), and just confirm an appointment? Should I say much else, or do you think my card will be enough for him to know I am sorry? I appreciate your support Tamar! :) I really need support now, it is sad but true, I feel like my DH and my T has let me down. :(
>
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Posted by Dinah on July 3, 2005, at 15:29:44
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » Tamar, posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 14:21:43
Good grief. Of course you're angry with him.
It wasn't too kind of him to implant the idea that your husband was lying about something so important.
He not only suggested that he might lie, and you'd never know, but he tied it into the idea that your husband might cheat on you, and you'd never know. And how can you be so sure he didn't.
Geesh.
I'd be angry too. It seems very undermining of your attempts to keep a good relationship with your husband.
You've known your husband for years now. If you think he's telling you the truth, most likely he is. It sounds as if he's been very truthful about how he feels. Almost painfully truthful. But at least that gives you a chance to work together to solve the problem.
You'd think your therapist could concentrate on how to improve matters between you and your husband rather than on giving you the idea that things could be even worse than you thought.
Sometimes things enter a therapist's mind that really should stop before they issue from his lips. But sometimes they also screw up and blurt things out.
I can understand your anger better now. The whole thing probably connected him with your husband, and your husband with him, in highly disconcerting ways.
If he cheated on his wife, she wouldn't be able to tell. If your husband cheated on you, you wouldn't be able to tell. It calls into question your ideas about him as a moral human being, your ideas about yourself and your ability to determine reality, about your marriage and your husband's truthfulness.
I think it was a mistake. I don't think it was an unforgiveable mistake. But I do think it was a mistake.
I think I'd point out that I'd prefer the focus be on helping improve your marriage, not on making the marriage appear shakier than it in reality is.
But I do think you can work through this.
Posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 16:43:55
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » happyflower, posted by Dinah on July 3, 2005, at 15:29:44
I'm so sorry Happy and Tamar that your confidence in your Ts has been shaken. I'm glad that both of you are sticking with it to work it out, and that you're able to point out to them how and why what they said affected you so deeply.
Happy,
I'm so sorry, I didn't realize all of that with your husband! In light of that, those comments
really do seem way out of line, maybe it's like Dinah said, it got out of his mouth before he really considered the ramifications of how it would question not only your husband, but also your T.Tamar, I hope you will let your T know your thoughts about him bringing up termination. Scary when you feel you have a long way to go.
(((hugs to both)))
Jazzy
Posted by Tamar on July 3, 2005, at 16:49:36
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel, posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 16:43:55
Hi Jazzy,
> Tamar, I hope you will let your T know your thoughts about him bringing up termination. Scary when you feel you have a long way to go.
I think that was one of Happyflower's comments that you were responding to. Maybe I made a mistake in quoting her in my post? But yes, I think it's scary for Happy, and a lot to cope with on tope of the other stuff.Tamar
Posted by Tamar on July 3, 2005, at 17:28:44
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » Tamar, posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 14:21:43
I agree with everything Dinah said.
I know it’s not much fun when husbands notice other women. When I was pregnant last year my husband was interested in someone at work, and she seemed quite interested in him too. Normally I don’t think about that kind of thing much, but pregnancy seems to bring out my jealous tendencies. I don’t know if anything happened, but I would prefer not to know so I didn’t ask!
I’ve formed the impression that men don’t tend to think about relationships as much as women do. So when an ‘opportunity’ comes their way it seems like a big deal and a lot to think about. I reckon many women already know what they’d do if Brad Pitt or Ethan Hawke or that cute guy from accounts ever expressed an interest, but it seems to take men by surprise.
Rationally I believe it’s a good thing that my husband is attracted to other women, because it’s proof that he’s still alive! But it can feel a little threatening. Ultimately I believe most other women can't compete with me for my husband because we've been together for eleven years and I'm the mother of his children and also I'm amazingly good at [insert sex act here].
I think you do have to be able to trust your husband. And the fact that he has been pretty honest about his confusion over this woman is probably a good sign, I would think, even though it probably hurts. I think marriage is very hard work, but it’s pretty much impossible to do that hard work if people aren’t prepared to admit how they are feeling. I can’t think there are many marriages in which both partners look only at each other and never experience temptation.
> I feel like I am on shaky ground. My DH has had a great marriage for 11 years until this year. I think if this problem didn't surface, I would probably almost done with therapy. It is so hard to talk about with my T .Yes, and therapy has a way of uncovering problems like this. Maybe it’s a good thing you’re doing therapy at the moment so you can have some support for getting through it.
About the comparison with an abused wife and her abusive husband… I understand that you might wish to use as powerful an example as you can think of to get your point across. I suppose I just wonder how he will hear it. If he hears it and thinks, “She felt very hurt at the idea that I might be untrustworthy” then all is fine. But I suspect there’s a possibility that he might hear it and think, “She’s saying I’m like a wife beater and that’s appalling.” Of course, that thought doesn’t follow logically from your example, but people have a way of hearing emotive language and thinking it’s being aimed at them. I wonder if the imagery you’re evoking is so powerful that he might respond emotionally rather than logically. And then you might end up talking about that instead of the trust issue.I think you can still use the example, but it might come across better if you say, “It would be like telling a client with a past history of abuse that he is good at keeping his wife in line.” Just taking out the word ‘hitting’ makes it a little less emotive without removing the power of your comparison completely. Anyway, it’s your decision. And I think it’s a good idea to ask him to hear you out without interrupting.
> Yes waiting is killing me. I hope he gets my card before he tries calling me. (maybe he doesn't intend on calling me anyways, without hearing from me first). Do you think if he calls me, I should just keep it short (since I already sent him a card that said I was sorry), and just confirm an appointment? Should I say much else, or do you think my card will be enough for him to know I am sorry? I appreciate your support Tamar! :) I really need support now, it is sad but true, I feel like my DH and my T has let me down. :(
Yeah, I tend to think it’s best to keep things short when there’s something major to discuss. It’s usually better to talk face to face so you can get all those visual cues that help the conversation along.
I don’t know if he’ll call you first. I think it’s good that you sent the card, but he might still wait for you to call him. If you call him, you could ask if he received your card, and just say you’re sorry and you want to talk about it, and can you schedule an appointment.
I’m sorry that you’re feeling let down by two of the people you ought to be able to trust. I hope they will both go on to prove that they are in fact worthy of your respect.
Posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 19:13:45
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » happyflower, posted by Dinah on July 3, 2005, at 15:29:44
> Good grief. Of course you're angry with him.
Thank you Dinah for validating on how I feel. It is so hard to be mad at someone who I really like a lot. It kinda messes with your mind.
> >
> He not only suggested that he might lie, and you'd never know, but he tied it into the idea that your husband might cheat on you, and you'd never know. And how can you be so sure he didn't.
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> Geesh.Yup, how nice of him, AUUUGGHHH! Why not take all of my security away from me. I think I am going to bring a stuffed animal with me next session and say that this is my security object because it doesn't feel safe in his office. I am only kidding, lol Doesn't laughter help anger sometimes? :)
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> You've known your husband for years now. If you think he's telling you the truth, most likely he is. It sounds as if he's been very truthful about how he feels. Almost painfully truthful. But at least that gives you a chance to work together to solve the problem.I think I am right about this, but I guess my T might think there is something going on since he has started to not talk to me again lately. I don't know, I haven't really had problems like this in my marraige before.
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> Sometimes things enter a therapist's mind that really should stop before they issue from his lips. But sometimes they also screw up and blurt things out.
I guess I should give him a break, if this is the case, cause look what I did, ran my mouth and quit therapy. Now I would like to take my foot out of my mouth.> If he cheated on his wife, she wouldn't be able to tell. If your husband cheated on you, you wouldn't be able to tell. It calls into question your ideas about him as a moral human being, your ideas about yourself and your ability to determine reality, about your marriage and your husband's truthfulness.
You got it all in a nut shell! lol Plus he brought up termination in the same session. Not offically, but generally. I think he needs to take less time off because something fried his brain over vacation. lol
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> I think I'd point out that I'd prefer the focus be on helping improve your marriage, not on making the marriage appear shakier than it in reality is.
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> But I do think you can work through this.Thanks again, I hope I can work all this out. Life can be so hard sometimes.
Posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 19:17:16
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel, posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 16:43:55
>> Happy,
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> I'm so sorry, I didn't realize all of that with your husband! In light of that, those comments
> really do seem way out of line, maybe it's like Dinah said, it got out of his mouth before he really considered the ramifications of how it would question not only your husband, but also your T.
Well I was getting to it all, I have a lot to talk about! lol My life is getting better but is still messed up. It is like I fix a problem, then get 2 more to deal with.
Thanks for the hugs Jazzy. How are you doing? I will write later to ya! :)
Posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 19:26:47
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » happyflower, posted by Tamar on July 3, 2005, at 17:28:44
> I know it’s not much fun when husbands notice other women.
Ya, I hate to get jeolous! Hate it, Hate it!
Ultimately I believe most other women can't compete with me for my husband because we've been together for eleven years and I'm the mother of his children and also I'm amazingly good at [insert sex act here].
I have been married eleven years too, (good at sex too! lol) but you know some women like to pray on married men. I guess we have to trust that they will keep their thingie in the pants, and just look if they want.
> I think you do have to be able to trust your husband. And the fact that he has been pretty honest about his confusion over this woman is probably a good sign, I would think, even though it probably hurts. I think marriage is very hard work, but it’s pretty much impossible to do that hard work if people aren’t prepared to admit how they are feeling. I can’t think there are many marriages in which both partners look only at each other and never experience temptation.I agree, but it is so hard when you are the one that is threatened. I wish I could be more confident about my marriage, it is so hard especailly because I know this women, she is pretty, smart, and I can't find anything wrong with her other than she wants to sleep with my husband.
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> Yes, and therapy has a way of uncovering problems like this. Maybe it’s a good thing you’re doing therapy at the moment so you can have some support for getting through it.WEll I hope I still have my therapist right now, or I will be in deep cr@p!
> > I think you can still use the example, but it might come across better if you say, “It would be like telling a client with a past history of abuse that he is good at keeping his wife in line.” Just taking out the word ‘hitting’ makes it a little less emotive without removing the power of your comparison completely. Anyway, it’s your decision. And I think it’s a good idea to ask him to hear you out without interrupting.I will think about this some more, I want him to hear how hard it hit me, but yet I don't want him to get offended and miss the point.
> >> > Yeah, I tend to think it’s best to keep things short when there’s something major to discuss. It’s usually better to talk face to face so you can get all those visual cues that help the conversation along.
Good advice, as always! lol
> I’m sorry that you’re feeling let down by two of the people you ought to be able to trust. I hope they will both go on to prove that they are in fact worthy of your respect.
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> Thank you so much for helping me even when you are going through your own stuff. I really appreciate your support. :)
Posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 19:31:31
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » Tamar, posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 19:26:47
Posted by Tamar on July 3, 2005, at 19:57:24
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » Tamar, posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 19:26:47
> Ya, I hate to get jeolous! Hate it, Hate it!My feelings exactly. It hardly ever happens to me, but when it does I hate the person I become.
> I have been married eleven years too, (good at sex too! lol) but you know some women like to pray on married men. I guess we have to trust that they will keep their thingie in the pants, and just look if they want.
Yes, keeping the thingie in the pants is usually a good plan! Your husband needs to be sure of what he wants. I suppose you need to be sure of what you want too. Sometimes these things can shake up a relationship in a good way, though it’s tough at the time. I find it’s easy to take my husband for granted. So knowing there are other women who like him can make me realise what a catch he really is. But maybe that’s just me.
> I agree, but it is so hard when you are the one that is threatened. I wish I could be more confident about my marriage, it is so hard especailly because I know this women, she is pretty, smart, and I can't find anything wrong with her other than she wants to sleep with my husband.
Pretty and smart is an annoying combination in a love rival. But since he turned her down she'll be pretty and smart and embarrassed (I hope!). If she has any sense she'll leave him alone. If she doesn't leave him alone she risks making an *ss of herself. Oh, and being pretty and smart is all very well, but it doesn't guarantee she's any good at [insert *your* speciality here].
> > Thank you so much for helping me even when you are going through your own stuff. I really appreciate your support. :)Hey, we’re all going through stuff here. I appreciate your support too!
Tamar
Posted by Tamar on July 4, 2005, at 5:33:26
In reply to Re: long post but it explains what I feel » Tamar, posted by happyflower on July 3, 2005, at 19:26:47
Hmm... I thought again about what I was saying about the whole good liar/wife hitter thing... And I think it's not a very good idea for me to suggest that you modify what you want to say to your therapist. Obviously you should say what you want to say! After all, this is therapy.
Apologies,
Tamar
Posted by happyflower on July 4, 2005, at 7:55:30
In reply to on reflection... » happyflower, posted by Tamar on July 4, 2005, at 5:33:26
> Hmm... I thought again about what I was saying about the whole good liar/wife hitter thing... And I think it's not a very good idea for me to suggest that you modify what you want to say to your therapist. Obviously you should say what you want to say! After all, this is therapy.
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Oh Tamar! Please don't be sorry for telling this! I need somone to keep me in line. I don't want to screw up with my T. I think you are right that what I want to say is a little harsh. I am trying not to be that way, so I appreciate you "seeing" this for me. In fact, I should thank you for your honesty. :)
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