Posted by Larry Hoover on November 23, 2003, at 7:30:25
In reply to I HAVE LANDED A JOB!!!! » Larry Hoover, posted by JLx on November 23, 2003, at 4:46:02
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> > > Based on your experience, I increased my TMG a lot and am having a good result! :)
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> > Way kewl!
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> Yeah, it is. I just HAD to put that in my title. :)Double way kewl!
> I've been out of work for nearly two years...in part because of depression paralyzing me more often than not, but also because even when I applied and interviewed, I wasn't hired. This job will only be through tax season, and not pay enough for me to save my house from foreclosure, but it's much better than nothing, I'll get a recommendation, have more current work experience, etc., so I'm really pleased. :)
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> Despite that, the last couple days have been somewhat disquieting.
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> Thursday was my best day on TMG. I've been more anxious since then. I woke up Friday night and couldn't get back to sleep so I tried some tryptophan. I ordered the horse stuff, and by my imprecise calculations, going by their directions, figure I took about 300 mg. I wanted a small amount because I think I am very sensitive to the dopamine/serotonin balance based on my noticing that 100 mg of 5-HTP felt WORSE than 50 mg and 50 mg felt better than none (since I've started tyrosine/phenylalanine). I did get back to sleep but didn't feel so good yesterday. More anxiety and lethargy. Despite the new job, which really made it noticeable. And my hand was shaking so bad in the interview I almost couldn't fill out the application! (I'm usually not this anxious and yes, take niacinamide already.)
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> Then I got really irritable in the afternoon, remembered DSCH's experience with TMG, and took some more magnesium...which worked. So, then I didn't take my third dose of TMG, went to bed really early because I was so tired, & woke up twice. (The previous couple days on TMG I slept through the night, which is a real rarity since I've started tyrosine.)Be cautious about making projections about trends from short-term experience, OK? Sure, it's important....data points on the graph...but you've had some rather important and emotive events over the last few days, as well.
> I was just reading back on the archives a bit, and correct me if I'm wrong....SAMe is in some way serotonergic? So, TMG is too?
By implication (as a promoter of innate SAMe production), yes.
> If so, then I need to take that into consideration in what I'm trying to achieve in the way of a dopamine/serotonin balance.
Maybe you need a day off thinking....a mental health day....get some peace back in your mind.
> My joints are aching, I've got muscle tension in my neck and shoulders....along with the increased lethargy and anxiety (which feels like a knot in my chest), sleepy eyes yet unable to sleep...this reminds me of being on Zoloft.Or being wound up.
I'm just trying to suggest an alternative interpretation. Maybe you need to tweak. But maybe you need to snuggle in front of a fire (example, for illustration purposes).
> So, I took 1,000 mg of tyrosine this morning, and will take a bit less TMG today and no methionine. (I've been taking 500 mg)'kay.
> > > I didn't notice a boost until I took this higher amount. I feel more evened out, more energy and started sleeping better too.
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> > Too much makes me insomnic. Go figure.
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> Is there a cumulative effect?I think there is....or the enzyme induction gets up to full speed. That's not a scientific conclusion, it's my opinion.
> I just hate these things where you feel good for a short time and then start to sink again.
Or you get used to it, increase your activity, and overdo it. Go gentle. Go, but go gentle.
> It feels like having the possiblity of a "normal life" dangled before my eyes only to have to snatched back just when I reach for it.
Expectation adjustments may be necessary, on an ongoing basis.
I do a daily "energy inventory", which assesses whether or not I have reserve energy, active energy (the feeling I can accomplish things today, right now), and the things on my "list of things to do". I then propose to myself a tentative energy budget for the day, and I check the inventory again as I move along. If I slip into reserve energy, I must reduce my activities, or I pay a heavy price (forced rest) while I rebuild my reserves. There will always be a list (of things to do). But sometimes addressing the list just isn't on my list at all.
I do this all subconsciously, or with minimal consciousness, but that's the mechanism that maximizes my own functioning.
> I had had a job interview on Thursday that was actually much tougher than Saturday's and I just sailed through it with minimal job interview jitters and feeling sharp in my thinking answering questions.
That's great. That's so empowering. Now, relax again, 'kay?
> > > I'm still taking 500 mg of tyrosine as I think I need that for my thyroid if nothing else.
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> > That's a reasonable amount for thyroid maintenance.
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> This is such a grand thing to have corrected, I need to remember to count this blessing! :) Well, the selenium probably helps too, right?Well, ya, but....I just read an article (just published) that suggests that selenium has a complex effect on thyroid function, suppressing T3 in some people. You need selenium, absolutely, for proper thyroid function, but the new information suggests it is not an absolute benefit.
> I didn't know that previously. I went to my doctor at one time because I was so tired and my hair was falling out -- and depressed -- armed with my low body temperature info, but when my thyroid test results were normal, that was the whole story for her...I had no thyroid problem. Maddening.
More than maddening. It's friggin incompetency. The problem is in the standardization from which they developed the "normal range" of hormone levels. It has been *proven* that hypothyroid people were part of the normalization pool, but they still use the faulty numbers. In-friggin-credible, but true.
> It's no wonder so many of us have been forced to be our own doctors! And I must say, I have had much better success at it lately than they had. ;)
And, your doctor would attribute that to spontaneous remission, or use it as "proof" you weren't ill to begin with....
Isn't it incredibly empowering to take this into your own hands, in any case? I think so.
> > > "Dosage: 3,000 milligrams a day, followed by a maintenance dose of 1,000 milligrams a day for up to three weeks."
> > > http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Depression/dep_nutrition2.htm#TMG
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> > > 3 weeks, and then what?
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> > No reason to stop at three weeks. None.
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> Great, glad to hear that.
> > Just be alert to changes in responsiveness to dose. You may well need to tweak, or take occasional breaks. You'll get a gut reaction thing going, over time.
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> Does the adventure never stop? ;)
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> JLNo, it doesn't, because we're not static ouselves. Welcome to the rollercoaster, eh?
Lar
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