Posted by that_guy23 on November 27, 2008, at 16:35:20
In reply to Re: no stims/no benz BEST NARDIL AUGMENTION d/r » that_guy23, posted by JadeKelly on November 26, 2008, at 21:37:54
hey jade,
I guess I'll start with the great moood thing, this happened when I was upped to 75 at week 4. I can remember getting this euphoria, which I've probably mentioned. Anyway the euphoria lasted for a week straight, then off and on for a week, which was my 2 weeks on 75 from 4-5 weeks. During this time it was also when I got a hugh mood improvement, my attitude was great, and I had way more motivation. This was the greatest 2 weeks on nardil, actually, the greatest 2 weeks that I have had in a long time, without alcohol or street drugs. Unfortunately you hit the nail right on the head with the 105 dose increase. Felt effects of hypotension just as quick as the good effects at 75. This lasted horribly for a month straight, as I came down to 90 after a week, then 75, after 2 weeks. At 75 it was bad for a week, then it started to just come and go, but this left me very depressed. Since that, I have been on 75 for an extra 3 weeks, 4 in all. That shows you how I could wonder if the hugh dose may have back tracked me. I think though now after another 2 weeks on 75 I will put it at 90, if she allows it, if not she's history. This is what I wanted to the other day, and leave it there, until I feel a change. I think after 6 weeks on 75 and by then 14 weeks in all on nardil, that upping to 90 could very well bring me up a little, if not it is the max dose, and i'll just leave it at that.
AS far as getting advice goes, I found that going to too many people will make your head spin, and leave you more confused with all the different opinions. The only person on here now that I try and keep in touch with on a daily basis, is you. I've spoken to many people, few had helped a little, but you have been the most help yet. You see my point, and don't just disregard it. On other forums, and probably here to, there are allot of people that have been there so long, I guess they figure there always right, but you have to take into account taht everybody's body/brain acts differently. Whether it reacts slower to the drugs or faster, stuff like that.
Since right now I'm just getting through it all with the nardil and clonazepam, which isn't high enough at 1mg 3x a day, but she won't up it or change it. anyway, I think your great to talk to and find not only you give me ideas, or push me towards persuing my own, but just the chats alone help me feel better.
As for the pdoc., I don't really care about what she thinks of it, but I don't have alot of options where I live, in Newfoundland. A couple of people had mentioned to my mother, about the one that they called the drug pusher, but he could end up being the best one, and there's another, in my area, and I don't know much about them. There's 4 doctors in that town, which I have to travel an hour east to get to, one of them is not taking patients, that leaves the one I've got and the other 2. I'm just worried becuase doctors come and go here, and thats why it's such a hard decision. But I have to suck it up, and move on if she doesn't help.
You mentioned how increasing my dose and getting a non-addictive agument will help, yes thats what I'm looking for, although I still keep ritalin in my mind because, it help's The hypotension side effects, as well as sexuall side effects, Which really suck, But not just that, I feel it would be one of the best augmentors, and as far as abusing goes, my mother feel's more comfortable controling the drugs, so I would only get the dosage I am supposed to. Thats fine with me. As well it is supposed to be like cocaine, if you just over use it, it makes you more depressed, and I have this in my mind, and also one thing I can say about myself is, I have allot of will power, if I started feeling better thats all I would want. In saying that, any good nardil aumentation would be excellent right now! Back to the part of the addictive drugs. If the drugs are addictive and they are, I have read of people taking adderal xr and ritalin at the same time. Now if they didn't have a drug addiction before, they will still get addicted to this drug. And I know of that guy on another site, he takes the adderal xr, and klonopin for his SA, so I'm guessing he's been taking tose 2 addictive drugs for quite a while, and ritalin! He says it helps him amazingly, and he really does have allot of drug knowledge. I think he'e a pharmacist's helper or something like that.
As far as seeing my pdoc. just for the talks, it woulden't work. As soon as I'm refered to anther pdoc, I lose her alltogether, or maybe it's once I have my first appt. I'm not 100% sure. Either way that would be a no go.
Haha, lol, Yep I'm gonna pick my dream girl up, in my new car or truck on The day I get my license back, I think she'll be caught in the rain. It is funny though that you said that, unless I mentioned it, but I was thinking that hopefully by next summer I'll be feeling better, and thought once I have a way of getting around, it's time to look for a girl, one that has those beautiful eyes, and makes your heart skip a beat.
But unlike the one's in the past that were hadcore partiers like me, she'll be reserved, and quite, and we can just drive where ever the car takes us.lol.You like Clapton do you? Did you know that "Tears In Heaven" was wrote about/for his 4 year old son who fell out of a 53rd story building in his mothers friends condo and died. That made that song have so much more meaning to me. And like you said with the amazing guitarist he is. It must have took allot of courage to write and perform that song. It is one of my favourites as well.
The CBT, yes I am doing the journal, but as far as exposures go I'm not quite there yet. Don't get me wrong, I do beleive that cbt can work, and teach ways in how to stay in remission, but I just feel a little boost from some meds. may have to be there. As you said, about you feel strong potent drugs is the best answer for you, or something like that, well I feel the same way. I will continue the cbt, maybe i'm wrong, but I don't think so. She is there to talk to, at least, which helps. And I'll just take my time with the CBT.
My family, were always against drugs, but through allot of explanation, and them seeing me miserable, there coming around. As far as my pdoc. My mother really wanted me stick with this one. But After she has seen that since the nardil started, I didn't get along with pdoc., and this hadn't happened before, she doesn't really say, but I think she wants me to do whats best, otherwise she'd say something. She really didn't want me to end up with the so called drug pusher, they make him sound like he should be on some street corner. I think i'ts exageration, My father never did like my psychiatrist, he thought she was unprofessional after he went in and seen her dogs walking around, she does this for the kids she says. But he would find fault in any of them, he's really not a beleiver of all this drugs and therapy, but he does support me, and brings me there when ever I need him to. I also have an aunt, she is a big part of my life, and I talk to her all of the time about this, she wants me to wait it out and stay with my pdoc. or she did, It seems like all of them are seeing that I have more down days than usuall, becuase in there eyes I was pretty much cured, I wasn't, but I kept my spirits up and thats what the seen. So now they just say, well give it one more session and see how it goes, thats my plan. This is in 2 weeks, and I see other pdoc. for cbt next friday, so this can weigh in. They tell me that if I do get the pdoc. thats known to give out drugs easily, use your knowledge, becaue I have did allot of reserach on most A/D's, especially nardil, since I went it, and I feel that I would know, for the most part, what would help me if not, more research. I called today to all pdocs. secretaries, and for drug pusher I can prbably get set up for an appointment, as soon as she gets a refferal, which I have to see my GP for, which should only take 2 weeks, she'll call me to set me up for an appt. It was funny though, when she answered, I said I wanted to inquire about bcoming a patient, and she said, "what, you need methadone". I was like maybe they do like there drugs.lol. The other one said just send a refferal, and we'll see from there.
question: If I send a refferal, will I lose my pdoc. right away?
Well once again, thank you very much for seeing me through this hell. Remember I wanna help you in any way too. So I wanna hear more on jades journey next time as well.
your friend,
Shawn
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