Posted by Vincent_QC on November 25, 2008, at 13:35:23
In reply to Re: no stim /no benz BESTNARDILAUGMENT))Vincent_QC, posted by that_guy23 on November 25, 2008, at 10:00:23
> yes I am on nardil, now for 12 weeks in 2 days, I am only on clonazepam 1mg 3x a day
>Thanks for your answer...Me english level is not top notch...sorry...3 mg if clonazepam seem to be ok, I mean it's a norlam dose...the key is to not abuse of them...
> Yes I had drug addictions, mostly cocaine and extacy. But my biggest problem was alcohol, I am actually classified as an alcoholic. And have that to recover from as well.
>Ok, more stimulating drugs...My problem with drug was more with "weeds", LSD and PCP (chimical drug very cheap but very popular in Canada back in the begining of the 90's). I start drinking a couple of years ago and my problem begin to be more serious when I start Clonazepam pills...I was eating them like candy and I was drunk all the time.
> I don't have panic attacks, at leat not since I was younger. I think when I was fourteen, I smoked a joint with my friends that was a gager, it got me very stoned, I think all of a sudden I had an anxiety or panic attack and I freaked out.
> this was probably a first sign of anxiety, but I didn't realize until recently thats what it was.
>I only recall starting to feel anxious and depressed at age 16-18. Another time that I remember, I was working as a gas attendent, and was always so anxouis, but again I didn't know that I had a disorder, or at least seeked help, until about 20. Any way, I remember as a car pulled away after me gassing up, I started to feel really weird couldn't breath right, flet like I was going crazy, but I maintained my cool and it went away after 2-3 mins, and luckily there was knowone around, cause I would like ly have been ashamed.
> >
> >That's look a lot like my history... I had my first panic attack on drugs..."weeeds"...at maybe 15 yo...but at the time I was not aware of the anxiety or panic trouble problem so I continu to smooke "pot" everyday until I was 19 yo, when I do my first panic attack without taking any drug. I was freaked out. The symptoms you describe seem to be the ones of a panic attack.
> yeah I had a problem there too vincent, I kept upping the dose myself, and actually started to abuse them, eating them like candy whenever I went anywhere. This made me lose benzos.Loose benzos??? You mean?... Drug and alchol abuse is common in social phobia population. That's mean it's normal to abuse of the Clonazepam , Clonazepam act like alcohol, it's a depressor of the central nervous system and you feel less shy on them, less anxious...but one of this day you will have to pay for it...I mean that drinking with clonazepam can kill you, you double the chance to have a health problem. Don't give up, and stay at 3 mg of clonazepam, more will not make you feel more well...
> I found nothing with diazepam, I even took 110 mg one nght and downed a flask, and I still remember the whole night. xanax was good and ativan wasn't bad. but like you said there easy to get addicted to.
Diazepam is not as powerfull as the new generation of benzos...Newer anxiloytics are very powerfull. One rule you can apply to them, the less time they take to go in your bloodstream and make effects and the less time they stay in your system, the more addicting they are...Xanax and Ativan (Lorazepam) are the worst of them. They are short half-life drugs, mean that you will need always more and more... Diazepam (Valium) is a long half-life drug, stay more longer in your blood and is more stable also, you don't have the craving effect of Xanax or Clonazepam since you always get some of the drug in your system...I think it can stay more than 200 hours in the blood...mainly as different metabolites...Librium, an older drugs than Valium is the less addictive... But you're right, Diazepam do nothing for the anxiety, especially if you take Clonazepam before or another powerfull drugs like it... Like I write before, I take it just to prevent the withdrawl sysmptoms comming from the benzos...I never felt anything on it, I just get a lot of fatigue. With the time, the fatigue fade away...I see it like a prevention pill...a security pill if you want...When I will find the good drugs to help me with social phobia I will stop the Diazepam by 1 mg/week...
> that must have been hard! and took alot of motivation
> >Motivation yes...Hard...you can't beleive how hard it was. Unable to speak, unable to think, always overstress, I think I loose more than 20 pounds in the first 2 weeks. I was unable to going out of the house, I had a lot of anziety and panic attacks, shaking, muscles spams, hallucinations, irritable to the point that I was violent...It take more than 2 months to recover...and after 5 months, I still have some withdrawl symptoms, lack of memory, difficulty speaking, my hands shake a lot, I start a discussion and I get lost and I forget the main subject in the midle of the discussion. I can't look at the TV or stay in ront of my computer a long time because I became very tired fast...I don't wish this to anyone in the world.
> I can here that I was increased way too fast, but stayed because it's the gold standard for SA. and I heard of such success.
> >Maybe yes, maybe not...We are all different on that. What I can read about your problem look a lot like the one I got before so it why I wanted to talk about my experience. Remember that you're not suppose to feel an "high" on an antidepressant. Yes, you're suppose to see some improvement of your mental health state but not an" HIGH"... Taking more will not make you recover more faster. You have to wait...I know about patience, I don't have it either, but what we can do???? I think you will have no choice to wait another month or so, just in case...After, if it fail, ask for parnate, but don't forget it's a more activating antidepressant, so it work less for anxiety or social phobia. Adding a stimulant with can be dangerous also. I don't know why some people here seem to be not aware of it. I will never take a chance with that.
I drink more coffee to have more energy that's it... I had several try of stimulants in the past, Ritalin, Adderall, provigil...and that's not good for anxious people.
I'm lacking a lot of energy, In fact I don'T have energy at all, I don't sleep a lot at night, I do insomnia and I have to take a long nap every afternoon...I try to stop doing a nap , to help my sleep problem at night I never succed...Taking a stimulant will just leave you without energy at all after and with more fatigue...
> thanks for the advice
Your welcome...i'm here for that...even if I don't understand everything on this website, since i'm new...
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