Posted by JadeKelly on November 24, 2008, at 23:00:12
In reply to Re: no stims/no benz BEST NARDIL AUGMENTION d/r » JadeKelly, posted by that_guy23 on November 24, 2008, at 14:36:07
> hey jade,
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> hows it been going for you, i'd love to hear a little about your situation and how it's going.hey that guy Shawn, haha
Still trying out the Parnate and will soon add augment if I can. Some are adding a smaller amount of other A/D's. I'll let you know what happens.
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> I am so appretiative for the help. You always come through with some concern, and good input for me, I have seriously never experienced someone being so nice to someone they don't know. I think your definatly the kind of person we need more of on these boards!Thanks, glad to be of service! I have brothers, sons, nephews. Its good to have people to talk to who have seen it all already.
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> Well I guess I will get to your last post. I am seeing a psychologist and just recently started cbt by the way. I keep a thought journal, for everyday, and now she wants me to start on exposures, if your familiar with that. I feel though that I find it hard for both these things, but I do keep an everyday thought journal, but have yet to use exposures.I think its great you're openminded enough to keep the journal and I bet the exposures will be scary. But if you've come this far, I think you can pull it off. Just don't let anything derail you. I don't know exactly what the exposures will be obviously, but just do the best you can and if something totally freaks you out, well, bail!! Weren't expecting that I geuss. Someone was talking about this on another thread (I'll try to find it tomorrow) it said pushing it too far can backfire. I'm not trying to set you up for failure, I think you can do all of them. BUT if you're asked to do something you can't, again, don't let it derail you.
But so far it's just been the talking, and letting things out to both pdocs. And it is so easy to talk to them about everything. I have also opened up to close family and friends more so. I'ts like this time, as in tried this several times and fell back to the drink, I actually for the firts time really truly feel that I want and have to recover!
Thats great! You sound better and stronger. Keep up the good work! I bet your family is proud of you. I think thats a good attitude, you didn't ask for depression, you tried to handle it, now you're getting help!
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> I did suggest the stims, and ritalin, at that, and in a way kind of shows you were right in both cases. I know the stims would work very well in social aspect because I did do allot of cocaine and remeber hearing how there very similar. Now this could make you wonder, did I just want to get back on drugs, or have something that I could take in low doses that would help me socially. I truly beleive that it is the latter. I know it is a similar drug, but I only wanted it to feel better not to abuse. Now in my sub-concious it could have some role, so I guess right now,the stims. wouldn't be such a good idea.You could have the BEST intentions. But it would be too tempting. One really stressful day...well you know the rest. I wouldn't give up on an augment down the road, but your Doc will have one in mind I'm sure. You'll have time here, too, to see whats working for people.
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> I do have a plan to call her to up my dose to 90 mgs, but she still won't augment. The last time I was there, I did ask for her suggestions on an augmentatin, but she said she wasn't going that route just yet, thats when the whole thing about me being able to get another doc. came up. So you see my predicament, lose her, and maybe get a worse pdoc. that would still not give me augmentation, Probably unlikely for both though, or stick with her on just nardil and clonazepam.
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"route just yet"That says she's willing to do it, just not yet. Does she know the CB Therapist? I bet if you keep that up, and don't ask for any more stims, etc. She'll augment. She'll have to. She can't just leave you on a med thats not working. I say go up to 90 tho. I'm increasing Parnate too.
> This caused me allot of distress, and still is becuase I can't see myself stopping nardil, being the gold standard for SA/SP, for at least 4 months in.
Did she say give it 4 months, or did you set that time frame?
So I don't know about switching to parnate yet, but maybe after nardil trial, which I hope I don't have to. That means another six weeks on nardil with just clonazepam, unless it works of course. I hope I can stck it out. Actually on wednesday I think it will be 4 weeks on 75, then I will up to 90 mg, until I see change, or decide to drop nardil.
>Well, everyone says be patient on Maoi's. I wish they would hurry up also.
> Is there a waiting period to switch from nardil to parnate or whats the deal with that? Ehat about other AD's? Does it require a washout period? If I decide to stop taking nardil how fast can I come off of it from 90 mgs? In asking all of this I hope I'm right that I read you used to be on nardil. If so, how did it effect you? how long were you on it?
Yeah, 2-4 wks depending on the switch. Usually 4 weeks. Especially if not MAOI. No, I wasn't on Nardil, but I was on the Emsam patch. Another MAOI. They made it so at lowest dose no food restricts. I liked it, but had to go up in dose so went to Parnate since had restricts anyway. Whats wierd to me is that crazy good feeling that lasts a week or two. Happened to me on BOTH Maoi's. So you stick to therapy and I'll be the Guinnea Pig for augments. I believe it will be dopamine/norepinephrine kind of med. I hoping to get back some of that initial response. Maybe it will come on its own.
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> Well I guess that coers everything, I think.
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> hope to hear from you soon. I want to know a little about jade!Jade has an awesome family and life that she would really like to get back to, once this leach of a depression leaves me!!! I've never been depressed before this, so learning like you!!
You take care, keep talking, its helping you I can tell. Keep me posted, I'll be around.
~Jade
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> sincerly,
> shawn
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