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Posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 21:31:26
In reply to Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob... » Deneb, posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 21:14:52
>It's difficult to convey just how upset I am that people think of me that way: ie. wanting to get bad attention from Dr. Bob and wanting to make others feel guilty...these are the things I want to desperately *avoid* doing. JenStar, I would rather die than do those things...
I remember reading about BPD. About how there are a lot of characterisations of BPD out there along the lines of 'attention seeking' and 'manipulative'. I remembered thinking that I would rather die than be those things. I didn't think I was those things, but then I worried that maybe I was but I was in denial about it, and then I got really afraid that other people thought this of me and I got really afraid that it might be true and...
... That was no good to me whatsoever. It hurt me so very much. I withdrew from people because my biggest fear was that I was like that. That I was unacceptable and not fit for human company and that the biggest favour I could do for people was just to leave them the hell alone. So I withdrew from the world.. But then I was so very lonely.. It was such a horrible place to be.
I understand that.
I understand how much it hurts.Now... The trouble is making sense of it. Why do people characterise people with BPD in those terms?????
> > I'm so sorry I could die to prove this...tell me to die and I'll do it.
I think what strikes people here is *Why* on earth would someone post such a thing???
Are they trying to provoke a response?
Are they trying to get some attention?
Why on earth???And so people do wonder why someone would post such a thing. What were you hoping to achieve?
Because that is the way that people think about such posts.
Were you venting???
Were you trying to express just how bad you felt???
Now maybe I'm wrong...
But my guess would be that yes.
You were trying to express just how terrible you felt at the time of posting
And that is why you posted it.But other people don't really see it as an EXPRESSION of how you were feeling,
They wonder what you were trying to achieve in posting such a thing
They wonder what sort of response you were expecting from others.I don't know whether it occured to you to think about how other people would likely respond to that.
Maybe you were just expressing how you felt.
But you need to start looking at the effect that that sort of post has on other people too.Dr Bob couldn't respond to that, you know.
If he did then he would be reinforcing your making that sort of post
again
and again
and again...
Basically...
You can express how you feel.
Really.
But there are more or less appropriate ways of doing that.That wasn't so appropriate.
But there are other ways.
Posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 21:43:18
In reply to Re: Deneb, I replied to you over on Social..:-) » Deneb, posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 21:13:01
> I know you are going through a hard time right now.
> Trying to figure out how much it is okay to express your feelings; your frustration and pain and hopelessness and anger and your thoughts on suicide
> And trying to figure out how much you have to curb that in order to not upset others.
> There is a balance, a middle way
> But it can be hard to find...(((Alexandra))) You describe my situation with great eloquence and understanding. I think you are right...I'm trying to find a balance...it is very difficult...both the balancing and the impulse control.
> Then I try to post something in response to someone elses thread. A thoughtful response. To support them the way I would like other people to support me.
> To model for others the kind of response I would like for myself.
> I could stand to get a lot better at that ;-)I think you are very good at supporting others. :-) You're certainly a model for me.
> With respect to suicide...
> There are people here at different places.Thanks for explaining that to me. It's difficult for me understand that other people do not think about it all the time like I do.
> I don't mind if you talk about having suicidal ideation
> But I don't want to hear specific details.I'm just not sure still about what the difference is...please help me understand. I've been thinking that all my "bad" posts have been about ideations. For the future should I simply state that: "I have suicidal ideations right now"?...instead of saying something like: I feel like I want to take X and do Y?
> By the way:
>
> It was after you said you wished you could make the Babble party but you couldn't that Dr Bob suggested Toronto for 2006.
>
> He wouldn't have done that if he really didn't want to meet you.Yes, I know. I'm starting to think that maybe there is something really wrong with me sometimes...it's like I can't control what I'm thinking and I start thinking really bizarre things. Thankfully it usually doesn't last too long. I'm still trying to understand what exactly is the matter with me. I promise I'm going to try really really hard to get myself together.
Thank-you so much for the explaination Alexandra. I understand the boundaries a little better now. It helps me to know how I can make others feel better and not harm them. Thanks again so much. Please forgive my lack of social skills.
jenny
>
Posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 22:02:44
In reply to Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob..., posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 21:31:26
> So I withdrew from the world.. But then I was so very lonely.. It was such a horrible place to be.
>
> I understand that.
> I understand how much it hurts.You made it through :-) I'm so glad you did. It gives me great hope that you did that. :-)
> > > I'm so sorry I could die to prove this...tell me to die and I'll do it.
>
> I think what strikes people here is *Why* on earth would someone post such a thing???
> Are they trying to provoke a response?
> Are they trying to get some attention?
> Why on earth???Oh my gosh! Alexandra, can you believe that it NEVER ever occurred to me that people would think "Why on earth I would post such a thing?"??!!! I seriously didn't know people thought this! Wow, my thinking must be seriously flawed.
> And so people do wonder why someone would post such a thing. What were you hoping to achieve?
>
> Because that is the way that people think about such posts.
>
> Were you venting???
> Were you trying to express just how bad you felt???
> Now maybe I'm wrong...
> But my guess would be that yes.
> You were trying to express just how terrible you felt at the time of posting
> And that is why you posted it.Yes...I think you are 100% correct. I was trying to *express* myself. I just did not know *how* to express myself. I just don't.
> But other people don't really see it as an EXPRESSION of how you were feeling,
> They wonder what you were trying to achieve in posting such a thing
> They wonder what sort of response you were expecting from others.Alexandra, I cannot express just how useful this info is to me right now. This is a big light-bulb moment for me. I had no idea. I'm starting to understand, I think, maybe.
>
> I don't know whether it occured to you to think about how other people would likely respond to that.
> Maybe you were just expressing how you felt.
> But you need to start looking at the effect that that sort of post has on other people too.OMG ((((Alexandra)))), thank-you so much for explaining this to me. This is extremely useful information for me...I just never knew. I can't believe it never occurred to me that others thought that way...I'm just so stuck in my own mind. I won't forget this. Now, I just have the problem of *how* to express myself. I don't think I know how to express myself in ways that aren't so harmful to others. (I'm really sorry BTW for being harmful...I swear I did not think I was being harmful when I wrote that sentence...hard to believe, yes, but true).
> Dr Bob couldn't respond to that, you know.
> If he did then he would be reinforcing your making that sort of post
> again
> and again
> and again...Wow, you are so very smart Alexandra! I think I *get* it. :-) You're right!
>
> Basically...
> You can express how you feel.
> Really.
> But there are more or less appropriate ways of doing that.
>
> That wasn't so appropriate.
> But there are other ways.I gotta learn some other ways quick. :-)
jenny
Posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 22:11:03
In reply to Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob..., posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 21:31:26
Is it ok that I print out your post to me so that I can look at it before I post? It makes me feel a lot better and might give me more control.
Eeekk, I just can't thank you enough Alexandra for letting me *see*. I feel like I've just found out what the Matrix is or something...hehe.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 23:47:44
In reply to Re: Deneb, I replied to you over on Social..:-) » alexandra_k, posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 21:43:18
> I'm trying to find a balance...it is very difficult...both the balancing and the impulse control.
Yes. It is difficult. And it is something that comes and goes a bit. We just have to do the best we can...
> It's difficult for me understand that other people do not think about it all the time like I do.> I'm just not sure still about what the difference is...please help me understand. I've been thinking that all my "bad" posts have been about ideations. For the future should I simply state that: "I have suicidal ideations right now"?...instead of saying something like: I feel like I want to take X and do Y?
Yeah, fairly much.
If you are thinking about suicide you can say that you are thinking about suicide.
Saying that you are thinking about specific methods like 'jumping off a tall building' or taking an OD probably aren't so good... I guess it isn't that there is a general rule there. But a description like that gets mental pictures running through my mind...And the point... The point about suicide... Is something that you thought before. That it isn't so much about dying anyway as it is a wish that the pain and all those horrible feelings would go away.
So it is probably still more helpful to talk about those bad feelings. And help work through some of those bad feelings. Because when the bad feelings go then the suicidal ideation typically goes along with it (or at least isn't so very intense).
> I'm starting to think that maybe there is something really wrong with me sometimes...
Everyone has a hard time when they are feeling really stressed / are feeling a lot of intense negative emotions. It is even part of the diagnostic criteria for BPD that there can be brief episodes of psychosis (typically paranoia) when the person is feeling extremely stressed. IMO that is what is going on. Sometimes you really are very distressed and in those times you do tend to post stuff that sounds a little paranoid. But it goes away when you aren't so intensely upset.
>it's like I can't control what I'm thinking and I start thinking really bizarre things. Thankfully it usually doesn't last too long.
Yeah :-)
Somewhere between a couple hours to a couple days max.>I'm still trying to understand what exactly is the matter with me. I promise I'm going to try really really hard to get myself together.
I know you are trying.
:-)
It is just hard to know what to do sometimes.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 23:55:37
In reply to Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob... » alexandra_k, posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 22:02:44
>I gotta learn some other ways quick. :-)
I really think you should try and find out if you can do DBT. Really really really. Thats where I learned this stuff from.
One whole section is on interpersonal communication.
Another is on emotion regulation (so the bad feelings aren't so bad)
Posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 23:56:19
In reply to Re: Thank-you so much Alexandra! » alexandra_k, posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 22:11:03
Yeah, thats cool :-)
Just be warned...
The magic will eventually wear off ;-)
Posted by JenStar on June 1, 2005, at 0:08:20
In reply to Re: (((((((JenStar)))))) thanks for trying to help, posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 21:25:36
yes, of course we're still friends! I understand that you're upset, and I'm sorry if I pushed you too far. I can sometimes be very blunt in my posts. I'm just concerned about you; I want you to be OK.
I hope you're doing well & having a good day. Take care of yourself!
JenStar
Posted by JenStar on June 1, 2005, at 0:08:52
In reply to Re: (((JenStar))), posted by alexandra_k on May 31, 2005, at 21:16:05
thanks for the hug! I appreciate it. It was very welcome! :)
JenStar
Posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:04:16
In reply to Deneb, I replied to you over on Social..:-) » Deneb, posted by 10derHeart on May 31, 2005, at 11:46:28
I'm angry after seeing my family doctor...I really think she's a little crazy. Appointments with her are always sooo long...mine was almost an hour today. It would be nice if she were actually being productive during that time, but she just goes on and on and on about useless stuff.
I really think I told her everything...but she doesn't agree that I need to use a med to control myself when I'm extremely upset. Then she went on about how medicine is an art form and how just because a med is right for other people doesn't mean it is right for me. Then she took out a Better Homes and Garden magazine and told me that I should take up scrapbooking like she does. She told me she likes to go home after a busy day and cut out pictures of clouds and flowers and birds...she suggested I do the same. She also told me to go do some gardening, and painting when I'm enraged and suicidal...what the bleep! She doesn't understand me at all!
I then asked her about how I can get some DBT...she told me that only Americans have services like that (just as I had suspected)...Canada doesn't have enough money put into services like those. She then told me that I had better stick with the p-doc I've got right now because no p-docs will see me once the word "suicidal" is mentioned...this is true BTW, this happened the first time I was referred to see a p-doc...she wouldn't even see me. So...basically, the doctor just told me that there is nothing anyone can do to help me. I simply have to take up a hobby like scrapbooking or painting.
This doesn't make sense at all...how come suicidal people can't get treatment here in Canada??? I don't understand. So are my problems too big to handle or too insignificant to handle? Or is it utterly hopeless for me?...therefore I should take up scrapbooking and hope I won't kill myself??? Ahhhh! I don't get it. I was so frustrated...I felt almost like I wanted to kill something. I think bad bad thoughts sometimes...really bad.
Posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:25:41
In reply to Re: Don't know what to make of this, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:04:16
People want me to suffer! I feel like I want to hurt someone/something. I can't get into details, but it's gruesome. I'm so evil to think this. I'm so annoyed...I don't know what to do. I feel like the only way to get help is to do something really drastic. It's not fair! People don't believe me when I say I feel on the edge sometimes...maybe I need to prove this. I hate to do this...I feel vengeful. People don't believe me! I want to make them sorry they doubted me.
Posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:38:47
In reply to Re: I'm so angry...ppl want me to suffer *trigger*, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:25:41
Once the time is right, I will hurt myself again. I don't care if I live or die...that'll show them! I was serious! BLEEP. I will, because I need to prove I'm suffering. I need to do something drastic...no one bleeping believes me.
Posted by JenStar on June 1, 2005, at 16:55:24
In reply to Re: That's it, I've had enough *trigger*, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:38:47
hi Deneb,
First of all,
give yourself credit. You went to the doctor and talked to her honestly, you said. That took a lot of courage! I'm glad you tried it.You then said that you could try to "show" them all by hurting yourself. But you'd be the big loser in that equation - if you hurt yourself to make a point, the only person you end up destroying or "showing" is YOU. You'd be showing yourself that you don't have a future, that you're NOT in control, and that you don't matter. You'd be "showing" that you're a loser, because you lost a chance at a good and productive life. The further down the road of self-destruction you go, the more twisted & difficult it will be to get out.
I know I'm lecturing and you're probably tuned out (or mad at me again! Sorry!). I mean, scrapbooking and gardening are obviously not going to do it for you. You need something more. But don't give up on yourself. If this doctor isn't good, find another one.
You said that this doctor speaks Cantonese. Is she an herbalist or an expert in traditional Chinese medicine? Does she focus more on Western medicine, or more on Eastern techniques of relaxation & control? Can you tell her that she didn't help you at all, and that you either want a medication or a referral to another doctor?
I'm trying to think of ways to get the problem solved without hurting yourself. Pretend that someone was going to give you a million dollars if you solved the problem of how an imaginary "Jenny Deneb" was going to get herself help, even though her doctor only talked about scrapbooks. I bet if there was enough motivation you could come up with tons of clever ideas. Just equate yourself to a million dollars. YOu're a precious person. There are ways to fix the situation without hurting yourself.
Take care.
JenStar
Posted by rainbowbrite on June 1, 2005, at 16:56:14
In reply to Re: That's it, I've had enough *trigger*, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:38:47
I dont think it is that no one believes you I think it is that people dont necessarily know what to do to help you. We all need different things, one perosn may need major space and another may need to be with people when they are upset.
have you tried saying to your pdoc "I need this when I am upset?" or "what is available for me when...?" Maybe think up some ideas that you know help you feel better and brainstorm with your pdoc about how to put them into practice when you are feeling desparate.
The problem is that when it comes down to it we have to fight for ourselves. I learned pretty young that if you want something or NEED something emotionally YOU have to supply it yourself.
the doctors and Ts out there are not in it 100% for their patients, they cant be....it would drain the life out of them if they were.
Have you used crisis lines? Maybe that would be an approach. trying to 'show' someone or prove to someone how upset you are only hurts you in the end not them.
I know its hard, and I know you are opposed to this idea but would you consider hospital? Or day program? It could suprise you and be the best thing. I think I read somewhere that you live near a really good hospital. Maybe?
take care,
Rain
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 1, 2005, at 17:10:04
In reply to Re: Don't know what to make of this, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:04:16
> I really think I told her everything...but she doesn't agree that I need to use a med to control myself when I'm extremely upset.
Okay, so your family physician is no help. Scrapbooking is not going to do the trick.
> I then asked her about how I can get some DBT...she told me that only Americans have services like that (just as I had suspected)...Canada doesn't have enough money put into services like those.
That's simply not correct. You have one of the best psych hospitals in Canada, right on Carling Ave.
> She then told me that I had better stick with the p-doc I've got right now because no p-docs will see me once the word "suicidal" is mentioned...this is true BTW, this happened the first time I was referred to see a p-doc...she wouldn't even see me.
I don't know what's up with that. You do need a proper referral to get access to the services provided at the Royal Ottawa.
> So...basically, the doctor just told me that there is nothing anyone can do to help me. I simply have to take up a hobby like scrapbooking or painting.I wonder what she'd feel like being in your scrapbook? <joking>
> This doesn't make sense at all...how come suicidal people can't get treatment here in Canada???
That's simply untrue that you can't get treatment. Maybe this doctor won't help you, but there are other doctors.
> I don't understand. So are my problems too big to handle or too insignificant to handle? Or is it utterly hopeless for me?...therefore I should take up scrapbooking and hope I won't kill myself??? Ahhhh! I don't get it. I was so frustrated...I felt almost like I wanted to kill something. I think bad bad thoughts sometimes...really bad.
When does your pdoc get back?
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 1, 2005, at 17:37:51
In reply to Re: Don't know what to make of this » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on June 1, 2005, at 17:10:04
> > I really think I told her everything...but she doesn't agree that I need to use a med to control myself when I'm extremely upset.
http://schizophrenia.ncf.ca/resources_a.htm
Don't be put off by the name of the group. There may well be some resources you can access by contacting these people. They have all the contacts for emergency psych care listed.
Lar
Posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 18:19:47
In reply to Re: That's it, I've had enough *trigger* » Deneb, posted by JenStar on June 1, 2005, at 16:55:24
> You then said that you could try to "show" them all by hurting yourself. But you'd be the big loser in that equation - if you hurt yourself to make a point, the only person you end up destroying or "showing" is YOU.
Yes, I know this now. I don't want to hurt myself anymore...I just read a graphic account of someone's OD...I don't want to pee blood!
> If this doctor isn't good, find another one.
I don't think this is possible. My family doc wants to see me in a week though. She wants to see my posts...I'll see what happens.
>
> You said that this doctor speaks Cantonese. Is she an herbalist or an expert in traditional Chinese medicine? Does she focus more on Western medicine, or more on Eastern techniques of relaxation & control?I think she went to medical school in Hong Kong a while ago, but she does practice Western medicine.
> Can you tell her that she didn't help you at all, and that you either want a medication or a referral to another doctor?
I think I may have to give up on the idea of a "magic" pill. My family doctor said that there is no way she's going to give me something like Zyprexa because she's afraid I will use it to harm myself or others.
Thank-you JenStar ... you may have saved my life by asking me that astronomy question :-)
jenny
Posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 18:30:48
In reply to Re: That's it, I've had enough *trigger* » Deneb, posted by rainbowbrite on June 1, 2005, at 16:56:14
> I dont think it is that no one believes you I think it is that people dont necessarily know what to do to help you.
Perhaps...it's just so frustrating...it's like I speak another langauge and no one understands me or can soothe me.
> have you tried saying to your pdoc "I need this when I am upset?" or "what is available for me when...?" Maybe think up some ideas that you know help you feel better and brainstorm with your pdoc about how to put them into practice when you are feeling desparate.
My p-doc just told me to pretend I was talking to her when I get upset. I don't know if seeing her has been productive for me...we never seem to have enough time to do much of anything during the appointments.
My family doc told me to go for a walk when I get upset...to punch a pillow, garden and scrapbook. She kept telling me that I shouldn't rely on astronomy or basketball?? (I don't even play basketball) because they involve groups of people and I cannot do those things on the spur of the moment to calm myself.
> The problem is that when it comes down to it we have to fight for ourselves. I learned pretty young that if you want something or NEED something emotionally YOU have to supply it yourself.
This is *very* hard for me to do. I don't think I've ever learned completely how to soothe and comfort myself. :-(
> Have you used crisis lines? Maybe that would be an approach. trying to 'show' someone or prove to someone how upset you are only hurts you in the end not them.Yes, sometimes...but my Mom is home all the time now...there is no privacy...she even came with me to my appointment today. So annoying.
> I know its hard, and I know you are opposed to this idea but would you consider hospital? Or day program? It could suprise you and be the best thing. I think I read somewhere that you live near a really good hospital. Maybe?Yes, there's the Royal Ottawa Hospital close-by...but I get the feeling it is for "severe" cases....I mean, they even have criminals there! It is under some construction right now...being expanded and renovated entirely by some private company or something...I pass by it on the bus.
Thanks Rain for the advice
jenny
Posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 18:37:43
In reply to Re: Don't know what to make of this » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on June 1, 2005, at 17:10:04
> I don't know what's up with that. You do need a proper referral to get access to the services provided at the Royal Ottawa.
My family doc wants to see me in a week. She said she was going to look into the clinic at the ROH, she said she needed to know me better to be able to write a referral letter. I don't know if this will help me.
> When does your pdoc get back?
I'm not entirely sure, I think in two months...but I don't think she plans on seeing me for too much longer.
Thanks Lar
jenny
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 1, 2005, at 22:52:29
In reply to Re: Don't know what to make of this, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 16:04:16
Deneb,
I have a "crazy" suggestion. You said your doc is BIG on scrapbooks. Well, how about if you made her one of all your dark, scary feelings? Maybe then she would believe you and understand how you are feeling? You have to go back in a week or so to see her. It could be parts of your posts, pictures, words you have cut out to express yourself. Just an idea....
Also, forgive me for asking, but how old are you? I know you still live at home and your Mom is really worried about you. Could you tell your Mom you wanted to go in to talk to the doctor by yourself?
Take care,
MidnightBlue
Posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 23:16:08
In reply to Re: Don't know what to make of this » Deneb, posted by MidnightBlue on June 1, 2005, at 22:52:29
> I have a "crazy" suggestion. You said your doc is BIG on scrapbooks. Well, how about if you made her one of all your dark, scary feelings?
Hmmm...interesting idea. :-)
> Also, forgive me for asking, but how old are you? I know you still live at home and your Mom is really worried about you.
I'm embarrassed to say that I'm quite old. I'm 23, and I've never lived on my own before. I don't think my Mom ever wants me to move out...
:-(My sister was smart...she is nearly estranged from the family now (she's younger than me too!, but she doesn't have problems like I do).
>Could you tell your Mom you wanted to go in to talk to the doctor by yourself?
When the secretary called to confirm my appt, my Mom actually changed the time of it as well...then she told me about it and insisted on coming with me. I'm still treated as a child. :-(
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 1, 2005, at 23:31:53
In reply to Re: Don't know what to make of this » MidnightBlue, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 23:16:08
Deneb,
You are still quite young to me! LOL I have a daughter a few years older than you. Maybe your Mom is scared for you to leave because she isn't sure you are well enough to cope alone? Are you going to college? You sound quite smart to me.
I read in one of your other posts about your family's attitude toward mental illness. I hate that word. I think of it more as a biological brain disorder. My parents are the same way thinking it is a big stigma. If you ever find out about that burning paper thing let us know! That is a new one for me!
Maybe you should start work on your "scrapbook." Sometimes you have to speak someone else's language in order to be heard. :-)
Hugs,
MidnightBlue
Posted by rainbowbrite on June 2, 2005, at 10:13:21
In reply to Re: That's it, I've had enough *trigger* » rainbowbrite, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 18:30:48
> Perhaps...it's just so frustrating...it's like I speak another langauge and no one understands me or can soothe me.I can totally relate to that when I am feeling deoressed, it is hard for sure. Maybe you have already talked to your pdoc about this but could you ask her when she gets back if she could help you learn self soothing techniques.
> My p-doc just told me to pretend I was talking to her when I get upset. I don't know if seeing her has been productive for me...we never seem to have enough time to do much of anything during the appointments.umm yeah that doesnt seem too helpful to me either.
> My family doc told me to go for a walk when I get upset...to punch a pillow, garden and scrapbook. She kept telling me that I shouldn't rely on astronomy or basketball?? (I don't even play basketball) because they involve groups of people and I cannot do those things on the spur of the moment to calm myself.neither can I its hard to just make everything ok all of a sudden. I would avoid taking much of what you doctor suggests to heart. Family docs are not educated enough in mental health and from experience can often say the absolute worst thing and make you feel worse. Can you get a T as opposed to a pdoc?
>
> This is *very* hard for me to do. I don't think I've ever learned completely how to soothe and comfort myself. :-(I hope I didnt come accross like that was an easy thing to do, it isnt at all. And I know you are trying.
> Yes, sometimes...but my Mom is home all the time now...there is no privacy...she even came with me to my appointment today. So annoying.
>
How about putting your foot down about appointments and explaining that you are an adult and you need your space. Do you have a phone in your room? She must know you are struggling, maybe if you talk to your parents and explain that you are feling a little invaded and really need space from them sometimes??
> Yes, there's the Royal Ottawa Hospital close-by...but I get the feeling it is for "severe" cases....I mean, they even have criminals there! It is under some construction right now...being expanded and renovated entirely by some private company or something...I pass by it on the bus.
Would you consider calling them and asking for some info on treatment facilities etc. and pdocs?
>
>
Posted by rainbowbrite on June 2, 2005, at 10:21:40
In reply to Re: That's it, I've had enough *trigger* » rainbowbrite, posted by Deneb on June 1, 2005, at 18:30:48
I was just searching around and found something, Im babbling you a phone number for a place that may help...
Posted by rainbowbrite on June 5, 2005, at 21:01:15
In reply to sending you some info, posted by rainbowbrite on June 2, 2005, at 10:21:40
id be interested to know if it was useful or if you recieved the link and info?
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