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Posted by Tom Twilight on September 27, 2005, at 16:52:21
"Milk Protein Hydrolysate" thats a bit of a mouthfull, its supposed to be good for anxiety.
Is it helpful, or is it a waste of time like most (but not all) natural products?
Posted by nolvas on September 27, 2005, at 17:38:04
In reply to Has anyone tried Milk Protein Hydrolysate, posted by Tom Twilight on September 27, 2005, at 16:52:21
I haven't tried, it sounds interesting. I first read about it on this site a few months ago.
http://www.netriceuticals.com/articles.asp?id=16
I posted that site on an earlier thread here yesterday, there are other anxiolytic compounds listed there, but Milk Protein Hydrolysate is the one that stands out.
Here is a study that seems to indicate that it has an antistress effect..
Posted by Tom Twilight on September 28, 2005, at 15:58:08
In reply to Re: Has anyone tried Milk Protein Hydrolysate, posted by nolvas on September 27, 2005, at 17:38:04
Thanks Novarlis
I actually first heard about it on your link!
Phenibut is one of the few "alternative" anti-anxiety things I've tried.
Posted by nolvas on September 28, 2005, at 16:29:41
In reply to Alternative Anti-Anxiety products, posted by Tom Twilight on September 28, 2005, at 15:58:08
I've tried a long list of supplements to treat anxiety and so far Magnesium has been the best. Bacopa definitely has an effect but after a couple of days it seems to have an anxiety promoting effect or over stimulation. Phenibut I didn't like at all, less anxiety but felt very dizzy and it lasted for a few days, so I felt stoned for days. Not good.
I'm going to try Flaxseed Oil for a couple months to see if it helps with my avoidance anxiety, it's been found to have a beneficial effect in treating agoraphobia. It's worth a go.
Posted by verne on September 28, 2005, at 18:15:35
In reply to Re: Alternative Anti-Anxiety products, posted by nolvas on September 28, 2005, at 16:29:41
I found flaxseed oil to be somewhat stimulating, and even agitating.
I'm still looking for alternative remedies for anxiety. I often have a paradoxical reaction to sedating herbs like skullcap or valerian. Sometimes when I take something like a calcium/magnesium supplement it knocks me out, other times, my heart pounds, and I'm even more agitated.
Meditation is calming.
Verne
Posted by nolvas on September 28, 2005, at 20:04:38
In reply to Re: Alternative Anti-Anxiety products » nolvas, posted by verne on September 28, 2005, at 18:15:35
Omega 3 is contraindicated in Pyroluria, this condition causes high anxiety, Zinc, Vit B6 and Omega 6 levels are very low.
Omega 3 and 6 compete with each other. So if you believe in Pyroluria and the other sub types under-methylation and over-methylation, you may find you fit in the Pyroluria sub type and that actually taking Omega 6 along with Vit B6 and Zinc and not Omega 3 will help.
I plan to take Omega 3 and see if it worsens or improves my condition. I fit in to over-methylation and pyroluria sub types and these often overlap.
I am experimenting as all of us do when we take a substance, taking Omega 3 goes against the advice of treatment for pyroluria but is fine for over-methylation. Bacopa has an anti anxiety effect the first day or two that I take it and there after it becomes too stimulating. It can be quite a long process to try and determine what works beneficially.
Posted by Tom Twilight on September 29, 2005, at 7:23:30
In reply to Re: Alternative Anti-Anxiety products, posted by nolvas on September 28, 2005, at 16:29:41
Sorry Novalis, I got your name wrong,
Damn dyslexia!This is an interesting discusion but it illustrates how complicated this field is.
We all react so differently to thingsFor one thing I find magnesium makes me more anxious especially in high doses, and thought it was always calming!
Novalis didn't like Phenibut, but I like, when it worksSometimes I feel like giving up and just sticking to meds.
This Methylation thing is interesting
How do I tell if I'm over or under mephylated?All B vitamins make me more anxious apart from B2, does that indicate something?
Posted by nolvas on September 29, 2005, at 8:53:34
In reply to Re: Alternative Anti-Anxiety products, posted by Tom Twilight on September 29, 2005, at 7:23:30
The link I provided earlier in the thread helps you to determine whether you are under or over methylated by symptoms. Check the table at the top of the page in that link. There are other sites which list symptoms as well.
Orthomolecular nutritionalists/doctors such as Carl C. Pfeiffer, MD, PhD and Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD researched this stuff in the 1970's. Conventional Medicine doesn't accept fully their findings I believe. As usual there's always work to be done, but they had success treating people with mental disorders by using vitamins, nutrients etc.
Posted by Mistermindmasta on September 29, 2005, at 12:11:37
In reply to Re: Alternative Anti-Anxiety products, posted by Tom Twilight on September 29, 2005, at 7:23:30
> Sorry Novalis, I got your name wrong,
> Damn dyslexia!
>
> This is an interesting discusion but it illustrates how complicated this field is.
> We all react so differently to things
>
> For one thing I find magnesium makes me more anxious especially in high doses, and thought it was always calming!
> Novalis didn't like Phenibut, but I like, when it works
>
> Sometimes I feel like giving up and just sticking to meds.
>
> This Methylation thing is interesting
> How do I tell if I'm over or under mephylated?
>
> All B vitamins make me more anxious apart from B2, does that indicate something?Interesting that you find b vitamins make you more anxious, since I find to be the same with me. I cannot come up with any idea as to why this is so. Also, I find that magnesium in high doses makes me mentally slow (which makes me feel anxious), and sometimes shaky (similar to anxiety), and sometimes just kinda makes me feel depressive almost. Wonder why.
Posted by Declan on September 30, 2005, at 15:25:34
In reply to Has anyone tried Milk Protein Hydrolysate, posted by Tom Twilight on September 27, 2005, at 16:52:21
I took lactoferrin for a while. Is that the milk protein hydrolysate? I know lactoferrin is supposed to contain tryptophan or some such, it must be more than that. But what lactoferrin did for me was improve my gut function, better digestion, less wind etc. Supposed to be good for immunity. I stopped it because of the expense.
Declan
Posted by nolvas on September 30, 2005, at 18:54:26
In reply to Re: Has anyone tried Milk Protein Hydrolysate » Tom Twilight, posted by Declan on September 30, 2005, at 15:25:34
The trademark is Lactium >
Posted by tealady on October 3, 2005, at 1:15:59
In reply to Re: Has anyone tried Milk Protein Hydrolysate » Tom Twilight, posted by Declan on September 30, 2005, at 15:25:34
> I took lactoferrin for a while. Is that the milk protein hydrolysate? I know lactoferrin is supposed to contain tryptophan or some such, it must be more than that. But what lactoferrin did for me was improve my gut function, better digestion, less wind etc. Supposed to be good for immunity. I stopped it because of the expense.
> DeclanNo, don't think its the same as milk protein hydrolysate but my lactoferrin is from whey, I think..so it could be a part of it?
I've seen a lot of whey protein hydosylate and whey protein isolate..and actually I wouldn't mind if someone could explain me the difference :)
I know the isolate is the whey protein broken up into pieces ..like amino acid size maybe??Then there's whey protein concentate as well..which is the unbroken one I guess..but somehow concentrated??
The there's mixes of 2 or 3 of them. I was thinking of buying some last week when it was on special at GNC. Maybe next time when I understand it all better :)
In milk there's casein (cheese contain a lot I think ) and whey protein.
I'm not sure what else, or what would be in the milk protein hydrosylate.Jan
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