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Posted by Francesco on January 11, 2004, at 12:54:03
I have never taken fish oil on a regular basis because the first time I tried it it made me hypomaniac. A couple of days ago I started desipramine and fish oil too. I felt fine from the very first day and I thought it was desipramine. Yesterday I skipped fish oil and I felt bad. Today I felt bad until 6pm, then I decided to give fish oil another shot, and now I'm fine. So, did anybody have a similar response to fish oil ? Is it only in my mind ? Is there anybody who can explain me why fish oil enhance my mood almost instantly ? I don't know what to do with this damned fish oil, because I can't understand if, given my reactions, it's controindicated. Thanks for any comment, still looking for an explaination : )
Posted by john1022 on January 11, 2004, at 13:22:54
In reply to why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? , posted by Francesco on January 11, 2004, at 12:54:03
For some reason fish oil makes me feel absolutely terrible after I take it. It sends me into an extreme depression with a ton of anxiety hours after I take it. Same with fish. But I used to be able to eat fish with no problem in the past. I have been having the same reaction to antidepressants as well, whereas in the past they worked for me. I have no idea what is going on with me
Posted by taylor18 on January 12, 2004, at 0:25:29
In reply to why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? , posted by Francesco on January 11, 2004, at 12:54:03
I notice that my introversion vs. extroversion is shifted to the latter immediately after taking a decent dosage. I also slant more toward being grounded as opposed to imaginative and more positive vs. pessimistic.
Only after taking decent dosages consistenly for 2+ days do I notice significant mood-enhancing effects. It makes me feel "filled with happiness", joy, and Zoe :-)
I've been on and off fish oils many times, due to a variety of odd circumstances, however, the effects are generally the same every time.
Brands outside of Nature's Pharmaceuticals can give me an unhealthy stimulation. I go with the purity and potency of NP.
Unfortunately I'm out, and have been for a week or so.
Posted by Francesco on January 12, 2004, at 6:28:09
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? , posted by taylor18 on January 12, 2004, at 0:25:29
> I notice that my introversion vs. extroversion is shifted to the latter immediately after taking a decent dosage.
I have noticed the same thing ! I'm glad to hear this because I thought it was just in my mind.
> Only after taking decent dosages consistenly for 2+ days do I notice significant mood-enhancing effects. It makes me feel "filled with happiness", joy, and Zoe :-)
What do you mean by a decent dosage ? And why don't you take it on a regular basis given your reaction ?
Personally I'm scared about fish oil because I fear that it will makes me too high, but maybe it's just an irrational prejudice, that's the reason why I'm asking for experiences sharing : )
Posted by Emme on January 12, 2004, at 15:00:37
In reply to why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? , posted by Francesco on January 11, 2004, at 12:54:03
God question. How much are you guys taking? How much EPA and DHA?
Posted by Francesco on January 12, 2004, at 15:28:25
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? , posted by Emme on January 12, 2004, at 15:00:37
I have the liquid form (epa-dha ratio 2/1) and I usually take 2,5 g per day which is the standard dosage according to Barry Sears. Anyway, I'm not sure is doing anything or that if it does anything I will be able to notice since I'm taking also standard antidepressants. I'm curious to know if there are people who managed to do something useful with fish oil ... Yesterday evening I took it and I was buzzed and unconcentrated for a couple of hours in a very weird manner. Anyway, I don't think this is the effect is supposed to have ;-)
Posted by taylor18 on January 12, 2004, at 16:36:34
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? » Emme, posted by Francesco on January 12, 2004, at 15:28:25
>> Why don't you take it consistenly given your positive effects?
Circumstances. For instance, I got a fresh bottle last week, took it to a friends I was staying with for the weekend, and now it's lost. I haven't since ordered a new bottle. But I'm anxious to make it part of my daily regimen.
Posted by Emme on January 12, 2004, at 18:16:11
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? » Emme, posted by Francesco on January 12, 2004, at 15:28:25
> I have the liquid form (epa-dha ratio 2/1) and I usually take 2,5 g per day which is the standard dosage according to Barry Sears. Anyway, I'm not sure is doing anything or that if it does anything I will be able to notice since I'm taking also standard antidepressants. I'm curious to know if there are people who managed to do something useful with fish oil ... Yesterday evening I took it and I was buzzed and unconcentrated for a couple of hours in a very weird manner. Anyway, I don't think this is the effect is supposed to have ;-)
>
Thanks. It's hard for me to know if it's having any effect. I'm taking Nordic Naturals EPA formula and I'm getting 900 mg EPA and 200 mg DHA. Maybe more would be better? Even if I don't get much mood improvement, I am hoping it will benefit my hair.
Posted by noa on January 18, 2004, at 10:45:57
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? , posted by taylor18 on January 12, 2004, at 0:25:29
I guess I'm surprised to read that you feel an immediate difference after dosing. I didn't think fish oil acted that quickly.
My own experience is that after about 7-10 days, I noticed I felt less depressed.
Posted by Francesco on January 18, 2004, at 11:24:48
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ?, posted by noa on January 18, 2004, at 10:45:57
I don't know. Maybe it's just placebo effect. Glad to hear it's helping for you. How much fish oil do you take per day ?
Posted by noa on January 19, 2004, at 14:11:32
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? » noa, posted by Francesco on January 18, 2004, at 11:24:48
Equivalent of about 2 grams of EPA.
Posted by Althea8869 on January 28, 2004, at 23:35:49
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ?, posted by noa on January 19, 2004, at 14:11:32
For those interested, There is an excellent publication by Harvard University in conjuction with the Psychiatry department of Mass General that is a comprehensive guide to all the supplements that are commonly associated with psychological disorders and describes each in great detail along with recommended dosages. Many of the supplements are ones that I bet youve never heard of - and yet are proving extremely efficacious in treat unipolar/bipolar etc. Wish I could give you the name but I cant recall it now. You might check on Amazon et al. All I can tell you is, with regards to fish oils and DHA/EPA, the ratio configuration is critical. Equally important however is the brand of DHA/EPA you use. DHA form algea (Neuromins) is, in some cases, 500X more potent(in a good way) than the standard fishoil crap that everyone hears about. How many people know that depending on your particular disorder, genetic makeup - the the proprtion of DHA to EPA can vary significantly. How many know that supplementing with inositol powder (at a higher dose than is usually reccomended on the directions) can provide a more thorough relief from many mood disorders than nearly any medications out there (though it will take longer). I would take all this with a grain of salt, but I highly reccomend looking very deeply into some of the higher rated university/hospital publications that discuss these disorders.
Posted by Stryker88 on February 9, 2004, at 15:29:38
In reply to Re: why does fish oil always enhance my mood ? » taylor18, posted by Francesco on January 12, 2004, at 6:28:09
Is eating tuna daily considered fish oil
Posted by allye on February 9, 2004, at 18:40:35
In reply to Re: is tuna fish a good source of fish oil, posted by Stryker88 on February 9, 2004, at 15:29:38
> Is eating tuna daily considered fish oil
Yes, but unfortunately it's loaded in mercury which can cause dementia if regularly consumed even a few times a month. Canned has a less mercury than fresh tuna, but still has some. Salmon is a better choice. I feel much safer with a lab analyzed fish oil formula that doesn't contain mercury- will state on the label. Also, omega 3 plant sources- flax seed oil, walnuts are great.
Posted by getdown on February 10, 2004, at 19:21:23
In reply to Fish Oils - DHA EPA - Omega Fatty Acids » noa, posted by Althea8869 on January 28, 2004, at 23:35:49
> For those interested, There is an excellent publication by Harvard University in conjuction with the Psychiatry department of Mass General that is a comprehensive guide to all the supplements that are commonly associated with psychological disorders and describes each in great detail along with recommended dosages. Many of the supplements are ones that I bet youve never heard of - and yet are proving extremely efficacious in treat unipolar/bipolar etc. Wish I could give you the name but I cant recall it now. You might check on Amazon et al.
Hi Althea8869,
I've done an extensive search on the net and on amazon based on your hints, but was't able to find that book.
I only came up with a course by Harvard Medical School held in 2003 "Natural Remedies for Psychiatric Disorders: Considering the Alternatives",
and with this list of books on that topic: http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/bookstore.htm
Since your description of that book sounds very interesting I'll be happy if you could give some more hints, if you recall something more.
Sorry for my english, writing from Italy
Posted by Althea8869 on February 10, 2004, at 22:17:02
In reply to Re: Fish Oils - DHA EPA - Omega Fatty Acids » Althea8869, posted by getdown on February 10, 2004, at 19:21:23
Yeah- i looked online too but couldnt find it. However, as I mentioned I got all this info from a family friend who teaches at Harvard&MIT specifically in psychopharmacology and I'll be able to get it, or at least find out what its called so we can get our hands on it. I'll post you when I get it.
As i mentioned before, this guys a real hoot. His CV is about as incredible as you can imagine. Prior director of WHO, been teaching pharmacology since prozac came out....ANA you will never meet anyone who is more pro-supplements for neurological disorders. He genuinely believes (though Im not there yet) that the proper selection of supplements will provide more levels in remission than any med out there - although this solution takes far more time in almost all cases - he believes inositol is the acception - at correct dosages. And the best part is, there might only be a handful of people on the planet that would be in any position to argue with him.
Anyhoo sorry to rattle on - i'll look for the book.
Posted by Karen Moore on February 21, 2004, at 1:03:36
In reply to Re: Fish Oils - DHA EPA - Omega Fatty Acids, posted by Althea8869 on February 10, 2004, at 22:17:02
I'm guessing you're talking about Andrew Stoll? He wrote a book called the "Omega-3 Connection"?
Here's a good link from last months "Current Pyschiatry" journal:
http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/2004_01/0104_omega-3_fatty_acids.asp
Results are promising but very mixed. I understand there was a recent update in the Harvard Review, anyone see it yet?KM
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