Posted by confuzyq on July 21, 2007, at 10:58:53
In reply to Do you get Paula's bulletin? » Glydin, posted by Racer on July 17, 2007, at 11:44:56
Hi Racer, for a combo moisturizer & sunscreen, or moisturizer alone, I wanted to recommend the Kinerase line. From what I know, Kinerase is one of the few products besides Retin-A/tretinoin (latter by prescription only) that has solid objective scientific research behind its ability to go deep enough to turn cells over, permanently improve fine lines & blotchiness, etc. (You can read about it at their own site, kinerase.com, or many unrelated unbiased sources to be sure.) It's expensive but one tube lasts me quite a long time.
Unlike tretinoin (generic, cheaper, active ingredient in Retin-A), while Kinerase works slower, it also doesn't cause peeling, redness or any of that initial stuff. Gentle enough to be used immediately after surgeries like laser resurfacing, and sometimes specifically prescribed for conditions like rosacea. The products come in cream or lotion form -- I use the lotion, as I don't need extra moisturization, and the lotion feels light and definitely non-greasy yet isn't too thin.
I think it's been proven that moisturizers in themselves do not do anything to permanently improve/prevent; that they only make the skin LOOK smoother, especially under makeup. On the other hand there is another lesser-heard theory that if the skin is left tight and that causes a line, it will be more likely to become permanent over time than if moisturizer was on it keeping it soft. That's neither here nor there really, but the point is that I like using Kinerase as my moisturizer since I know it's doing double duty, by not only immediately improving the look of the skin but going deeper to produce actual positive changes.
Digression: because you mentioned occasionally reading Paula the cosmetic cop's reviews, I couldn't resist having a look at what she had to say about Kinerase, even tho long ago I came to the conclusion that while she comes off intelligent and "scientific," she is IMHO highly biased and there to push her own products. In her passing reference to Kinerase she seems to dismiss it, saying that the active ingredient in it, kinetin, was originally so hyped and expensive but is now even available at Body Shop and Almay for cheap. But the fact is that the knock off products don't have near the same concentration of it that Kinerase does. And I don't see her "superior" products ("Paula's Choice" brand, what might that tell us lol) making it onto the shelves of thousands of skin specialist doctors and surgeons nation or world wide. ;-)
Anyway. Kinerase is sold at many dermatologist's and plastic surgeon's offices, or can be found at online stores (I would never order something like this from eBay though). Here is a link to a site I have ordered from many times. If they aren't currently offering free shipping, often you can surf for a coupon. The line has expanded greatly since it first came out, but I've only tried the plain original face lotion.http://www.skinstore.com/store/category.asp?catID=7612
Another digression, and in a different category (most definitely not a sunscreen, and not a moisturizer per se, altho it improves skin's ability to hold "good" beneficial moisture, as opposed to oil): For general skin improvement, I was left speechless at how much tretinoin changed my skin. *EVERYONE* noticed. Even my derm was blown away, and she hadn't even been the one who prescribed it for me; along with other of my docs. And for the first time ever I get compliments on my skin even from strangers. All that, even as a former long-time sun worshipper and still-smoker, "of a certain age."
A lot of people don't realize this, but you *can* put it all the way to the lash lines of your eyes, to smooth and tighten the eyelid skin too. Heck, you can even put it on your lower arms, legs, chest, etc. if you have sun damage there. But in that case, only a couple times a week, in the lower concentration product. Strangely, it is more likely to cause irritation in those places than face.
For my face, actually I began by using the Obagi "Nu-Derm" program, which combines tretinoin, hydroquinone (skin "bleach") and an AHA/glycolic acid. Also available at many doc's offices. (To keep the cost of it down, you could really stick to just those three products out of the line.) But now I pretty much just use .05% tretinoin several times per week, and am way beyond any of the initial side effects of peeling, etc.
Anyone who wishes to skip the initial peelies & irritation may want to stick with that lower strength from the start.
(Dang I did not expect this post to become so long! But I should know better. ;)
> I don't read it all the time, but I do get Paula Burch's beauty bulletin. She's the CosmeticsCop site, and has reviews of a lot of different products. http://cosmeticscop.com/default.asp
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> I don't always agree with her -- she said my powder wasn't worth the money, and I strongly disagree -- but it's often interesting. I just tried a new sunscreen based on her review -- although, I'm not sure I'm loving it...
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> (And if you have a recommendation for a good sunscreen/moisturizer, by all means pass it this way!)
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> My motto is, "When the going gets tough, the tough wear make up." Works for me!
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