Posted by Vincent_QC on April 16, 2009, at 14:54:01
In reply to Re: Gym ( fitness) and cardio exercise = Panic attacks, posted by desolationrower on April 15, 2009, at 13:25:42
> i think it might be worth trying an ace inhibitor or ARB instead of beta-blocker
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> also have you tried meditation. it probably would help with the breathing and physical sensations
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> -d/rHi d/r,
Hummm... I prefer to wait to see if the Marplan will be approaved for me, if so, I can't mix an ace inhibitor or an ARB with a MAOI, by ARB you mean meds like Avapro, for people who cant take the ace?Why I should talk to my Family Doctor about the Sabril (Vigabatrin), I see him next monday morning. The Vigabatrin is in the same family of the lyrica or Gabapentin...but have another mechanism of action...it have a strong blocking panic attack effect...yes, that's a anti-seizure medecine, yes it can give weight gain and cause tons of side-effects...but that's seem to work well for blocking the panic attack (work on the NDMA receptors...I don't remember exactly the whole process of this med) but that's seem to be good no?
The benzo option for me is no no for now... Valium30mg...when things will be more stable in my life I will withdrawh it slowly...
I go slow on the cardio...I try to explain how I was feeling to the trainer last night again, he say to stick to the 30 minutes of bike cause the muscles exercises are also a lot hard for the cardio and I need to do both.
I return for the third evening last night and at the end I was exhausted, but it take less time to recover after, I feeled lighthead and dizness less time after...1 hour... my ears become all reds and I sweat a lot from my "hands"...strange...anyway...out of breath also but probably related to cigarettes...
I try to do 3 sets of 7 minutes, separeted with muscles exercises period, instead of 10 minutes divided in 3 sets... that's more good than nothing at all.
I also figure out that the trainer never explain to me what kind of stretch exercises I have to do before...and also don't show me how and when to breath, especially for the muscles exercises...(breathing and inspire).
I also know now that if I chew a gum, my pain in the head is worst while I exercise and after. Probably a nervous tic that I have...I Tend to do strange mouvements with my jaw... I especially do this when i'm nervous so with a gum that's worst...
I also need to calm down, even if the trainer want me to do more... I just begin... I cannot became mister muscles and be in good health in 1 week...It will be a long process so I do what I can do, if I want to take 10 minutes of break because I feel weak and lightheat I will take it... that's my body... I still believe that's better than stay inside my house and doing nothing... I go there, I pratice my social exposure in a situation that I don't like (tons of cute guys, i'm gay remember...lol), music, TV's, noise, birght light, everything so make this place a nightmare for someone with social phobia and panic attack with agoraphobia...I have no place there to calm me down, it's full of people, even in the lockerroom...
I have also to learn to be less shy in the lockerroom...that's a lot for me... Avoiding the lockerroom and the shower will just worse my problem, just like avoiding the bike, I just need to learn to cope with the adrenaline effect...
For the muscles, I recover more faster also...had terrible pain lasting for 2 - 3 hours after and when I go to the bed and wake up in the morning that's number one...some pain in the left legs and arms...probably more weak then the right ones... but that's ok...
Anyway, I have the proof now that I will not die of an heart attack, that's purely a panic trouble related to social environement and the heart.
Tonight I return...I meet the nutritionist girl...we will work the part of the "eat well"...trying to avoid the "spring boulimia symptoms I live each year by doing strict proteine diet...I need to try to eat healthy, I will loose more slowly the pounds but will not gain it after like I do each fall and winter... and since i'm returning into the AD world that's worst because all the meds tend to make me eat more...or just tend to make me fat without eating more... that's a tons of bad habits that I have to break... I also have an appointment with the trainer after from 7:30 to 8:30...
Physical exercise will not be a funny part of my recover, but i'm sure it will help, since my problem is not a depression to start it but a social phobia and a panic attack with agoraphobia problem, it tend to make the whole process of finding a good med and having a good lifestyle more hard...
Well enought for today... I'm sure you understand me....
You are so nice for your help, I appreciate it and I hope you believe me when I write this ;-)
Take care of you d/r ;-)
Bye!
Vincent ;-)
PS: Relaxation techniques...I had some courses of that in one of my group therapy... I was unable to do mental imagery or relaxation at the time, maybe I should try it a second time... I just remember the technique of how to breath (deep breathing and count 1,2,3,4,5 and after inspire for 5 seconds...do this 5 times...that's help me a little bit sometimes, especially after a panic attack of before a stressfull event like social exposure...
This message also apply to the person who answer after... I 100% agree with you...we are all different... no med fit to everyone...health is something very important...and I know I neglect mine for a long time... but I can't also stop all the bad habits I have at the same time, I stop the coffee...I just begin the gym, next step will be trying to eat more healthy food...and after stop smooking...why the cigarrettes at the end? Well, because smooking is a kind of AD drug...stop smooking now will just make me more depress and jump into the bad food or worse... I tend to wanting to change everything at the same time and I always give up everything...this time I will do it step by step, anyway I already lost 2 years of my life, so add another year to recover or more time will not be worse, I have to cope with everything I live and accept the fact that I will not be at 100% top shape in 1 month...
For now, I try to learn the whole process of "psyshological resilence , I have a good wenlink about this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_resilience
One of my PDoc talk to me about this...I have to find a book about it...
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