Posted by Vincent_QC on April 15, 2009, at 6:34:24
In reply to Re: Gym ( fitness) and cardio exercise = Panic attacks, posted by desolationrower on April 14, 2009, at 11:17:42
> i'm not sure what you mean when you type a blood pressure and heart rate like "#-#-#" maybe saying "Bp:#/#, HR:#" would clarify.
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> I think what you experience physically is normal. Some things like high level of CO2 in body cause panic attacks, but they are normal event during exercise. One of the benefits of exercise on anxiety is that you get used to these physical events, to heart pumping loudly and breathing a lot. but you get to realize its normal so you stop associating it with fear, and just see it as normal and not something to focus on. probably not endorphins though, more adrenaline/noradrenaline, cortisol, etc.
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> its normal when first starting to exercise, especially if out of shape, smoker, etc. the more you exercise, the more your body will be able to recover quickly from the exertion. its not dangerous, unless you go all out right now when you are out of shape. first few weeks, don't try to do sprints or see how fast you can go, just break a sweat and get your breathing going a bit, i think your coach would have mentioned that. its very unhealthy not to exercise.
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> keep in mind, people with social anxiety don't actually have greater increase in heart beat or things like that in public, they are just more aware of changes in their body: it is a problem of attention/focus. you are just hyperaware of body reacting in normal ways. like people with anxiety think about what they say and think to themselves "oh that joke wasn't funny, everyone knows i'm boring" when person w/o isn't focused on that, they focus on the conversationa nd other person and don't think about these worries.
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> so if you are out of shape, your heart can't recover well, and you feel tired and like you are still exercising all day, but after fitness level improves, after 5 mintes of rest from aerobic exercise you feel fine and relaxed because ability to recover is much better.
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> anyway hope you don't give up, what you experience is normal, and part of why many people get stuck in situation where they don't work out, whereas people who do exercise a lot wonder why other have so much trouble. don't try to become olympian all in one week, but keep at it.
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> -d/rHi d/r!!!
You're right, as always... adrenaline/noradrenaline, cortisol is probably the problem here. And yes, I have to get used to.That's a new universe for me, a new place to go, tons of people I don't know, I probably just have to take more deep breath, since I tend to just take small breath or forget to breath... and of course, I have a problem of attention/focus and i'm hyperaware of my body reacting in normal ways, I will have to get used to that also.
The proof, I go last night again, even if I don't sleep a lot the night before, even if I had pain in my head, even if I was feeling anxious...and I See the difference, the weird sensation last after only 30 minutes... I think the more often I will go there, and the more faster I will get used of... also, I will have to cool down on the Valium before I go there, that's not helping me, that's probably make me less in shape to do physical exercises...proably a part of the dizness feeling... Anyway, yes today I feel tired, I don't sleep a lot again, probably because I go to late to the gym... get out of there around 9:45PM... This morning i'm ok...more better than yesterday...
IF I was able to go there last night, with the pain, the stress, the no sleep and the headache and do my whole programm (I just cut half of my bike time and try different machines for muscles that are not in my exercises work programm), I will be able certainly to return there and it's a proof that your theory about the ability to recover will be much better with time is true...
For the blood pressure, I mean BP of 140-145/80-90 , double numbers because that's in that range always... The HR is 90-100 at rest....another time, double numbers because it's in that range also...
Anyway, I will ask for some Inderall, since I was on it before (GAD and SAD and panic attack) but at a too low dosage (80mg/day at the time)... It was good to lower my blood pressure and reduce my migraines...but I stop it because of the no effect on the anxiety or the prevention of the panic attacks. Maybe a dose around 120 mg will help me more, since at the time I didn't had high blood pressure, it will be a more good reason to take it again...
Anyway, thanks again d/r...as usual, you find out what was the problem and I feel more well and you help me a lot!
Have a nice day ;-)
Vincent ;-)
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