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Posted by la-la-sexy on May 21, 2006, at 15:57:13
i know that the legal age of consent in Canada is 14...but can a 14 year old and a 17 year old have consentual sex???
Posted by yxibow on May 21, 2006, at 15:57:13
In reply to legal age, posted by la-la-sexy on May 21, 2006, at 1:11:57
> i know that the legal age of consent in Canada is 14...but can a 14 year old and a 17 year old have consentual sex???
This seems like a troll clearly in the wrong forum. Probably in Canada, yes if I recall their laws. Someone move this.
Posted by Estella on May 21, 2006, at 15:57:13
In reply to Re: legal age » la-la-sexy, posted by yxibow on May 21, 2006, at 3:06:10
you never know...
i think it is nicer to give people the benefit of the doubt...
Posted by Estella on May 21, 2006, at 15:57:13
In reply to legal age, posted by la-la-sexy on May 21, 2006, at 1:11:57
> i know that the legal age of consent in Canada is 14...but can a 14 year old and a 17 year old have consentual sex???
how come you are asking?
i guess 'consent' is a legal term...
but there are other things that can undermine consent...
Posted by fca on May 21, 2006, at 15:57:14
In reply to Re: legal age » la-la-sexy, posted by Estella on May 21, 2006, at 8:59:00
I do not know about Canada but in Ohio it is not legal for a 14 year old girl and 17 year old boy to have consensul sex--I think the cut off for a 14 year old is with a partner under 16. As noted, legal, consensual, and "is it a good idea" are very different things. I am also curious why you are asking the question and how you happen to post on this Board
Posted by naughtypuppy on May 21, 2006, at 15:57:14
In reply to Re: legal age, posted by fca on May 21, 2006, at 12:23:32
The Canadian government is supposed to introduce a bill to raise the age of consent to 16 except when both parties are within a few years. As it stands now, the age is 14 unless the older party is in a position of authority such as a teacher. It probably doesn't matter what bill they pass anyway as the unelected, unaccountable supreme court, who are actually the ones who run this country will do what ever they want anyway. They recently ruled that it violated a man's constitutional rights when he was charged with indecent exposure when he was caught masturbating in front of his living room window with the children across the street looking on. Judge Judy for supreme court!!!
Posted by yxibow on May 21, 2006, at 15:57:14
In reply to Re: legal age, posted by Estella on May 21, 2006, at 8:57:04
> you never know...
>
> i think it is nicer to give people the benefit of the doubt...
>
>That's not the point... it has nothing to do with medication, side effects, psychiatry, or anything. It is someone's question about whether two Canadian minors who are above the Canadian law of consent, which is 14, which is correct, can have sexual intercourse. The answer is probably, yes, if I recall their laws -- but it doesn't belong on this part of the board, the psycho babble part, if it belongs on any part. And that's not a moralistic statement, its just a neutral comment.
- tidings
Posted by Kath on May 21, 2006, at 17:19:55
In reply to Re: legal age, posted by naughtypuppy on May 21, 2006, at 12:43:18
Our country & it's "constitutional rights" drives me crazy! Also 'slap-on-the-wrist' punishments for serious crimes.
Aside from that - I agree with WHY is that being posted here?
Kath
The Canadian government is supposed to introduce a bill to raise the age of consent to 16 except when both parties are within a few years. As it stands now, the age is 14 unless the older party is in a position of authority such as a teacher. It probably doesn't matter what bill they pass anyway as the unelected, unaccountable supreme court, who are actually the ones who run this country will do what ever they want anyway. They recently ruled that it violated a man's constitutional rights when he was charged with indecent exposure when he was caught masturbating in front of his living room window with the children across the street looking on. Judge Judy for supreme court!!!
Posted by lost_and_delerious on May 21, 2006, at 18:28:19
In reply to Re: legal age » naughtypuppy, posted by Kath on May 21, 2006, at 17:19:55
seriously it could have been posted because as a 14 year old there's is less communication between any other social parties in their lives they have a computer screen to look at and to interact with when they have no one else as many other people are doing on other areas of this site...so she may just be scared of a situation that she is in and this is her way of expressing it that is why it remained on a forum board.
Personally to whoever she is it is legal but I'd think a lot about what you are doing and what you are possibly getting yourself into...but the time he is 18 he is an adult and will have different laws applied to him and different things will happen to him if you are still 14 at the time.If the person happens to be someone being a troll on the site, they have just got the better of all your agressions and anger.
Everyone writes for a purpose.
Posted by Phillipa on May 21, 2006, at 21:05:31
In reply to Re: legal age, posted by lost_and_delerious on May 21, 2006, at 18:28:19
Well if they're a troll we'll know soon enough. We're smarter than they are. Love Phillipa
Posted by verne on May 21, 2006, at 22:00:07
In reply to legal age, posted by la-la-sexy on May 21, 2006, at 1:11:57
This may help. I found this site: http://www.web.ca/clgro/consent.htm
The age of consent in Canada is 14 years of age with one notable exception:
"It is illegal to have sex with a person under 18 if you are in a position of trust of authority, or responsible in a relationship of dependence, with them. This applies to teachers, lifeguards, coaches, guardians, social workers, childcare workers, babysitters, etc., whether or not they are under 18 themselves. It doesn't matter whether they are male or female."
Unless these special circumstances apply, consensual sex between a 14 and 17 year old would be legal.
Verne
Posted by verne on May 21, 2006, at 22:29:49
In reply to Re: legal age » la-la-sexy, posted by verne on May 21, 2006, at 22:00:07
I just realized the link I provided above is a 1998 pamphlet.
After more searching, I discovered that the current prime minister has vowed to raise the age of consent to at least 16. Some legislators are asking for 18.
Check out this April 2006 reference: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/apr/06042001.html
and from another source, "Opposition has argued that if the age of consent is raised, the close in age exception for these older children must be broadened, perhaps to include within the exception consensual sexual activity between children who are three or even four years apart."
The proposed bill, as it stands, would make it illegal for a 17 year old to have consensual sex with even a 16 year old! That's why there's so much debate concerning the "close in age exception", and to have it included and broadened in the new law.
This bill may likely pass in some form. Not being Canadian I don't know how long it takes to typically pass legislation. It seems like there's quite a debate. Lot's of good reasons from both sides. Your situation could be affected by the outcome.
Verne
Posted by B2chica on May 22, 2006, at 11:21:22
In reply to legal age, posted by la-la-sexy on May 21, 2006, at 1:11:57
> i know that the legal age of consent in Canada is 14...but can a 14 year old and a 17 year old have consentual sex???
could this be a philisophical question?
can a 14yr old truly 'consent' to sex?
my personal opinion is probably not. at 16 i'd say yes. but 14 is just so tender that i don't know.
others asked is it legal (apparently yes), consent (technically yes), is it a good idea (mostly likely no) even biologically. the body of a 14 year old (boy or girl) is still going through many changes.
i'd say relax and just give it some time. if the older person really cares they will wait. if they don't, they just wanted a piece and would you really want to 'give it up' to someone like that?
Posted by yxibow on May 22, 2006, at 13:58:19
In reply to Re: legal age, posted by B2chica on May 22, 2006, at 11:21:22
> > i know that the legal age of consent in Canada is 14...but can a 14 year old and a 17 year old have consentual sex???
>
> could this be a philisophical question?
> can a 14yr old truly 'consent' to sex?
> my personal opinion is probably not. at 16 i'd say yes. but 14 is just so tender that i don't know.
> others asked is it legal (apparently yes), consent (technically yes), is it a good idea (mostly likely no) even biologically. the body of a 14 year old (boy or girl) is still going through many changes.
> i'd say relax and just give it some time. if the older person really cares they will wait. if they don't, they just wanted a piece and would you really want to 'give it up' to someone like that?
All good arguments. I have found, though this is many years in my past, that (when I was younger) and had younger friends in Canada, because of a difference in social stratification, youth tended to grow up faster than their counterparts in the US. For one thing, alternating provinces and territories have 18 or 19 as their drinking age. Sexual consent, yes, technically has been 14 as long as I can remember. Whether someone knows enough about sexuality at that age depends largely on their individual maturity and the morals of the country. Until our values started pervading into the Canadian landscape, urban centres in Canada were more progressive and less inhibitory than those in the states. That in itself doesn't mean naivete doesn't exist, but the cultural values are different. 14 -- maybe a bit too young from a US standpoint, but who is to say it is from a Canadian one. I think perhaps 16 is a more mature age on par with its heritage in England, but these of course are slippery slopes, with as pointed out making 16 and 17 illegal. Some places have laws that allow 2 year differences in age at that juncture to prevent such a waste of court time.-- tidings
Posted by B2chica on May 22, 2006, at 14:20:32
In reply to Re: legal age » B2chica, posted by yxibow on May 22, 2006, at 13:58:19
hey yxibow.
very good point. i agree different cultures make the difference. in many cultures marriage happens at 14/15. and is more than culturally acceptable. i think it definately has to do with family values/cultures and maturity. i think mostly in the US it is 18 but i must say that most of my friends were having sex way before then and honestly though some of their decisions were hastey i think the decision could be made and should be made by that person.
and ya, i've heard the 2 year age difference too. unfortunately i think (for example) if there is a 16 yr girl and an 18 yr boy that boy is still able to serve jail time for statutory rape since he is over 18 and she is not (please tell me if i'm understanding that incorrectly), even though there are only 2 years difference, she is still under 18. i just wish there was a better way to work through this because i think there are a lot of guys out there that get pegged as 'sex offenders' because of this law.(see example above).
however, there are 19 year olds that 'prey' on those under 18 and should be able to convict them.
so i think this is a sketchy area all together.no more thoughts on this subject. but good points all around.
good input.
Posted by milly on May 22, 2006, at 14:38:59
In reply to Re: legal age » yxibow, posted by B2chica on May 22, 2006, at 14:20:32
am i being dense?
millyThe only troll i know (and not personally) lives under a bridge in three billy goats gruff
Posted by B2chica on May 22, 2006, at 15:49:14
In reply to what is a troll?, posted by milly on May 22, 2006, at 14:38:59
a troll is someone who comes in and posts purposefully rude, hateful or fight provoking things. specifically to antagonize persons.
(their whole purpose is to p@ss one off).
Posted by Kath on May 22, 2006, at 16:27:14
In reply to Re: what is a troll? » milly, posted by B2chica on May 22, 2006, at 15:49:14
I'm a Canadian - Ontario north of Toronto and believe me, I cannot think of ONE 14-year-old who, in my opinion, is mature enough to do a LOT of things & one of those things is to have sex.
Probably a lot of them THINK they're mature enough to "like" do "like ya know" ANYthing "like"....yes, there are still kids who speak like that!
From my observations, children & 'young people' receive tons of pressure to 'grow up', to views themselves as sex objects & in particular to be sexually active. Companies use sex to market everything from deodorant to T-shirts & shoes. I feel really sorry for kids growing up these days & I think they should be encouraged to wait to be sexual. They need to know that it's OKAY to wait, if not downright PREFERABLE to wait.
Kath
PS - my 22 year old son & his 23 year old girlfriend (that's another story on another post) both are appalled by the attitudes of the 'next generation' behind them. In that generation it seems it's not only cool to be sexually active, but cool to sleep around (whether you're a guy or a girl). I hope it's only a certain crowd, but my son & gfriend say that it's really, really sad the pressure on younger kids & the fact that they're buying into it.
K
Posted by verne on May 22, 2006, at 16:27:16
In reply to Re: what is a troll? » milly, posted by B2chica on May 22, 2006, at 15:49:14
I think "LaLaSexy" was just asking a legitimate question. I don't know why it provoked hostility and the question of troll ancestry.
verne
P.S. if you start talking about trolls, you're messing with my family.
Posted by milly on May 22, 2006, at 16:28:49
In reply to Re: what is a troll? » milly, posted by B2chica on May 22, 2006, at 15:49:14
Posted by ed_uk on May 22, 2006, at 16:36:21
In reply to legal age, posted by la-la-sexy on May 21, 2006, at 1:11:57
I don't know. The age of consent is 16 in the UK - which includes gay people.
What is the age of consent in the US?
Ed
Posted by yxibow on May 22, 2006, at 16:36:22
In reply to Re: legal age, posted by ed_uk on May 22, 2006, at 13:16:54
> I don't know. The age of consent is 16 in the UK - which includes gay people.
>
> What is the age of consent in the US?
>
> EdIt varies by state (we can redirect this to the other board) and is a hodgepodge of ridiculous mismatched laws going as low as I think marriage ages of 12 or 14, but definately not for homosexuality. It is generally 18. There are a about 3 odd states where some consent (e.g. porn or who knows what set of wierd consent) is 21.
Posted by gardenergirl on May 22, 2006, at 17:03:33
In reply to Re: what is a troll?, posted by verne on May 22, 2006, at 16:27:16
> >
> P.S. if you start talking about trolls, you're messing with my family.Hmmm, mine too. They live in the lower peninsula of Michigan, or as the Yooper's (upper peninsula folks) say, "under the bridge". Heck, now that I think about it, I was born a "troll".
:)
Good to see you here, verne.
gg
Posted by TexasChic on May 22, 2006, at 19:56:46
In reply to Re: legal age » la-la-sexy, posted by yxibow on May 21, 2006, at 3:06:10
Just to let you know, Dr. Bob frowns on calling people 'trolls' even when its really really warranted. I've seen people get in trouble for it even in the most deserving situations. Besides, the very best way to deal with a troll is to ignore them. If someone starts posting a bunch of offensive stuff and no one responds, they'll go somewhere else more 'fun'.
-T
P.S. I'm not saying I think this is a troll.
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 23, 2006, at 0:10:34
In reply to Re: legal age » yxibow, posted by TexasChic on May 22, 2006, at 19:56:46
This is the end of the thread.
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