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Posted by Cam W. on October 2, 2001, at 8:36:33
In reply to Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 1:31:22
...you are saying that they're dogma should be run over by our karma.
- Cam
Posted by Willow on October 2, 2001, at 9:53:59
In reply to In other words...., posted by Cam W. on October 2, 2001, at 8:36:33
> ...you are saying that they're dogma should be run over by our karma.
Cam are you becoming a philosopher?
I had a nice reply written and lost it, hence my foul language.
Here's a shorter version. All people or beings with bad karma should come back as trees. This would halp them to learn how helpful they could be and how dependant they are on other beings. And the slower the learner the more hardy species they would become.
Myself I toyed with the idea of coming back as a wind, but it was too exhausting. I settled for a rock. No emotions. Just an eternity of observing.
Wilting Willow
ps i would work my way into Someone's shoe. they could shake me loose but then i would get stuck in their sock just to be thrown to the mercy of their vacuume which would fling me off again and the cycle would repeat
Posted by sar on October 2, 2001, at 10:48:24
In reply to Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 1:31:22
velvet underground cd's
Posted by susan C on October 2, 2001, at 11:31:28
In reply to Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 1:31:22
and here I was feeling self conscious about hogging...
bad doctors should come back as flies and I will swat at them with my semi truck with bad steering.
bad doctors should come back as patients who have obvious symptoms that never get better and have the doctor tossing and turning in bed all night
bad doctors in their life now will need to follow their own advice.
bad doctors when they go buy their luxury car will be dealt with by a car sales man that looks like (see above) who the doctor is convinced will make enough off the dr's purchase of one car to retire for the rest of his life because he lives in a trailer home in a trailer park.
mouse wandering the medical school halls
susan C
Posted by Mair on October 2, 2001, at 17:06:16
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by susan C on October 2, 2001, at 11:31:28
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Posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 17:31:50
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Mair on October 2, 2001, at 17:06:16
Toll booth attendants?
Posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 18:51:45
In reply to Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 1:31:22
Hey now.....
I'm a cocktail waitress!!! Hmmmmm... little insult here? I think bad doctors should be reincarnated as a ..... my mind doesn't even go that far down.
I had a surgeon leave a cloth inside of me after a surgery. Deformed. Thanks to that doc... so good idea..... bring her to my level.... a waitresss.
> It's been awhile since we've had one of Susan's lists and I've been missing them. I just posted something on the other board that made me think about the merits of good doctors and then, by extension, of what should happen to the NOT good ones. So keep in mind this is only about those hopefully rare, but always memorable, bad ones. The ignorant, arrogant, belittling ones. What reincarnation would best allow them to atone for their shortcomings in this life?
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> In my opinion Bad doctors should be reincarnated as
> Bar waitresses
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Posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 18:53:40
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 17:31:50
> Toll booth attendants?
I really think we ought to stay away from actual occupations some people may have.
Posted by Mair on October 2, 2001, at 21:52:14
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as.... » Jane D, posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 18:53:40
Posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 22:19:43
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as.... » Jane D, posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 18:53:40
In defense to myself.... I used to be a supervisor at IBM... worked about 60 hrs. a week and brought home about $400. I'm a cocktail waitress in Las Vegas.... just looked at my W2 to make sure.... $91,000 last year. Not so bad for a waitress huh? Could be the location, I'm in Las vegas.... but I think it's kind of SMART. What I do for a living... and what I make. Sorry, I do.
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Posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 22:27:34
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as- Jane, posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 18:51:45
> Hey now.....
> I'm a cocktail waitress!!! Hmmmmm... little insult here? I think bad doctors should be reincarnated as a ..... my mind doesn't even go that far down.Kristi - No offense intended. But wasn't it you that posted about the difficulties of going to work and having to smile no matter what? I've held jobs like that and hated them. I wasn't suggesting that these jobs were demeaning - just that they can be very difficult. Especially for someone as arrogant as some of the doctors we've described.
But if you just want to go for torture instead of occupations:
They should be reincarnated as a 5 yr olds pet hamster.
Posted by susan C on October 2, 2001, at 22:30:38
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 22:19:43
And, you didn't have to go to school for 9 years to get the papers for the alphabet after your name and have all that responsibility
BTW, I will have a virgin margarita please, in the no smoking section..Thanks...8;o)
mouse out on the town
susan CIn defense to myself.... I used to be a supervisor at IBM... worked about 60 hrs. a week and brought home about $400. I'm a cocktail waitress in Las Vegas.... just looked at my W2 to make sure.... $91,000 last year. Not so bad for a waitress huh? Could be the location, I'm in Las vegas.... but I think it's kind of SMART. What I do for a living... and what I make. Sorry, I do.
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Posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 22:43:57
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as.... » Kristi, posted by susan C on October 2, 2001, at 22:30:38
Actually I did.... the Supervisor IBM job entailed a masters degree from Penn state.
> And, you didn't have to go to school for 9 years to get the papers for the alphabet after your name and have all that responsibility
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> In defense to myself.... I used to be a supervisor at IBM... worked about 60 hrs. a week and brought home about $400. I'm a cocktail waitress in Las Vegas.... just looked at my W2 to make sure.... $91,000 last year. Not so bad for a waitress huh? Could be the location, I'm in Las vegas.... but I think it's kind of SMART. What I do for a living... and what I make. Sorry, I do.
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Posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 22:57:29
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 22:19:43
> In defense to myself.... I used to be a
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Las vegas.... but I think it's kind of SMART. What I do for a living... and what I make. Sorry, I do.You don't need to defend yourself. Believe it or not I started with that job because I thought that it didn't have any negative connotations that could offend someone. My mistake. I was envisioning the waitresses at one specific bar and I didn't think of it as demeaning them. Cocktail isn't a word ever heard there. I hope they make what you do - they certainly earn it - but I really doubt it. And they have to be nice to people who don't deserve it, not let their personal problems show at work, and they have to deal with not being in complete control of everyone around them all the time while not getting out of control themselves. And that last is the part that I think would particularly trip up some doctors.
But - the money's too good. With the rise of the HMO's it might even be a raise for some doctors so I think we should agree that they cannot be Las Vegas cocktail waitresses unless they've been very good doctors. I still think a stint at my neighborhood bar would be good for some of the bad ones - although it really wouldn't be fair to my friends there. Or to the people who drink there either.
Seriously. It's not meant to be about the jobs themselves. I was thinking about which jobs would be most unsuited to certain obnoxious personality types. Besides the job of doctor which we already know that they are unsuited for.
Jane (digging herself in deeper and deeper)
Posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 23:55:36
In reply to Second explanation » Kristi, posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 22:57:29
Jane,
Dont worry about it... it was just putting my job.. and bad doctors(one in which ruined,.. ruined my life) together in one thread.. I guess set me off.
I had no right to spout out what I make either. I feel like an idiot about that. I'm really not trying to brag.
The reason I think I am smart... is because I "educated" myself as an engineer.. landed a good job, and so much stress that I couldn't even come close to enjoying life. I said no more.. moved here... and got an easy job where I make so much money. I leave saying it's not fair. I don't deserve it. But it's more than what you picture... it's not me smiling at a bunch of guys, or shaking my money maker. Most of the tourists are lousy tippers. The locals are where I make my money.... usually old woman... who I just make their day by talking to them, listening to them... and I guess the smartness comes in that I landed a type of job, where I have money and can enjoy life. To me finding that is smart. That may sound terrible to some people. Unfortunately.... due to the medical stuff... I don't enjoy this money, and this time, and this non stressful job.
Yes.. I did say it was hard to put on a smile,, and it is... but that fake smile is better than none I guess. But my job isn't my depression. My job is my savior... and I believe I said that pretty much verbatim.
I've had a bad weekend... I'm sorry to be so defensive... forget about it. But I still don't think we should demean anyone's occupation. That doesn't make the person. Even the toll booth guy. Sorry so long.... I need some sleep. Take care, Kristi
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> Las vegas.... but I think it's kind of SMART. What I do for a living... and what I make. Sorry, I do.
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> You don't need to defend yourself. Believe it or not I started with that job because I thought that it didn't have any negative connotations that could offend someone. My mistake. I was envisioning the waitresses at one specific bar and I didn't think of it as demeaning them. Cocktail isn't a word ever heard there. I hope they make what you do - they certainly earn it - but I really doubt it. And they have to be nice to people who don't deserve it, not let their personal problems show at work, and they have to deal with not being in complete control of everyone around them all the time while not getting out of control themselves. And that last is the part that I think would particularly trip up some doctors.
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> But - the money's too good. With the rise of the HMO's it might even be a raise for some doctors so I think we should agree that they cannot be Las Vegas cocktail waitresses unless they've been very good doctors. I still think a stint at my neighborhood bar would be good for some of the bad ones - although it really wouldn't be fair to my friends there. Or to the people who drink there either.
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> Seriously. It's not meant to be about the jobs themselves. I was thinking about which jobs would be most unsuited to certain obnoxious personality types. Besides the job of doctor which we already know that they are unsuited for.
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Posted by galtin on October 2, 2001, at 23:56:32
In reply to Second explanation » Kristi, posted by Jane D on October 2, 2001, at 22:57:29
> > In defense to myself.... I used to be a
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> Las vegas.... but I think it's kind of SMART. What I do for a living... and what I make. Sorry, I do.
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> You don't need to defend yourself. Believe it or not I started with that job because I thought that it didn't have any negative connotations that could offend someone. My mistake. I was envisioning the waitresses at one specific bar and I didn't think of it as demeaning them. Cocktail isn't a word ever heard there. I hope they make what you do - they certainly earn it - but I really doubt it. And they have to be nice to people who don't deserve it, not let their personal problems show at work, and they have to deal with not being in complete control of everyone around them all the time while not getting out of control themselves. And that last is the part that I think would particularly trip up some doctors.
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> But - the money's too good. With the rise of the HMO's it might even be a raise for some doctors so I think we should agree that they cannot be Las Vegas cocktail waitresses unless they've been very good doctors. I still think a stint at my neighborhood bar would be good for some of the bad ones - although it really wouldn't be fair to my friends there. Or to the people who drink there either.
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> Seriously. It's not meant to be about the jobs themselves. I was thinking about which jobs would be most unsuited to certain obnoxious personality types. Besides the job of doctor which we already know that they are unsuited for.
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> Jane (digging herself in deeper and deeper)
Jane-Just one view, but maybe this is a good time to let the issue die the natural death of inattention.
Kristi-
Thanks for your illuminating report on the compensation details of your job. I am now considering a career change. One problem, though. I haven't been to Vegas. But during a recent trip to Lake Tahoe, I didn't spot any guy waitresses in the classier places. Then again, I was not studying the issue at that time. Plus, I am not too sure how I would look in the outfits, especially the skirt part. Anyway, from IBM to cocktail waitress is definitely a move in the right direction. As long as you are not bored.
So far as the orginal question is concerned,I vote for the consequences to fit the offense--they return as OCD patients who are compelled to seek out only the most imcompetent and uncommunicative doctors available.
Best Wishes,
galtin
Posted by Kristi on October 3, 2001, at 0:07:30
In reply to Re: Second explanation Jane Kristi, posted by galtin on October 2, 2001, at 23:56:32
First of all... thankx for making me laugh. Got a little emotional and I needed it. :-)
> Kristi-
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> Thanks for your illuminating report on the compensation details of your job. I am now considering a career change. One problem, though. I haven't been to Vegas. But during a recent trip to Lake Tahoe, I didn't spot any guy waitresses in the classier places. Then again, I was not studying the issue at that time. Plus, I am not too sure how I would look in the outfits, especially the skirt part. Anyway, from IBM to cocktail waitress is definitely a move in the right direction. As long as you are not bored.
Do you really think that? A move from IBM to waitressing is the right direction... or are you "busting" me?
But... their is an EXTREMELY classy 5 star hotel here that hires only male waiters. I hear they make killer money. Valet makes even more than we do. Can ya drive? All makes and models? :-)
> So far as the orginal question is concerned,I vote for the consequences to fit the offense--they return as OCD patients who are compelled to seek out only the most imcompetent and uncommunicative doctors available.AGREED. Sorry everyone.... for going off.
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Posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 0:17:24
In reply to Re: Second explanation Jane Kristi, posted by galtin on October 2, 2001, at 23:56:32
i was a cocktail waitress for a few months and found it pretty lucrative! i've often thought of returning...
i've alot of respect for waitresses/bartenders/entertainers simply 'cos i've been there...my only grudge against the casino drinks is that they seem suspiciously *weak*! of course, i was playing the slots in colorado, i wasn't a high-roller in vegas.
damn girl, you make alot of money, yr making me want to be a college dropout even longer...
i bet tool-booth operators have the best time. i bet they get all high and read good books and their friends buy them beers for letting them cross the bridge for free. they can space-out and look at the sky; the requirements are minimal, so they may enjoy lots of free time and thought.
i'd rather be a toll-booth operator than a mayor, or newscaster, or movie actor, and i'll prally be cocktailing sometime soon! good tips, good conversation, good entertainment...
sar
Posted by Kristi on October 3, 2001, at 0:46:39
In reply to Re: Second explanation Jane Kristi, posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 0:17:24
> i was a cocktail waitress for a few months and found it pretty lucrative! i've often thought of returning...
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> i've alot of respect for waitresses/bartenders/entertainers simply 'cos i've been there...my only grudge against the casino drinks is that they seem suspiciously *weak*! of course, i was playing the slots in colorado, i wasn't a high-roller in vegas.
Oh.... Your absolutely right. They ARE weak... need to keep them coming back for more.> damn girl, you make alot of money, yr making me want to be a college dropout even longer...
I really wish I didn't post that.... I really wasn't trying to show off or anything.... UGH... I wish Dr. Bob would delete that. Someone said before... to bad we couldn't unsubmit.
> i bet tool-booth operators have the best time. i bet they get all high and read good books and their friends buy them beers for letting them cross the bridge for free. they can space-out and look at the sky; the requirements are minimal, so they may enjoy lots of free time and thought.
Heck ya
> i'd rather be a toll-booth operator than a mayor, or newscaster, or movie actor, and i'll prally be cocktailing sometime soon! good tips, good conversation, good entertainment...
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> sarLike your thinking... as always.... I think we'd get along pretty well! Thankx honey....
Posted by Cam W. on October 3, 2001, at 0:55:52
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as.... » Kristi, posted by susan C on October 2, 2001, at 22:30:38
>... in the no smoking section...
Has anyone else noticed that non-smoking areas in most restaurants are basically equivalent to non-peeing areas in pools? - Cam
Posted by Willow on October 3, 2001, at 7:34:28
In reply to Re: Bad doctors should be reincarnated as...., posted by Kristi on October 2, 2001, at 22:19:43
You do not need to defend your occupation. One of my best moments in time was when I was waitressing nights at a truckstop. Now physically and mentally it is beyond my grasp.
I believe the original post was intended to put the reincarnated in a position were their livelihood depends on their social skills. I'm sure we've all met individuals who aren't very strong in the empathy department.
Whispering Willow
Posted by susan C on October 3, 2001, at 12:41:31
In reply to reincarnated as.... (occupation) » Kristi, posted by Willow on October 3, 2001, at 7:34:28
My main, number one occupation has been Mom. At one point I got one of my sons to listen to me as I listed all the different jobs I have had in my life, he responded, boy, you sure have done a lot of different things...photographer, Tv Camera Operator, Retail sales (books, housewears, fine jewelry) Non profit promototions, business development, marketing (including custom computer design sales) office manager (business owner), car sales...but I never did do what college trained me for, ba ed. Cant stand rooms full of screaming children, never could...should have changed my major ten times...and I always made enough to pay the babysitter and fix the car, until, I started selling cars. I started that job because my business partner had just gotten a different job, which meant our business was done. The kids were old enough I could work full time. In three months made more money than I had in a year and I did more with the access to reestablishing credit and contributing to non profits than I had done in over three years talking to banks and doing business plans...Funny how those blue collar, just get in there and get your hands dirty jobs if you had a common sense head on your shoulders type jobs can earn you a bit of dough ray me.
In reading all these posts, I reflect on how all of us have parts of our lives where things aren't just right and that is what we see...some of those parts include an individual we have depended on for care and direction and for some reason, perhaps because that doctor hadn't had lunch yet, for example, they let us down. Ranting and Venting is a wonderful process...and I agree...with Pax, the no smoking section is a lot like the non peeing section of the pool
mouse dashing off to use the 'facilities'
Susan Cp.s. never done food service...and, when the service is good, I tip big, I figure it is all hard hard work.
> You do not need to defend your occupation. One of my best moments in time was when I was waitressing nights at a truckstop. Now physically and mentally it is beyond my grasp.
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> I believe the original post was intended to put the reincarnated in a position were their livelihood depends on their social skills. I'm sure we've all met individuals who aren't very strong in the empathy department.
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Posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 21:11:34
In reply to reincarnated as.... (occupation) » Kristi, posted by Willow on October 3, 2001, at 7:34:28
I'm sure we've all met individuals who aren't very strong in the empathy department.
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> Whispering Willowi don't know if i'm being overly sensitive or not, but was this in some way a jab at me for the WTC thread?
Posted by Jane D on October 3, 2001, at 21:24:58
In reply to Re: Second explanation Jane Kristi » sar, posted by Kristi on October 3, 2001, at 0:46:39
> I really wish I didn't post that.... I really wasn't trying to show off or anything.... UGH... I wish Dr. Bob would delete that. Someone said before... to bad we couldn't unsubmit.
Kristi - No problem. It never occurred to me to assume that you were trying to make other people feel badly and doubt it would have occurred to anyone else to take it that way either.
Jane
Posted by Kristi on October 4, 2001, at 1:19:45
In reply to No offense taken » Kristi, posted by Jane D on October 3, 2001, at 21:24:58
> > I really wish I didn't post that.... I really wasn't trying to show off or anything.... UGH... I wish Dr. Bob would delete that. Someone said before... to bad we couldn't unsubmit.
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> Kristi - No problem. It never occurred to me to assume that you were trying to make other people feel badly and doubt it would have occurred to anyone else to take it that way either.
> Jane
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