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Posted by Kath on June 15, 2006, at 12:37:22
Lately I've been doing what I call 'energy work' with a practitioner.
She's been using a technique called TAT & there's an internet site for it.
I'm finding this work incredibly helpful in releasing stuff that years of therapy & counselling haven't been able to - especially issues around my son.
I also use it - just the 'hold' - without the Steps, for feeling anxious about an event or the yucky feeling dreams can leave me with. It really helps me.
Here's the site. I'd be glad to share my experience of it if anyone wants to ask.
I will be going away camping for a week & a half this coming Sunday, so if I don't reply it means I'm away & will reply when I return.
Site:
www.tatlife.com
:-) Kath
Posted by teejay on June 24, 2006, at 20:42:16
In reply to TAT technique - works for me, posted by Kath on June 15, 2006, at 12:37:22
Wow, what an interesting post.
Unfortunately I'm tired, my memory is crap AND i've had a drink so if you'd kindly gimme a kick when you get back from camping I'd like to discuss this further with you if that would be ok?
Thanks TJ
Posted by Kath on June 29, 2006, at 17:55:15
In reply to Re: TAT technique - works for me, posted by teejay on June 24, 2006, at 20:42:16
discuss this with you.
While I was away, I was tending to worry about certain things at home & used TAT to - I guess I can say "dissolve" the yucky feelings.
I'm excited that someone is interested !!!
My husband & I leave for a cottage week (our friend is letting us stay at his cottage - lucky us) - so if I don't get back to you, that's why.
If you want to Babblemail me, that'd be fine also, TJ.
:-))) Kath
> Wow, what an interesting post.
>
> Unfortunately I'm tired, my memory is crap AND i've had a drink so if you'd kindly gimme a kick when you get back from camping I'd like to discuss this further with you if that would be ok?
>
> Thanks TJ
Posted by teejay on June 29, 2006, at 21:30:28
In reply to Consider yourself 'kicked' LOL - would love to .. » teejay, posted by Kath on June 29, 2006, at 17:55:15
Hi kath,
I'm no big fan of airing my dirty laundry with a complete stranger.........well a professional one anyway who has no REAL interest in MY well being.
On that basis this idea of getting rid of 'issues' through TAT sounds pretty interesting to me.
I have the kind of personality that resents injustice BIG TIME and allows things over which I have no control (such as troubles in the middle east for example) to gnaw away at me in a most detrimental way. Of course certain issues much closer to home also cause me much angst which I find hard to turn off and just wondered if this technique you have discovered might be of some use to me.
I could babblemail you, but just maybe our discussion might help someone else who doesnt have the confidence to speak up so lets keep it here unless you have a problem with that in which case I'm happy to take the discussion private.
Thanks for the kick by the way :-)
TJ
Posted by over 55 on June 30, 2006, at 9:27:00
In reply to Ouch!!!!!!!!, posted by teejay on June 29, 2006, at 21:30:28
> Hi kath,
>
> I'm no big fan of airing my dirty laundry with a complete stranger.........well a professional one anyway who has no REAL interest in MY well being.
>
> On that basis this idea of getting rid of 'issues' through TAT sounds pretty interesting to me.
>
> I have the kind of personality that resents injustice BIG TIME and allows things over which I have no control (such as troubles in the middle east for example) to gnaw away at me in a most detrimental way. Of course certain issues much closer to home also cause me much angst which I find hard to turn off and just wondered if this technique you have discovered might be of some use to me.
>
> I could babblemail you, but just maybe our discussion might help someone else who doesnt have the confidence to speak up so lets keep it here unless you have a problem with that in which case I'm happy to take the discussion private.
>
> Thanks for the kick by the way :-)
>
> TJHi,
You are right....this is interesting and wondered if I can get in on the discussion. I am familiar with EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) and am wondering if it is similar. The basic info and CD were free (very nice) and permission is granted to copy and give away copies to 50 people, so don't beleive this to be a money scam in any way. Anyway, I have used the techique which basically is "tapping" on various appointed pressure points in sequence along with affirmations to dispell the false beliefs associated with physical or emotional pain. I have used it successfully on tooth pain and many times on emotional issues that I am obsessing over with no solution in sight. It seems to interrupt the negative cycle of thinking and at the end of a few mintues of cyclic "tapping on pressure points", I honestly can't remember what the problem was. I have not done the extensive "tapping" that many have gone on to that "gets to the sourse" as I have been sstisfied to relieve the immeidate anxiety. Any thoughts on this?
Posted by Kath on June 30, 2006, at 17:26:28
In reply to Ouch!!!!!!!!, posted by teejay on June 29, 2006, at 21:30:28
Hi TJ - I like to ghhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
oops LOL - that was my lizard walking on the keyboard!!!! She's 14" long & is a Uromastix. Has a 'toadlike' face, a rounded, flat-to-the-ground body with smooth skin (black, gray, gold, brown, beige) & a spiky (ouch - if she's scared she 'whips' it) tail!! She is one of the lizards that is fine with being held & handled. Seems to like it in fact. Her name is Meggie. She's a veggie basically (like me) who also enjoys the occassional cricket. So ANYway...... I'll put her back in her tank (which is huge & is on my kitchen counter, much to my more conventional friends' horror).
There! As I was saying, I like to answer through posts in between ****marks**** - that way I don't have to try to remember what I was going to reply to!
> Hi kath,
>
> I'm no big fan of airing my dirty laundry with a complete stranger.........well a professional one anyway who has no REAL interest in MY well being.
>
> On that basis this idea of getting rid of 'issues' through TAT sounds pretty interesting to me.********It is perfect for that concern...it's also FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, which is pretty darned nice!!!************
> I have the kind of personality that resents injustice BIG TIME and allows things over which I have no control (such as troubles in the middle east for example) to gnaw away at me in a most detrimental way. Of course certain issues much closer to home also cause me much angst which I find hard to turn off and just wondered if this technique you have discovered might be of some use to me.************From my experience, once again, it is perfect for that type of thing. I'm realizing, the more I use it, how extremely useful it is - for me anyway. I also recently went into more detail explaining it to my husband & today he was telling me that he'd used it for physical things & it had helped him. He was in the middle of a gallstone pain attack, which would have been the "acid test" of if TAT worked....my husband took the demerol that the doctor had prescribed instead! Anyway, he said he'd found it had helped him with physical stuff. I find that interesting.***********
> I could babblemail you, but just maybe our discussion might help someone else who doesnt have the confidence to speak up so lets keep it here unless you have a problem with that in which case I'm happy to take the discussion private.
*******Good point. I mentioned it in case you wanted to ask about specific details that you might not want to put here. I'm totally fine with discussing it here & I notice there's another post, so obviously there's more interest. I'm really excited to 'spread the word' because it's proving to be such a great thing for me.***********
> Thanks for the kick by the way :-)
>
> TJ*************yer welcome ;-)) any old time! By the way, I'm going away for a week again tomorrow, so if you post in the meantime I'll answer when I get back.
Take care. Kath************
Posted by Kath on June 30, 2006, at 17:57:42
In reply to Re: Ouch!!!!!!!!, posted by over 55 on June 30, 2006, at 9:27:00
Hi Over55,
I am too - I'm 59. I'm going to answer between ******** marks**********
> Hi,
>
> You are right....this is interesting and wondered if I can get in on the discussion. I am familiar with EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) and am wondering if it is similar.******yes, it is similar. The lady who taught me TAT also taught me EFT & up until TAT I'd been using it. EFT has also helped me greatly. I tend to use TAT now, but if I'm feeling a certain emotion I'll sometimes use EFT to deal with it. I like TAT though, because it's just the 1 position of hands & you don't even need to think anything or say anything. You CAN use the 7 sentences while you think of a certain trauma or situation if you want to. I've done it both ways.
I tend to have troubled dreams often & wake up with the emotions that I'd have if I actually DID experience the events of the dream. When I wake up & feel crappy, I'll just do the 'hold' & feel how I feel & have in my mind, "This is about how I feel as a result of my dreams last nite". I have my eyes open & I just breathe deeply & what I find is that at some point (often in about a minute) my thoughts start to wander & I'll start thinking about something else. At that point, I let go with my hands & usually feel as if my vision is clearer. Almost as if there was the slightest haze in the room before & it's gone now. It's hard to describe...it sounds wierd. But it's as if there's a 'clearness' afterwards. Sometimes I'll find that after a minute of doing the hold, I'll take a huge deep breath or sigh. It is so EASY to do!!!!!!
I can't remember if I mentioned in my original post, but the "big deal" issues that I dealt with (with Susan, the lady who I learned this from) were:
1) Emotional trauma from being left in my crib when I was a baby - can't remember how old, but maybe between 9 months & a year or so.2) The trauma about my Mom getting cancer & dying when I was 23 & my intense grief & abandonment about it.
3) Going through the period from when my son was about 13 until now (he's 22). All the sh*t that happened, including him having to leave our home on a few occassions when he wouldn't follow the rules necessary to live here (basically go to school or work). Although he's on his own now, there's still BIG stess related to the fact that he won't get a job...etc.
Each session was on a different day. After doing TAT, each time - I found that I had a tremendous amount of emotional & physical energy & tackled various areas in my house that needed sorting - things that had totally overwhelmed me before. When I mentioned this to Susan, she mentioned that it takes a LOT of energy storing these traumas & having them inside us.********
The basic info and CD were free (very nice) and permission is granted to copy and give away copies to 50 people, so don't beleive this to be a money scam in any way.
********I totally agree that it's not a scam. The TAT website also lets you download the instructions and a workbook FREE. There are other things that you can purchase, but the basics are free.************
Anyway, I have used the techique which basically is "tapping" on various appointed pressure points in sequence along with affirmations to dispell the false beliefs associated with physical or emotional pain. I have used it successfully on tooth pain and many times on emotional issues that I am obsessing over with no solution in sight. It seems to interrupt the negative cycle of thinking and at the end of a few mintues of cyclic "tapping on pressure points", I honestly can't remember what the problem was.
*********Isn't that cool?! I know - I find the same thing. That tooth pain thing is GREAT. I haven't tried it on physical stuff, but I will.****I have not done the extensive "tapping" that many have gone on to that "gets to the sourse" as I have been sstisfied to relieve the immeidate anxiety. Any thoughts on this?
*****I haven't seen the CD info, so I don't know about the source part. I find that interesting. Do you mean the source for each individual problem? Is it the same tapping?
Now that I'm using TAT, I find I like it better, although if it's a specific FEELING - a very specific one, I tend to use tapping. If it's a situation or something, I'll use TAT because with it, you don't need to figure out anything.
I like, with these techniques, that you don't need to RE-FEEL the hurts. I really like that. Susan says she doesn't think we need to be re-traumatized.
Well, I think that's all for now. I'm so glad you're interested. As I told TJ I'm away for a week as of tomorrow, but will check here when I return.
:-) Kath
Posted by over 55 on July 5, 2006, at 9:16:47
In reply to Re: Ouch!!!!!!!! » over 55, posted by Kath on June 30, 2006, at 17:57:42
> Hi Over55,
>
> I am too - I'm 59. I'm going to answer between ******** marks**********
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > You are right....this is interesting and wondered if I can get in on the discussion. I am familiar with EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) and am wondering if it is similar.
>
> ******yes, it is similar. The lady who taught me TAT also taught me EFT & up until TAT I'd been using it. EFT has also helped me greatly. I tend to use TAT now, but if I'm feeling a certain emotion I'll sometimes use EFT to deal with it. I like TAT though, because it's just the 1 position of hands & you don't even need to think anything or say anything. You CAN use the 7 sentences while you think of a certain trauma or situation if you want to. I've done it both ways.
>
> I tend to have troubled dreams often & wake up with the emotions that I'd have if I actually DID experience the events of the dream. When I wake up & feel crappy, I'll just do the 'hold' & feel how I feel & have in my mind, "This is about how I feel as a result of my dreams last nite". I have my eyes open & I just breathe deeply & what I find is that at some point (often in about a minute) my thoughts start to wander & I'll start thinking about something else. At that point, I let go with my hands & usually feel as if my vision is clearer. Almost as if there was the slightest haze in the room before & it's gone now. It's hard to describe...it sounds wierd. But it's as if there's a 'clearness' afterwards. Sometimes I'll find that after a minute of doing the hold, I'll take a huge deep breath or sigh. It is so EASY to do!!!!!!
>
> I can't remember if I mentioned in my original post, but the "big deal" issues that I dealt with (with Susan, the lady who I learned this from) were:
> 1) Emotional trauma from being left in my crib when I was a baby - can't remember how old, but maybe between 9 months & a year or so.
>
> 2) The trauma about my Mom getting cancer & dying when I was 23 & my intense grief & abandonment about it.
>
> 3) Going through the period from when my son was about 13 until now (he's 22). All the sh*t that happened, including him having to leave our home on a few occassions when he wouldn't follow the rules necessary to live here (basically go to school or work). Although he's on his own now, there's still BIG stess related to the fact that he won't get a job...etc.
>
> Each session was on a different day. After doing TAT, each time - I found that I had a tremendous amount of emotional & physical energy & tackled various areas in my house that needed sorting - things that had totally overwhelmed me before. When I mentioned this to Susan, she mentioned that it takes a LOT of energy storing these traumas & having them inside us.********
>
> The basic info and CD were free (very nice) and permission is granted to copy and give away copies to 50 people, so don't beleive this to be a money scam in any way.
>
> ********I totally agree that it's not a scam. The TAT website also lets you download the instructions and a workbook FREE. There are other things that you can purchase, but the basics are free.************
>
> Anyway, I have used the techique which basically is "tapping" on various appointed pressure points in sequence along with affirmations to dispell the false beliefs associated with physical or emotional pain. I have used it successfully on tooth pain and many times on emotional issues that I am obsessing over with no solution in sight. It seems to interrupt the negative cycle of thinking and at the end of a few mintues of cyclic "tapping on pressure points", I honestly can't remember what the problem was.
> *********Isn't that cool?! I know - I find the same thing. That tooth pain thing is GREAT. I haven't tried it on physical stuff, but I will.****
>
> I have not done the extensive "tapping" that many have gone on to that "gets to the sourse" as I have been sstisfied to relieve the immeidate anxiety. Any thoughts on this?
>
> *****I haven't seen the CD info, so I don't know about the source part. I find that interesting. Do you mean the source for each individual problem? Is it the same tapping?
>
> Now that I'm using TAT, I find I like it better, although if it's a specific FEELING - a very specific one, I tend to use tapping. If it's a situation or something, I'll use TAT because with it, you don't need to figure out anything.
>
> I like, with these techniques, that you don't need to RE-FEEL the hurts. I really like that. Susan says she doesn't think we need to be re-traumatized.
>
> Well, I think that's all for now. I'm so glad you're interested. As I told TJ I'm away for a week as of tomorrow, but will check here when I return.
>
> :-) KathHi Kath,
Now I am really interested. The easier, the better. It is amazing how even if something does work, my memory is short enough that I will reach for a pill instead of just tapping!! Or I will "suffer" for awhile before rememebering to "tap". I am definitely going to look at TAT and try it. I use the easy method of EFT. The idea for getting to the sourse from what I have gathered from reading the Newsletter is to "tap" on new issues as they come up when dealing with any emotional issue. I usually just want the bad feelings to just go away so don't focus on "listening" to anything coming up, just concentrate on the tapping to get it over with. I just need to remember to tap and not suffer!! Hope you have a great holiday and will chat again soon. thanks for the info.
>
>
Posted by JLx on July 5, 2006, at 9:33:37
In reply to Re: Ouch!!!!!!!!, posted by over 55 on June 30, 2006, at 9:27:00
I have the book "Instant Emotional Healing: Acupressure for the Emotions" by therapists, George Pratt and Peter Lambrou about tapping. This book has different tap formulas designed for various emotions or circumstances. I haven't used it very diligently in the past so never could make up my mind about how well it worked.
I just downloaded the Gary Craig version from online, however, which is very similar but appears simpler. I've also read the EFT materials on the Mercola.com site as well as have copied the chapter about it in Dr. Mercola's "No Grain Diet" book, which are simpler yet. He has a self-acceptance affirmation in there that I've liked, but again not used regularly.
Nothing will work well if you don't actually do it, but "not doing" is my major problem. I'm feeling game to give it more of a go now, though, so I'm wondering, where did you get the free CD?
JL
> You are right....this is interesting and wondered if I can get in on the discussion. I am familiar with EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) and am wondering if it is similar. The basic info and CD were free (very nice) and permission is granted to copy and give away copies to 50 people, so don't beleive this to be a money scam in any way. Anyway, I have used the techique which basically is "tapping" on various appointed pressure points in sequence along with affirmations to dispell the false beliefs associated with physical or emotional pain. I have used it successfully on tooth pain and many times on emotional issues that I am obsessing over with no solution in sight. It seems to interrupt the negative cycle of thinking and at the end of a few mintues of cyclic "tapping on pressure points", I honestly can't remember what the problem was. I have not done the extensive "tapping" that many have gone on to that "gets to the sourse" as I have been sstisfied to relieve the immeidate anxiety. Any thoughts on this?
Posted by over 55 on July 5, 2006, at 14:21:12
In reply to Re: Emotional Freedom Technique -- free CD? » over 55, posted by JLx on July 5, 2006, at 9:33:37
Hum.m.m.m your question about the CD "ruffled my brain" and made me have to think about where I did get it. I know it was free; but now that I have thought about it, my recollection is that a massage therapist "gave me" the CD. I haven't been to the web site in a long time, but I believe it is on there that permission is given to "give up to 50 (or may be 100)" copies of the CD away, for free to friends etc; you just can't sell them. I beleive she bought the basic pkg and then gave me the initial CD, so it was free to me (just not her) ( :
I too had/have great results and forget to use all the "techniques" I have learned from all these years of living. You'd think I'd learn huh!!
I can't remember the exact name of another service she offered; but it had to do with "vibrational therapy" where she hooked you up to a computer program and electrodes to the head, wrists and ankles (I think). It lasted about 50 minutes or so. I was able to get rid of all environmental allergies and no longer take any meds for that. The read-out I got after each session kept saying "You have a major block".......whew I can agree with that. It would also give a list of supliments recommended for "whatever"and told me to drink more amd more amd more water!! I have been working on "self" for many years now. Some days it is just too hard of a job for any one person. I don't remember much else about it other than I slept like a log through the whole process on more than one occassion; it was so restful. Then she left the area, and that was the end of that. I briefly looked into getting the program/machine for myself, but at the price tag of upwards to $10,000 could not find my sack of gold I'd hidden from myself (ha ha).
Posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 14:37:21
In reply to Re: Emotional Freedom Technique -- free CD?, posted by over 55 on July 5, 2006, at 14:21:12
Thanks so much for posting about this. You are the first person I can remember who has said on this board that EFT worked for you. This encouraged me to give it a better try this time than I have in the past.
I downloaded Gary Craig's manual and have read numerous other pages on his site and just understood it better in simpler terms than the book I have (which uses different formulas for different emotions...meaning consulting the book constantly). I actually thought it worked for a few things I tried in the past like anxiety, but the practice of it seemed like too much work and just another thing "to do" when "doing" when I'm depressed is a major problem. Now I have memorized the basics and have been going to town with it...with great effect! :)
I've been using it for weight loss which for me connects to some body/emotion issues related to incest that I've spent a hundred years in therapy addressing...inching along. I feel I've come MILES this week.
Several years ago with the help of supplements, I tried a diet regimen of "no sugar, no dairy, no grains" and I felt good on that mood-wise and lost a lot of weight. Unfortunately, then I started a new job and was completely undone by the stress of that, gained back all the weight, got more depressed again, etc. I've been trying ever since to psych myself up again for these diet restrictions and just couldn't do it...until now. This is Day 5 which means I'm past the 3-day physical cravings and I feel fine. :)
The tapping/affirming process has brought up some false beliefs that I just can't believe were still buried after all the really heavy duty therapy I've had. And unlike in therapy, you can just tap the pain away once you feel it! And so far, so good...it's gone. :)
I'm really looking forward to talking to my therapist this week because we have both been quite frustrated with my lack of progress in certain outward aspects of my life despite all our work and progress internally.
Again, thanks for mentioning it.
JL
Posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 14:38:32
In reply to TAT technique - works for me, posted by Kath on June 15, 2006, at 12:37:22
Posted by over 55 on July 10, 2006, at 8:36:35
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. (nm) » Kath, posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 14:38:32
JLX:
Good for you!! Sometimes we just need a "jolt from the past" to get us started again. I was sitting on my porch Sunday morning "ruminating" over a perceived "slight" I'd received and started bringing up "old pain" along with it and thought "Why do you want to spend the day suffering over this stuff?" Then I did two quick series of taps and went on with my day, pain free. Sometimes, we just forget what works!!! So, glad to have helped and keep up the good work in the weight loss....I am also "there"....
Posted by kath on July 14, 2006, at 21:57:30
In reply to Re: Ouch!!!!!!!! » Kath, posted by over 55 on July 5, 2006, at 9:16:47
>>
> Hi Kath,
>
> Now I am really interested. The easier, the better. It is amazing how even if something does work, my memory is short enough that I will reach for a pill instead of just tapping!! Or I will "suffer" for awhile before rememebering to "tap". I am definitely going to look at TAT and try it. I use the easy method of EFT. The idea for getting to the sourse from what I have gathered from reading the Newsletter is to "tap" on new issues as they come up when dealing with any emotional issue. I usually just want the bad feelings to just go away so don't focus on "listening" to anything coming up, just concentrate on the tapping to get it over with. I just need to remember to tap and not suffer!! Hope you have a great holiday and will chat again soon. thanks for the info.Hi - I'm back! That's interesting. Lately, I have been writing in a journal when I wake up.
Actually, often I wake up feeling crappy from dreams and like you, I want to GET RID OF THE BAD FEELINGS as darned quickly as possible, thank you very much!
While I was away, I'd do TAT right when I woke up - without words - just with the intention of getting rid of the feeling from my dreams. Then, when I felt freed of that, I'd write in my journal - just 'stream of consciousness' - whatever I was thinking went down on the paper.
What happened was really interesting. If something was bothering me I'd put a hyphen at the edge of the page & write it - for ex.....
- worrying about how I'll get all that sorting done
Then I'd either do TAT or tap & that would dissolve. Then I'd write whatever else came into my mind & sometimes emotions would come up or I'd understand WHY I was upset about something, etc.
I have had the tendency to just do the TAT hold to 'get rid of' whatever yukky feeling I have, but a few days ago I realized that if I could 'handle' feeling the feeling & maybe thinking about it, or understanding why I felt like that, etc, it might actually be better for me. I'm very much like you in that I want to NOT feel uncomfortable stuff.
Lately I'm trying to be less panicky about feeling 'uncomfortable' things. I'm trying to realize that the total spectrum of feelings from joy down to despair, are part of being alive & I don't need to panic about uncomfortable feelings. I can have them & I WILL be okay.
That said, I AM glad of TAT & EFT. I think knowing that I CAN get rid of yukky feelings helps me to be more comfortable in feeling them. Almost like if I had a bottle of aspirin on the table, I might be more calm having a headache & waiting to see if I decide I WILL to take an aspirin.
And THAT being said - I HAVE taken a valerian pill for the last few days to help me cope with my feelings regarding a situation that I had to deal with when I returned home! I'll go into detail about THAT on the Social Board.
I've 'tapped' & done the TAT hold about this thing a few times, but don't want to do my usual of not being in the present & in my feelings, as this is probably important for me to feel.
If you want to know about that, as I said, I'll post it at Social. Not sure if I'll do it right now, as it's 11 pm-ish.
I'm delighted that people are interested, as I find these amazing tools!
:-)) Kath
Posted by kath on July 14, 2006, at 22:06:27
In reply to Re: Emotional Freedom Technique -- free CD? » over 55, posted by JLx on July 5, 2006, at 9:33:37
I think the site is
www.emofree.com
maybe it's .org or whatever
My daughter just said it is Gary Craig but I think it's emofree.com
Kath
> I have the book "Instant Emotional Healing: Acupressure for the Emotions" by therapists, George Pratt and Peter Lambrou about tapping. This book has different tap formulas designed for various emotions or circumstances. I haven't used it very diligently in the past so never could make up my mind about how well it worked.
>
> I just downloaded the Gary Craig version from online, however, which is very similar but appears simpler. I've also read the EFT materials on the Mercola.com site as well as have copied the chapter about it in Dr. Mercola's "No Grain Diet" book, which are simpler yet. He has a self-acceptance affirmation in there that I've liked, but again not used regularly.
>
> Nothing will work well if you don't actually do it, but "not doing" is my major problem. I'm feeling game to give it more of a go now, though, so I'm wondering, where did you get the free CD?
>
> JL
>
>
> > You are right....this is interesting and wondered if I can get in on the discussion. I am familiar with EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) and am wondering if it is similar. The basic info and CD were free (very nice) and permission is granted to copy and give away copies to 50 people, so don't beleive this to be a money scam in any way. Anyway, I have used the techique which basically is "tapping" on various appointed pressure points in sequence along with affirmations to dispell the false beliefs associated with physical or emotional pain. I have used it successfully on tooth pain and many times on emotional issues that I am obsessing over with no solution in sight. It seems to interrupt the negative cycle of thinking and at the end of a few mintues of cyclic "tapping on pressure points", I honestly can't remember what the problem was. I have not done the extensive "tapping" that many have gone on to that "gets to the sourse" as I have been sstisfied to relieve the immeidate anxiety. Any thoughts on this?
>
>
Posted by over 55 on July 17, 2006, at 13:01:33
In reply to Re: Emotional Freedom Technique -- free CD? » JLx, posted by kath on July 14, 2006, at 22:06:27
You are right it is Gary Craig and here is the address: http://www.emofree.com/archives/archive280.htm
I get his newsletter and it has very interesting articles about EFT and other info. I had a "tapping good time" this weekend as I was just out of sorts all weekend and tried to get at the source and tapped alot. Very successful in dealing with anxiety. Just another tool to use when I am out of control. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by Kath on July 18, 2006, at 12:09:11
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too., posted by over 55 on July 10, 2006, at 8:36:35
I'm so glad you're having good results with it.
I use both tapping AND the TAT hold now. I like that TAT hold because I'm basically lazy & it's easy & you don't even need to SAY anything.
Just feel whatever you're feeling or think about whatever you want to 'heal' & it works itself!
On the weekend my husband & I were talking about some things that had happened years ago with our son. I started feeling really sad & awful & said, "You know, this is upsetting me too much - I don't think I can talk about it any more." & he said ok, then I said, "Hey - I should do TAT about it." So I did - just standing there in the kitchen. And when I started, I got a wave of sadness - not heavy-duty, but it was there. I just kept breathing deeply & in a relaxed way. A few related things came into my mind & I just breathed & let them flow by. After about 2 or 3 minutes (& that's LONG for me - usually it is over before that), I started to think about this & that & sort of almost forgot what I was doing TAT about!!!
I just realized that I think I tend to use TAT for situations or memories, etc. And I use tapping for either specific emotions or "butterflies in my stomach" feelings or tight chest, or 'feeling yukky'...etc. Although I do use TAT for 'feeling yukky' also.
Have you tried that TAT hold yet? If you, or anyone wants any feedback at all about it, I'd be more than happy to give it!
:-)) Kath
JLX:
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> Good for you!! Sometimes we just need a "jolt from the past" to get us started again. I was sitting on my porch Sunday morning "ruminating" over a perceived "slight" I'd received and started bringing up "old pain" along with it and thought "Why do you want to spend the day suffering over this stuff?" Then I did two quick series of taps and went on with my day, pain free. Sometimes, we just forget what works!!! So, glad to have helped and keep up the good work in the weight loss....I am also "there"....
Posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 9:13:06
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by Kath on July 18, 2006, at 12:09:11
I haven't tried it yet, but am going to look thru old msgs and get info and look it up right now. I had a very emotional day yesterday and don't want to repeat it today. I will "tap and hold" all day if needed ( : Thanks for the encouragement!! I can't seem to get along in the real world so maybe this will work for me.
Posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 11:17:44
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by Kath on July 18, 2006, at 12:09:11
Kath,
WOW!!! I read about 70 pages of the info and then tried it on the issue from "yestereday"....I felt like my arms were so heavy I couldn't lift them when I was done and a physical tiredness came over me (10:30 in the am) that was very wierd. Reading on in the material I found "needing rest" after a session to be normal. It definitely did "something" and I will continue to search it out more. Thanks again!!
Posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 11:50:56
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 11:17:44
Jeez Louise ;-)) you know 'way more about it than I do then - I have only skimmed a page or two!!!!! 70 pages! WOW.
I am sooooooooooooo glad it's working for you. For me it's an unbelievable tool. If they could 'put it in a bottle' & sell it, someone could be pretty darned rich!!
Did you use the sentences or just use the hold?
I'm so excited about it!!
:-) Kath
PS - the woman who taught it to me said to:
- drink about 8 glasses of water in the 24 hours after doing TAT
- 20 minutes is about the maximum of TAT that you should do in a day
I suspect she got that info from the site.
Is there any particularly interesting stuff that you read in the 70 pages?
I downloaded the 2 free things, but don't know how to print them. Maybe we're not supposed to print them? I don't know.
K
> Kath,
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> WOW!!! I read about 70 pages of the info and then tried it on the issue from "yestereday"....I felt like my arms were so heavy I couldn't lift them when I was done and a physical tiredness came over me (10:30 in the am) that was very wierd. Reading on in the material I found "needing rest" after a session to be normal. It definitely did "something" and I will continue to search it out more. Thanks again!!
Posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 13:43:10
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!! » over 55, posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 11:50:56
Maybe I should have said "I speed read" the 70 pages ..Ha HA.......The water info and 20minute thing was in that info though.....it suggested no more than 10minutes when you first do it. i only did abut 5 minutes to get thru the one issue. Then I read some more and that is when it said about the tiredess. I would have wondered about feeling like a wet noodle if I hadn't read that. I have had some body energy work done too with some amazing results. it is just very expensive and takes more time. I go get a massage tonight after work so she probably will work some more toxins out....I better go buy some more water!!!
I haven't printed either,,,,I just read on line as I could make the font big for these tired eyes ( :
Posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 16:08:37
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 13:43:10
Maybe I should have said "I speed read" the 70 pages ..Ha HA...
*********OKAY!!!!! - well, even then - you've skimmed way more than I have. Did you go through the sentences while you did it, or just the hold? I've done both ways. While working with Susan, I did the sentences & by myself I've done both ways, but mostly without the words.****
.The water info and 20minute thing was in that info though.....it suggested no more than 10minutes when you first do it. i only did abut 5 minutes to get thru the one issue. Then I read some more and that is when it said about the tiredess. I would have wondered about feeling like a wet noodle if I hadn't read that. I have had some body energy work done too with some amazing results. it is just very expensive and takes more time. I go get a massage tonight after work so she probably will work some more toxins out....I better go buy some more water!!!
*********Lucky you about the massage - yummm. Massage is so therapeutic on lots of levels, I think. I do NOT like drinking water, so I have to really put my mind to remembering to drink enough.*********
> I haven't printed either,,,,I just read on line as I could make the font big for these tired eyes ( :*********I'm also over 55! (59) & lately need my reading glasses more frequently than before. I'm getting to the point where my arm really isn't long enough to hold some small print far enough away from my eyes to read it! Makes me think of when I was a kid & my Mom used to have to hold the hymn book far in front of her in church! We'd stand up to sing (why do people stand up in church to sing?!?) & her arm would be 'way out over the row in front of us! LOL
Take care,
Kath
Posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 16:48:19
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!! » over 55, posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 16:08:37
Hi again....
I did say the sentences...they were right in front of me to read this time. I am way excited about this!!
My eyesight is an issue right now. I had Lasik surgery two years ago and had perfect eyesite restored. As I have written about on other "threads"/sites, whatever they are on here, I recently went off Effexor and also Prozac (which was prescribed to get off the Effexor) and it has resulted in very blurry vision. I am off everything for two weeks now and doing OK. I halved my high-blood pressure meds too so know that the direutic in that was affecting eye site too. I am hoping my body will adjust and eyesight will be restored, but I'd rather be off meds and wear glasses ( : I had been on AD's since 1991 so I wanted to see if I could survive. And I am. I have learned other techniques to deal with stress (like TAT and tapping) and yoga and massage so would like to go "au naturale" if at all possible. Thus the eye problem. Too much info? Ah well, get me on the internet and I go wild. Not really. This is my first "chat" place on the internet except a short stint on Match.com( 3 months), so it is not an addiction yet ( :
Posted by Kath on July 20, 2006, at 8:24:22
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 16:48:19
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Hi Over - Not too much information at all. I'm enjoying 'chatting' with you! Muchly.
I KNOW - about being excited about TAT (& tapping) isn't it simply too much!?? I can't believe it & to ADD to it - it's EASY & FREE!!!
I also like natural methods for whatever comes my way. I went off Celexa (SSRI) in October or November (can't exactly remember - ironic - bad memory is a side effect that I DID notice with Celexa & it hasn't improved).
Anyway, I went of VERY gradually, breaking the pills in half; next stage biting that in half. My doctor laughed at me but said 'no problem'.
I went through menopause using only natural methods. Don't know if you're a guy or girl, but either for you or any important ladies in your life this book is as good for menopause as TAT is for ANYthing:
Menopausal Years - The Wise Woman Way by Susun Weed. It's invaluable!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry about your eye problems. Hey - guess what - what about trying tapping or TAT for that? I know it's a longshot, but my husband said he tried TAT for physical things & it helped!!!!
I wonder also about water. If you're on diuretics.....
Around 54 or so I noticed my eyesight changing. If I was reading, up-close, & changed to look across the room, it took a while for my focus to change. I noticed that if I had water that I had at my desk (I was doing office work at that time) & drank a lot of water, the time for the focus-change was very noticeably different!Just a thought.
I am so glad you got off Effexor successfully. I've heard so many horror stories of people simply NOT being able to function off it. And the scarey thing is that it seems most doctors don't bother to tell patients the potential serious problems that can arise.
That's all for now. (Get ME started & I "Babble" on & on....I guess this is a good site as to name!)
Take care & hope you have a great day. Kath
Hi again....
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> I did say the sentences...they were right in front of me to read this time. I am way excited about this!!
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> My eyesight is an issue right now. I had Lasik surgery two years ago and had perfect eyesite restored. As I have written about on other "threads"/sites, whatever they are on here, I recently went off Effexor and also Prozac (which was prescribed to get off the Effexor) and it has resulted in very blurry vision. I am off everything for two weeks now and doing OK. I halved my high-blood pressure meds too so know that the direutic in that was affecting eye site too. I am hoping my body will adjust and eyesight will be restored, but I'd rather be off meds and wear glasses ( : I had been on AD's since 1991 so I wanted to see if I could survive. And I am. I have learned other techniques to deal with stress (like TAT and tapping) and yoga and massage so would like to go "au naturale" if at all possible. Thus the eye problem. Too much info? Ah well, get me on the internet and I go wild. Not really. This is my first "chat" place on the internet except a short stint on Match.com( 3 months), so it is not an addiction yet ( :
Posted by over 55 on July 20, 2006, at 9:20:10
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!! » over 55, posted by Kath on July 20, 2006, at 8:24:22
Hi..again.
Duh......TAT/tapping for eyesight! See what I mean about "not thinking" of using it on everything!!
I liked the idea of using it on pets that was in the 70 pages too! Like I could hold my pets head (ha ha). I have a Scarlet Macaw who thinks it is very funny to climb on my head or back as she knows I can't get her off when she does that. She is so close to my face and eyes that I hesitate to "make her mad" at times like that, but wish I could do a little "something" to calm her down. She gets way excited when she thinks she is getting to ride on me. Then my "little" Amazon parrot comes literally running over to "protect me" and the feathers can fly!!! She is very jealous of me and I can't handle the big bird if she is out of her cage. The birds have a room where they can just be free and each is pretty territorial of their cage and space. Also have two cockateils that just try to stay out of the way ( : Makes for a lively house!! I guess I said all that to say I need to try the "stuff" on them. I have been "tapping" on big birds beak when music is on as she seems to love that. She also loves to have me blow dry her in the AM. She waddles into my bedroom when she hears the drier on and stands at my feet for a blow dry. She "sings" along with it making a humming noise. She is too funny. The birds have free reign of the house, but like I said "Carmen" rules the roost and can run the big bird back in her cage in a heartbeat. I only put them in the cage at night to sleep and big bird was kept in a cage for 5 years before I got her so she is never locked up since I got her. She is the sweetest bird. I also have Koi fish (in a pond built inside the house in the room the birds are in) and a dog (Maltese mix) and numerous "outside" cats as I live in the country. I had an inside cat for 17 yrs who died last year. ALL the animals get along and live side my side. I expected them to live that way and never had any problenm bringing a new "member" into the family. Now my boyfriend has been a different matter ( : The birds really didn't like him taking any attention from me and they have learned to tolerate one another. What is funny is when I have been gone for a few days for work and he is in charge of feeding etc, they are very friendly and let him carry them back to the cage etc. The minute I return, he is "dismissed" and they won't have anything to do with him!! And I thought cats were fickle.
I am a woman (age 58) and appreciate the hint of the book on Menapause. I am weaning off Premarin too. My massage lady was talking about getting off Premarin so I am going to give her the name of that book too. And yes, the massage was wonderful. She and I spend too much time talking though before "I shut my mouth" and relax!! She had a wonderful blend of essential oil she used that was heavenly yesterday. I told her to get me a bottle. I just could not get enough of the "smell". I almost passed out from breathing so deeply (ha ha). It had lemon, orange, petcheula (sp) (my favorte) and some other things. I love "sweet smells; not flowery, just sweet.
Well enough babbling...I do have a job and am at work ( :
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