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Re: If you Can't Say Anything Nice Talk To Me » Emily Elizabeth

Posted by Dinah on July 14, 2012, at 19:26:29

In reply to Re: If you Can't Say Anything Nice Talk To Me, posted by Emily Elizabeth on July 14, 2012, at 9:09:38

Thanks, Emily Elizabeth.

I'll agree with you about Scott. I not only appreciate his generosity in reaching out to others, but admire his ability to smooth troubled waters.

 

Re: If you Can't Say Anything Nice Talk To Me

Posted by marylou333 on July 15, 2012, at 3:31:50

In reply to Re: If you Can't Say Anything Nice Talk To Me » SLS, posted by Phillipa on July 14, 2012, at 19:26:26

Scott does not smooth troubled waters, he turn,s it into a rageing sea of upperclass waffle an one upmanship with any one who challenges his life ruining med combo,s half of which are banned in England as deemed unsafe.The reason we dont get meds combos of many med,s in ENGLAND is cost, you will find that out for yourself when you adopt our system . Plus most shrink.s dont have faith in any MEDS. plus we tend to take less as we prefere sex an weight nutral to fat zombie.your tight little commuity is broken by phillipa who updates, me 2 times a week wether i want to or not.A lady giveing advice an is the main block causer over years with email harassment, jesus her 3 kids have disowned her.Bob never blocked her , instead blocked the people she harrased as she used email to inform bob of any inside rebelion she weasled out of PM posters she got me blocked numourous time an still emails me, an yes i talk to her no grude held, its her illness so i except it.I am mad at the way i was treated as i am just the same on rethink mental health and have many friends for saying it like it is, we have a forum called the kitchen were you say what you like within reason an not get banned, but only inthis kitchen forum, also we have an edit button so people like me can go over an look for dyslexic spelling.you can edit but not deleat.You really carnt survive without interacting with the real world not 20 years ago todays world. an answer all embarrasing questions,like sex something most of you have forgot mabye years ago with combo impotent probs. You carnt survive on just a medication forum but i fear you carnt change, nobody can interact with todays young drug induced mentally ill. An scott im not in a bad place , i take minimum meds 100mg sertraline an 4mg ativan 2mg 6am 2mg9pm its near on part of my DNA .I do have scar,s from earlier on 12mg a day ativan washed down with 1Lt of vodka.I have been hospitalized with pancritis 3 times, gall bladder removed , bile track ruptured. kidney low function strangly not liver.my colesterol is high tyroid all over the place stomach meds dayly for lineing protection.I get by on the least shrink meds i can i live on the edge of med help maybe us brits are made of stronger stuff.Why not just have a babble old days forum AN ALL WOLLOW IN THE GOD THAT IS BOB

 

Smoothing troubled waters? » Dinah

Posted by zazenducke on July 15, 2012, at 6:17:30

In reply to Re: If you Can't Say Anything Nice Talk To Me » Emily Elizabeth, posted by Dinah on July 14, 2012, at 19:26:29

I would disagree with this characterization of Scotts contribution to this thread. Of course with Scott it's always a little difficult to ferret out the meaning of his verbal productions:)so who knows for sure?

 

Go wash the dishes or something

Posted by Emme_V2 on July 15, 2012, at 8:08:19

In reply to Smoothing troubled waters? » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on July 15, 2012, at 6:17:30

Don't people have anything better to do than write vitriol about other people on a board that's supposed to be for mutual support? I just don't get it. There are so many better ways to spend one's energy. There are nice people here. Scott and Dinah are two of them. What's up with the harshness against them? (That was a rhetorical question.) Can the board get back to the mutual support thing?

 

Re: Go wash the dishes or something (nm) » Emme_V2

Posted by zazenducke on July 15, 2012, at 8:30:52

In reply to Go wash the dishes or something, posted by Emme_V2 on July 15, 2012, at 8:08:19

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » zazenducke

Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 8:52:12

In reply to Smoothing troubled waters? » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on July 15, 2012, at 6:17:30

I was speaking of Scott in general. Many is the time that I've seen him defuse a situation.

I daresay even the most peaceloving of people reach their limit eventually when provoked. Your style of address to Scott is pretty consistent. As it is to me, and to most deputies/ex-deputies, and a few other people you seem to connect with the administration.

Did I see mocking mentioned in that quote you gave? The one that started

"Norwegian researcher Dan Olweus defines bullying as when a person is

"exposed, repeatedly and over time, to negative actions on the part of one or more other persons.""

You keep mentioning snark and snorts long after their have been any snark or snorts. Why bring up things from years and years ago over and over again long after the events have ended and not been repeated? Out of context and with no provocation? Do you not see that as exposing another person repeatedly and over time to negative actions on the part of another?

Even if you believe that a person enforcing site guidelines because they believe in site guidelines is bullying, do you not see that clever remarks by a clever poster made consistently over time fits the criteria as well? Even under your understanding of it?

I give you the credit of believing that you are railing against perceived power and believe yourself justified. I give you this credit because I see you posting quite kindly to people whom you perceive as having no power. And because I see you intervening in the same sort of situations I wish to intervene in. But do you not see your own use of power? Do you never question whether it's really ok to treat others the way you do because of how you perceive them?

Look in the mirror, zzd. Even your own mirror with your own world view.

If I didn't credit you with decent motives, I wouldn't be trying to say this to you. And it could be that I'm wrong to do that. But I wonder if you try to change your attitude towards those you perceive as misusing power, you might learn to feel differently. I'm reasonably certain that Scott would also be willing to try a reset. I've always expressed my willingness to do so. And for that matter, my experience with you has not been consistently negative. I've quite enjoyed some of our interchanges and many of your positive and helpful interchanges with others.

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters?

Posted by zazenducke on July 15, 2012, at 9:18:39

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » zazenducke, posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 8:52:12

Dinah if I bring up things from years ago it's because I was blocked for years at a time. That's what I remember.

I believe the effects of the bullying on Babble by the deputies will last for a long long time for fragile people.

I will never forget when you blocked Brio after he had survived Katrina. THAT is bullying. And YOU are responsible. It was your choice.

I pointed out this comment because it is typical of the passive aggressive attacks that were made within the limits of civility by deputies ;) for so many years but if you were referring to Scott in general of course you are strictly in the clear! I thought you were complimenting him on his "pot stirring" and sarcasm on this thread.

My mistake.

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » zazenducke

Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 10:00:43

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters?, posted by zazenducke on July 15, 2012, at 9:18:39

I don't like commenting on particular instances. But had I understood the situation with Brio after Katrina, I wouldn't have followed what I saw as my duty under site guidelines and blocked him. I do think there are instances when breaking site guidelines is understandable and should be overlooked, and Katrina is definitely one of them. I believe I expressed my regret at the time, and I regret it this long time after. Had I been able to undo it once I understood, I would have. I couldn't. Perhaps Katrina contributed to my own slow comprehension of the realities of the situation. I was distraught myself, and in fact stepped down as deputy for a while, if I remember correctly.

But also perhaps when certain things are expected from people, it's too easy to see those things in their behavior. I won't deny that I am human in that regard. And I'm glad that you see it is also possible for you. I have long thought you interpreted some of my posts in a manner I never meant them. I am not really all that clever in my posts. The most earnest and dull interpretation is likely the correct one. I suffer from scrupulousness in the OCD sense. My posts reflect that.

I will concede that the effect of the subconscious can't be discounted. However, yesterday my subconscious was innocent.

Thank you for your apology. I appreciate that.

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters?

Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 10:12:13

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » zazenducke, posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 10:00:43

Regret is such an inadequate word. Or perhaps it's used in too many circumstances. One regrets declining a kind invitation.

Yet I can also regret causing pain, a pain I could empathize with only too well. Regret can lay like a leaden ball in the belly.

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters?

Posted by Phillipa on July 15, 2012, at 10:34:14

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters?, posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 10:12:13

I thought the entire thread had disappeared. I'm sorry to see what was meant as a thread to restore harmony and caring to people's responses turn into a in my opinion a horrible thread. Seems doesn't matter the topic it turns and becomes rather nasty at time. Also surprised to see blocked poster poster again. And Dinah you in my opinion are and always have been sweet and kind and fair. I hope you are better today. And here I thought the thread had disappeared. No notifications that threads are being redirected anymore. Also is there a reason that after you click on a post that it no longer changes color so you know where you have read too? Phillipa

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » Phillipa

Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 10:55:01

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters?, posted by Phillipa on July 15, 2012, at 10:34:14

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20120630/msgs/1021427.html

There was a redirect. When the posts are transferred over, apparently the browser sees them as new posts so don't show as read. I've never been entirely sure of how you access Babble. You've mentioned google, etc. in ways I don't understand. Do you mean that Babble is your homepage?

Thank you for your kind words. I'm ok, Phillipa.

I was worried myself whether you meant me by your initial post. I think posts pointing out bad behavior by unmentioned posters might leave many posters feeling a bit defensive. Posters you never had in mind. But it probably wouldn't be all that helpful to clarify.

Perhaps a supportive statement on the original thread might be the best option? Much like the one you made about me. That way if there is incivility, at least the poster on the receiving end of it won't feel alone and abandoned, or as if everyone on the site agreed. I remember from middle school that that was the worst part of it.

And I'm entirely in favor of complaining about Bob's abandonment.

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » Dinah

Posted by Phillipa on July 15, 2012, at 19:42:53

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 10:55:01

Dinah just clicked the redirect post as sometimes don't have time to finish messages. To answer your question I guess technically I don't have a homepage. When I open my computer it goes to mail first. And I scan what is there. I do not have a google bar on there hence I access babble and use the one on bottom of page. Habit and also the way this computer was configurated when bought it. I recall reading some posts that just sounded more accusatory than supportive hence the thread.I do believe the poster in question changed their posting style soon after this thread was posted. Phillipa

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters?

Posted by Twinleaf on July 16, 2012, at 1:00:14

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » Dinah, posted by Phillipa on July 15, 2012, at 19:42:53

It's very distressing to see how many destructive posts there have been here lately. It seems so ironic that, when there were almost incessant civility warnings and blocks, most of them were for very minor things, often so minor that it was not even clear why they were given. Now there are posts clearly aimed to hurt. We really do need monitoring for these destructive posts, although it seems pretty clear that we are not going to get it. This board has been through a lot, but it still has a lot of vital information and available support and understanding to offer. There are very few places like this. However,I see these negative posts as being very damaging to the positive values which still remain here. If they continue, they will make the board unsafe for everyone, but especially for new posters, who will be even less able to take them in stride than the rest of us.

I think it is vital to a mental health forum that it's members treat one another with respect, as this indicates that they respect and care about themselves as they should. Everyone here should, firstly, be a thoughtful and responsible human being. Having an emotional or mental disorder is only a part of who they are. It does not entitle them to disrespect or hurt others.

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » Twinleaf

Posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 5:10:00

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters?, posted by Twinleaf on July 16, 2012, at 1:00:14

I was worried myself whether you meant me by your initial post. I think posts pointing out bad behavior by unmentioned posters might leave many posters feeling a bit defensive. Posters you never had in mind. But it probably wouldn't be all that helpful to clarify.

Dinah

Maybe Dinah has a point?

Might be more productive to reach out to newcomers with help and advice? I don't know *shrug*

Maryann is a helpful and insightful person who reaches out to others. I noticed she posted a link to some great music for Phil who posted about being suicidal the other day and hasn't been heard from lately. Maybe try something like that?

Just a thought

> It's very distressing to see how many destructive posts there have been here lately. It seems so ironic that, when there were almost incessant civility warnings and blocks, most of them were for very minor things, often so minor that it was not even clear why they were given. Now there are posts clearly aimed to hurt. We really do need monitoring for these destructive posts, although it seems pretty clear that we are not going to get it. This board has been through a lot, but it still has a lot of vital information and available support and understanding to offer. There are very few places like this. However,I see these negative posts as being very damaging to the positive values which still remain here. If they continue, they will make the board unsafe for everyone, but especially for new posters, who will be even less able to take them in stride than the rest of us.
>
> I think it is vital to a mental health forum that it's members treat one another with respect, as this indicates that they respect and care about themselves as they should. Everyone here should, firstly, be a thoughtful and responsible human being. Having an emotional or mental disorder is only a part of who they are. It does not entitle them to disrespect or hurt others.

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » Dinah

Posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 5:51:28

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » zazenducke, posted by Dinah on July 15, 2012, at 8:52:12


Dinah I don't know what you are referring to about my manner of address to
Scott. I tried my best to deflect his sarcasm and unkind implications with good humor and refusal to take offense. I have never thought of Scott as someone in authority or as part of the administration. I do not have any particular manner of address toward him. I have not tried to provoke him intentionally. I have felt a bit harassed by him in the last few months but I try to avoid him for the most part and not engage with him and will renew my efforts. I think you missed the mark there Dinah. But I will take your feedback into consideration.

I'm sorry you feel like I am mocking you. I don't see it that way. Maybe it's your attitude toward me?

Would you feel better if Bob came back and blocked me for two years (because you are a former deputy) and rounded it off to one of course? I'm genuinely curious. You said in the past you thought some people should be blocked permanently did you mean me?

It honestly wouldn't matter to me at this point.

Of course this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you are a good person even if you refuse to change your attitude. I'm honestly pretty unlikely to change mine either.


> I was speaking of Scott in general. Many is the time that I've seen him defuse a situation.
>
> I daresay even the most peaceloving of people reach their limit eventually when provoked. Your style of address to Scott is pretty consistent. As it is to me, and to most deputies/ex-deputies, and a few other people you seem to connect with the administration.
>
> Did I see mocking mentioned in that quote you gave? The one that started
>
> "Norwegian researcher Dan Olweus defines bullying as when a person is
>
> "exposed, repeatedly and over time, to negative actions on the part of one or more other persons.""
>
> You keep mentioning snark and snorts long after their have been any snark or snorts. Why bring up things from years and years ago over and over again long after the events have ended and not been repeated? Out of context and with no provocation? Do you not see that as exposing another person repeatedly and over time to negative actions on the part of another?
>
> Even if you believe that a person enforcing site guidelines because they believe in site guidelines is bullying, do you not see that clever remarks by a clever poster made consistently over time fits the criteria as well? Even under your understanding of it?
>
> I give you the credit of believing that you are railing against perceived power and believe yourself justified. I give you this credit because I see you posting quite kindly to people whom you perceive as having no power. And because I see you intervening in the same sort of situations I wish to intervene in. But do you not see your own use of power? Do you never question whether it's really ok to treat others the way you do because of how you perceive them?
>
> Look in the mirror, zzd. Even your own mirror with your own world view.
>
> If I didn't credit you with decent motives, I wouldn't be trying to say this to you. And it could be that I'm wrong to do that. But I wonder if you try to change your attitude towards those you perceive as misusing power, you might learn to feel differently. I'm reasonably certain that Scott would also be willing to try a reset. I've always expressed my willingness to do so. And for that matter, my experience with you has not been consistently negative. I've quite enjoyed some of our interchanges and many of your positive and helpful interchanges with others.

 

Re: correction

Posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 7:25:58

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » Twinleaf, posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 5:10:00

I meant Marylou333 not maryanne of course. Sorry.


> I was worried myself whether you meant me by your initial post. I think posts pointing out bad behavior by unmentioned posters might leave many posters feeling a bit defensive. Posters you never had in mind. But it probably wouldn't be all that helpful to clarify.
>
> Dinah
>
> Maybe Dinah has a point?
>
> Might be more productive to reach out to newcomers with help and advice? I don't know *shrug*
>
> Maryann is a helpful and insightful person who reaches out to others. I noticed she posted a link to some great music for Phil who posted about being suicidal the other day and hasn't been heard from lately. Maybe try something like that?
>
> Just a thought
>
>
>
> > It's very distressing to see how many destructive posts there have been here lately. It seems so ironic that, when there were almost incessant civility warnings and blocks, most of them were for very minor things, often so minor that it was not even clear why they were given. Now there are posts clearly aimed to hurt. We really do need monitoring for these destructive posts, although it seems pretty clear that we are not going to get it. This board has been through a lot, but it still has a lot of vital information and available support and understanding to offer. There are very few places like this. However,I see these negative posts as being very damaging to the positive values which still remain here. If they continue, they will make the board unsafe for everyone, but especially for new posters, who will be even less able to take them in stride than the rest of us.
> >
> > I think it is vital to a mental health forum that it's members treat one another with respect, as this indicates that they respect and care about themselves as they should. Everyone here should, firstly, be a thoughtful and responsible human being. Having an emotional or mental disorder is only a part of who they are. It does not entitle them to disrespect or hurt others.
>
>

 

Re: correction

Posted by ron1953 on July 16, 2012, at 10:23:22

In reply to Re: correction, posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 7:25:58

A recurring theme that I see here as well as on other online fora, is the apparent inability of some members to simply ignore those posts (or posters) which aren't interesting or aren't liked. Just like in real life, everything that one sees or hears cannot be controlled or filtered, and due to the limitations of the written word (lack of voice inflection, facial expression, body language), misunderstandings are inevitable.

Unlike choosing one's friends or choosing one's therapist, being an active member of an online forum poses the distinct possibility of continually bumping into folks who may not share or even support your particular view. It's the nature of the beast, and all the pissing and moaning about it won't change that fact. And being a "mental health" forum doesn't seem any different from others - I've been a member of guitar forums that are just as (if not more so) volatile. And the subject of moderation on those boards was just as divided.

I know that I have certainly failed on numerous occasions to just ignore some stuff, but I refuse to put the responsibility on others to post in such a way that it won't upset me.

 

Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » zazenducke

Posted by Dinah on July 16, 2012, at 11:34:32

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 5:51:28

I don't at all wish for you to be blocked. Even if Dr. Bob were to come to the board, which I very much doubt, my hope is that he wouldn't do a darn thing about anything you've said about me. I've appreciated what I thought was an honest discussion of the conflict between us. I don't feel disrespected by the discussion.

I've never thought you should be permanently blocked. I don't remember thinking that about anyone in recent memory. For the most part, my belief is that a year was far too long, if the poster was willing to live by the site guidelines. And not long enough if the poster was not willing to live by site guidelines. The appropriate length of time for a block should be as long as the poster is unwilling to make an effort to follow Dr. Bob's rules. I was always in favor of a poster being allowed to request a shortening of a block after discussion with Dr. Bob, as long as Dr. Bob made some announcement of the fact. I think Dr. Bob's position has been that repeated violations of civility rules demonstrate better than words a poster's future intentions. I disagree. I think a lot of violations come from not understanding what he wishes, and/or anger at the perception that the poster is not understood by Dr. Bob. Not all, but a lot. Some come from a fundamental disagreement with the idea that speech shouldn't be entirely free. I do think it's reasonable to expect people who choose to post here to also choose to follow site guidelines.

Of course, this is currently a moot point. And even before Bob abandoned us, he seemed to be coming to a different conclusion on the matter. Perhaps because the board is smaller and was less likely to be overwhelming to him? He has never had unlimited time to administrate.

I'm sorry you don't feel like you can change your opinion of me. I know you won't believe this, but you really have little to wish changed in my overall view of you. I've been a little afraid to open your posts since I became a deputy. But my feelings to you have always been largely positive. Even when I see people I like very much feeling hurt over what you've said (whether or not you meant to hurt them), I have maintained a positive view of you. And have expressed that positive view in what I thought was a pretty open manner. Perhaps I didn't convey my opinion clearly enough.

Perhaps some of the problem comes from our differing styles of communication. You have a charmingly playful way of communicating, while I am rather literal and earnest. I can admire your style of posting without necessarily understanding you all the time. So that when you say, for example, that you are confident that I am mentally ill or mention posts that I feel rather sensitive about, I *wish* to take that in the positive sense of understanding that I suffer the same distress as many people on Babble or that you've appreciated my contributions. But I'm always a bit afraid that that's not how you intend it. Perhaps if you see me posting defensively, you could let me know if I'm misinterpreting. And I could ask you if I am afraid I am being mocked, instead of being defensive myself.

If you feel that Scott is being sarcastic towards you, and Scott is perhaps feeling defensive towards how he sees you as posting, perhaps both of you are merely responding defensively. If you start the dance over again, and keep in mind that misunderstandings might be causing defensiveness, maybe you could change the tenor of the relationship.

Even if different communication styles lead to an inability to really be in rapport with one another, perhaps we could at least manage to avoid upsetting each other to the extent possible?

If you see me currently bullying someone, I wouldn't mind if you pointed out that I might be inadvertently being less than supportive. As long as you don't prejudge my motives, I am pretty good at self examination. I do feel a bit defensive when I think someone is judging me unfairly. And I would wish that your perceptions of my past behavior not be brought up unless clearly in context. Is there anything I currently do to you that you might wish I would change?

I have been unhappy, this past many years, to be in conflict with someone I have always liked and enjoyed, if not completely understood. I'd like that to change, even if your underlying feelings about me cannot change.

 

Ain't It The Truth

Posted by ron1953 on July 16, 2012, at 13:42:39

In reply to Re: Smoothing troubled waters? » zazenducke, posted by Dinah on July 16, 2012, at 11:34:32

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

 

Re: Ain't It The Truth » ron1953

Posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 18:57:23

In reply to Ain't It The Truth, posted by ron1953 on July 16, 2012, at 13:42:39

> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

What in the #@#$#$^$^%$%^&%#$ is that supposed to mean???????? I'm pushing the naughty button on you!!!!

Zazenducke
Champion of TRUTH and Defender of RIGHT

 

Re: Ain't It The Truth » zazenducke

Posted by Phillipa on July 16, 2012, at 21:00:02

In reply to Re: Ain't It The Truth » ron1953, posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 18:57:23

In the years I've been here I seriously until now met you. Where did you used to post board wise? Phillipa

 

Re: Ain't It The Truth

Posted by ron1953 on July 16, 2012, at 21:36:22

In reply to Re: Ain't It The Truth » ron1953, posted by zazenducke on July 16, 2012, at 18:57:23

> I'm pushing the naughty button on you!!!!
>

http://idiotflashback.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/mr-bill.jpg

 

:-) (nm) » ron1953

Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 16, 2012, at 22:21:09

In reply to Ain't It The Truth, posted by ron1953 on July 16, 2012, at 13:42:39

 

Lou's response-dhakruckz » zazenducke

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 17, 2012, at 21:31:34

In reply to Re: If you Can't Say Anything Nice Say Nothing, posted by zazenducke on July 14, 2012, at 19:26:25

> Dinah has permission to engage in therapy at will as long as it doesn't interfere with her wifely duties. (Sorry I couldn't resist I always thought that was one of the all time funniest posts)
>
>
>
>
> > I an a lurker , but to me all the mods had many flaw,s to judge posts. Take Dinah, many problems herself, carnt even function without a theropist for 20 years. Who needs theropist for 20 year,s thats not healthy, her husband must feel a little inadequate. Theropy that long is wrong what more can be said after 20 years you carn tell you husband. Totally wrong to judge other peoples post when she needs a theropist herself just to survive. Dinah what if he dies tommorow do you.
>
> Friends,
It is written here,[...What if he dies tomorrow...?].
I wonder who here can see into that statement and know what could be the main part of what I could post here, if there were not the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung.
You see, the statment is simple, yet profound, if you knew of what I could post here that IMHO could save your life and the lives of others and prevent people from getting a life-ruining condition/addiction and lead one out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light.
Maybe some will see in this simple statement an opening into a new life, having new heart and a new spirit and be in a realm of peace and joy.
Can you see it? Does the light of revelation shine on you now when you read that statement? Does the light awaken you so that you want to go toward that light? Do you see a new life that has a new king? A new king in a new kingdom.
If you do, the light of healing can come to you. It will come at a dark hour, like at before dawn like the morning star and arise as a Sun of righteousness with healing in his wings. Gone will be the dark clouds, gone will be the cold winds. And the water of life will bring forth the bud in that day when you see what that statement says. Can you see it? If not, you could email me if you like, or read my outstanding requests to Mr Hsiung on the admin board.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's response-dhakruckz

Posted by zazenducke on July 18, 2012, at 7:34:30

In reply to Lou's response-dhakruckz » zazenducke, posted by Lou Pilder on July 17, 2012, at 21:31:34

You will go out in joy and be led forth in peace. The mountains and hills will break out in singing and all the trees of the fields will clap their hands.

Bob Hsuing has never been my king:) but that's a good reminder.

Going out in joy
Z


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