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Posted by 3 Beer Effect on November 28, 2001, at 11:31:15
pretty dissapointing...right now I take 0.5 mg of klonopin 2x per day. Doesn't seem to be helping as much with social phobia/social disinhibition as I thought it would. Pyschiatrist said that "klonopin is addictive...blah, blah, blah. I think in the case of Klonopin, a drug that takes 2 hours to work (so there is no immediate gratification), & causes grogginess rather than euphoria in overdose, that it is not addictive in sensible dosages- Xanax & Ativan are probably much more addictive (immediate gratification). Most of the time you cannot even tell that the Klonopin is working.
So then I suggested that we change my 20 mg/ starting dose of Celexa to 40 mg & he agreed, although I was counting on the Klonopin to counteract the anxiety induced by a change to a higher dose of Celexa.
Frustrated by these turn of events, I suggested Neurontin, which he said is a good medicine & is non addictive, but that he doesn't want me on too many medications at once.
Oh well, perhaps I should just take 1.0 mg of Klonopin with breakfast & then take Benadryl kapseals(diphenhydramine) 50 mg at night to help with nighttime sleeplessness/anxiety? Benadryl is an old drug & is over the counter, but it is powerful stuff! Sometimes I think it works better than Klonopin for nervousness/ssri induced anxiety/insomnia.
-3 Beer Effect
Posted by Krazy Kat on November 28, 2001, at 15:58:06
In reply to Klonopin increase turned down by psychdoc, posted by 3 Beer Effect on November 28, 2001, at 11:31:15
Man, this is exactly the kind of thing I am worried about. I want to suggest adding a benzo to my mix, mainly to help with alcohol cravings, but am afraid my pdoc will react the same way yours did.
I don't understand his reluctance to add Neurontin, even with the increase in Celexa (some docs like to only change one thing at a time, as I'm sure you know). I have taken Neurontin - it is very mild, from all accounts, and low side effect profile. But it does really help some folks. I think that was an excellent suggestion!
I didn't have anxiety problems with Celexa, but I did/do with Prozac. Hopefully, you won't either.
I hope he'll reconsider Neurontin next you go in. Most people take a variety of meds to a benefit, so I find it odd that that's his concern.
- K.
Posted by geno on November 28, 2001, at 17:00:13
In reply to Re: Klonopin increase turned down by psychdoc » 3 Beer Effect, posted by Krazy Kat on November 28, 2001, at 15:58:06
> Man, this is exactly the kind of thing I am worried about. I want to suggest adding a benzo to my mix, mainly to help with alcohol cravings, but am afraid my pdoc will react the same way yours did.
>
> I don't understand his reluctance to add Neurontin, even with the increase in Celexa (some docs like to only change one thing at a time, as I'm sure you know). I have taken Neurontin - it is very mild, from all accounts, and low side effect profile. But it does really help some folks. I think that was an excellent suggestion!
>
> I didn't have anxiety problems with Celexa, but I did/do with Prozac. Hopefully, you won't either.
>
> I hope he'll reconsider Neurontin next you go in. Most people take a variety of meds to a benefit, so I find it odd that that's his concern.
>
> - K.
3 beers,
why dont you just take remeron. Its like an antidepressant, antianxiety, antihistamine, all in one. Very good ad, and DOES NOT in any way cause initial anixety or nausea. Within 1 hour after ingesting 30mg tablet, i feel sleepy, relaxed, and fall asleep for 8 hrs give or take.
Remeron beat prozac for depression in extensive studies. ALso prescork.com states adding another ssri, I prefer 100mg 5htp, help alot with depression. Adding .5mg a day of xanax wipes out anxiety. No other sleep med needed.
remeron is a life savor for people with anxiety and sleep disorder with major adjitated depression. effexor xr and remeron are touted the california rocket fuel combo. I have yet to try both.
BUT LIKE YOU i still have social phobia. I guess for now we have to stick with beer or ghb >CHUCKLE!geno
Posted by 3 Beer Effect on November 28, 2001, at 17:38:40
In reply to Re: Klonopin increase turned down by psychdoc, posted by geno on November 28, 2001, at 17:00:13
> > Man, this is exactly the kind of thing I am worried about. I want to suggest adding a benzo to my mix, mainly to help with alcohol cravings, but am afraid my pdoc will react the same way yours did.
> >
> > I don't understand his reluctance to add Neurontin, even with the increase in Celexa (some docs like to only change one thing at a time, as I'm sure you know). I have taken Neurontin - it is very mild, from all accounts, and low side effect profile. But it does really help some folks. I think that was an excellent suggestion!
> >
> > I didn't have anxiety problems with Celexa, but I did/do with Prozac. Hopefully, you won't either.
> >
> > I hope he'll reconsider Neurontin next you go in. Most people take a variety of meds to a benefit, so I find it odd that that's his concern.
> >
> > - K.
>
>
> 3 beers,
> why dont you just take remeron. Its like an antidepressant, antianxiety, antihistamine, all in one. Very good ad, and DOES NOT in any way cause initial anixety or nausea. Within 1 hour after ingesting 30mg tablet, i feel sleepy, relaxed, and fall asleep for 8 hrs give or take.
> Remeron beat prozac for depression in extensive studies. ALso prescork.com states adding another ssri, I prefer 100mg 5htp, help alot with depression. Adding .5mg a day of xanax wipes out anxiety. No other sleep med needed.
> remeron is a life savor for people with anxiety and sleep disorder with major adjitated depression. effexor xr and remeron are touted the california rocket fuel combo. I have yet to try both.
> BUT LIKE YOU i still have social phobia. I guess for now we have to stick with beer or ghb >CHUCKLE!I tried remeron- that is the reason I basically failed out of my senior year of college, but fortunately my psychdoc wrote a note so I got a medical withdrawl instead of all F's and can go back next fall. I was on Remeron 45 mg (higher doses of remeron are less sedating) and slept 17 hrs per day & couldn't get out of bed to go to class. Also, as an Anti-depressant it had no effect for me at all- I stayed in my room all day at school and never came out & talked to anyone. I talked to lots of people when I took Zoloft 100 mg but I couldn't sleep & had chest pain- one time I didn't sleep for five days in a row! Effexor XR- this stuff was evil, it made me horribly depressed, an insomniac, nervous, & I felt like I was going to have a heart attack.
>
> geno
Posted by geno on November 28, 2001, at 19:36:48
In reply to tried remeron then effexor xr, posted by 3 Beer Effect on November 28, 2001, at 17:38:40
> > > Man, this is exactly the kind of thing I am worried about. I want to suggest adding a benzo to my mix, mainly to help with alcohol cravings, but am afraid my pdoc will react the same way yours did.
> > >
> > > I don't understand his reluctance to add Neurontin, even with the increase in Celexa (some docs like to only change one thing at a time, as I'm sure you know). I have taken Neurontin - it is very mild, from all accounts, and low side effect profile. But it does really help some folks. I think that was an excellent suggestion!
> > >
> > > I didn't have anxiety problems with Celexa, but I did/do with Prozac. Hopefully, you won't either.
> > >
> > > I hope he'll reconsider Neurontin next you go in. Most people take a variety of meds to a benefit, so I find it odd that that's his concern.
> > >
> > > - K.
> >
> >
> > 3 beers,
> > why dont you just take remeron. Its like an antidepressant, antianxiety, antihistamine, all in one. Very good ad, and DOES NOT in any way cause initial anixety or nausea. Within 1 hour after ingesting 30mg tablet, i feel sleepy, relaxed, and fall asleep for 8 hrs give or take.
> > Remeron beat prozac for depression in extensive studies. ALso prescork.com states adding another ssri, I prefer 100mg 5htp, help alot with depression. Adding .5mg a day of xanax wipes out anxiety. No other sleep med needed.
> > remeron is a life savor for people with anxiety and sleep disorder with major adjitated depression. effexor xr and remeron are touted the california rocket fuel combo. I have yet to try both.
> > BUT LIKE YOU i still have social phobia. I guess for now we have to stick with beer or ghb >CHUCKLE!
>
> I tried remeron- that is the reason I basically failed out of my senior year of college, but fortunately my psychdoc wrote a note so I got a medical withdrawl instead of all F's and can go back next fall. I was on Remeron 45 mg (higher doses of remeron are less sedating) and slept 17 hrs per day & couldn't get out of bed to go to class. Also, as an Anti-depressant it had no effect for me at all- I stayed in my room all day at school and never came out & talked to anyone. I talked to lots of people when I took Zoloft 100 mg but I couldn't sleep & had chest pain- one time I didn't sleep for five days in a row! Effexor XR- this stuff was evil, it made me horribly depressed, an insomniac, nervous, & I felt like I was going to have a heart attack.
> >
> > genoEFFEXOR should be banned. To me, my ex pdoc started me on 150mg, After 4hours, i felt like i was on a bad LSD/extacy trip for a day. I had to pop 1mg of xanax to calm down.
Remeron is a good med for me to calm down. I continue to use ghb because most of these meds i get on suck. I give them a try, even stopping ghb and alcohol, and nothin works. Im still very antisocial until i cap up. even xanax just makes me wanna sit in my house and watch tv.
I dont know. Most docs say, ya your an addict, BLa bla but fuck, at least invent some kind of med that helps social phobia, without weeks of anxiety, insomina, nausea. even 2 days of this is detrimental.
geno
Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 28, 2001, at 19:48:09
In reply to Re: tried remeron then effexor xr, posted by geno on November 28, 2001, at 19:36:48
Effexor banned???? Oh my, I hope not! Effexor literally saved my life.
P.L.
> > > > Man, this is exactly the kind of thing I am worried about. I want to suggest adding a benzo to my mix, mainly to help with alcohol cravings, but am afraid my pdoc will react the same way yours did.
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand his reluctance to add Neurontin, even with the increase in Celexa (some docs like to only change one thing at a time, as I'm sure you know). I have taken Neurontin - it is very mild, from all accounts, and low side effect profile. But it does really help some folks. I think that was an excellent suggestion!
> > > >
> > > > I didn't have anxiety problems with Celexa, but I did/do with Prozac. Hopefully, you won't either.
> > > >
> > > > I hope he'll reconsider Neurontin next you go in. Most people take a variety of meds to a benefit, so I find it odd that that's his concern.
> > > >
> > > > - K.
> > >
> > >
> > > 3 beers,
> > > why dont you just take remeron. Its like an antidepressant, antianxiety, antihistamine, all in one. Very good ad, and DOES NOT in any way cause initial anixety or nausea. Within 1 hour after ingesting 30mg tablet, i feel sleepy, relaxed, and fall asleep for 8 hrs give or take.
> > > Remeron beat prozac for depression in extensive studies. ALso prescork.com states adding another ssri, I prefer 100mg 5htp, help alot with depression. Adding .5mg a day of xanax wipes out anxiety. No other sleep med needed.
> > > remeron is a life savor for people with anxiety and sleep disorder with major adjitated depression. effexor xr and remeron are touted the california rocket fuel combo. I have yet to try both.
> > > BUT LIKE YOU i still have social phobia. I guess for now we have to stick with beer or ghb >CHUCKLE!
> >
> > I tried remeron- that is the reason I basically failed out of my senior year of college, but fortunately my psychdoc wrote a note so I got a medical withdrawl instead of all F's and can go back next fall. I was on Remeron 45 mg (higher doses of remeron are less sedating) and slept 17 hrs per day & couldn't get out of bed to go to class. Also, as an Anti-depressant it had no effect for me at all- I stayed in my room all day at school and never came out & talked to anyone. I talked to lots of people when I took Zoloft 100 mg but I couldn't sleep & had chest pain- one time I didn't sleep for five days in a row! Effexor XR- this stuff was evil, it made me horribly depressed, an insomniac, nervous, & I felt like I was going to have a heart attack.
> > >
> > > geno
>
> EFFEXOR should be banned. To me, my ex pdoc started me on 150mg, After 4hours, i felt like i was on a bad LSD/extacy trip for a day. I had to pop 1mg of xanax to calm down.
> Remeron is a good med for me to calm down. I continue to use ghb because most of these meds i get on suck. I give them a try, even stopping ghb and alcohol, and nothin works. Im still very antisocial until i cap up. even xanax just makes me wanna sit in my house and watch tv.
> I dont know. Most docs say, ya your an addict, BLa bla but fuck, at least invent some kind of med that helps social phobia, without weeks of anxiety, insomina, nausea. even 2 days of this is detrimental.
> geno
Posted by gilbert on November 28, 2001, at 23:05:36
In reply to Re: tried remeron then effexor xr » geno, posted by Pamela Lynn on November 28, 2001, at 19:48:09
Time to find a doctor that is out of the 1990's and in the new millenium. Benzos are effective, benzos can be addictive but rarley get used that way by people with anxiety. SSRI's also have withdrawal factors, SSRI's can cause anxiety and panic. The whole seratonin theory and gaba theory is all just that theory. Benzos have less side effects, like my wife doesn't need to hire a boyfriend. etc etc etc. If the doc likes Celexa so much let him take 40 mg for a few months I gaurantee he won't tolerate the inability to climax not to mention the jumpiness without a good dose of booze or benzo's. When the doctors stop getting wined and dined by all these drug comanies maybe people will actually begin to get well. Get a new doc get on an effective dose of klonopin or xanax and get on with your life....recommended dosages for panic and social phobia would show you are undermedicated not overmedicated. Look up pdocs on the internet who specialize in panic......Lee Granholm, Stuart Shipko etc....none of them suggest using ssris in place of benzos, when the patents run out on paxil, zolft, and celexa they will push something else down out throats.
Gil
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 28, 2001, at 23:38:01
In reply to Re: tried remeron then effexor xr, posted by geno on November 28, 2001, at 19:36:48
> I dont know. Most docs say, ya your an addict, BLa bla but fuck
I asked you before to be more careful about the language you used, so now I'm going to block you for one week.
Bob
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