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Posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 13:25:22
ok, so i got some klonopin from a friend to try out... she gave me 1mg pills which i broke into quarters... so i'm only trying .25mg at a time
took one yesterday morning about 5:30am with my other meds and felt ok but i did seem more hungry than usual... took another one at 5:30pm and it knocked me out... i overate just to stay awake to watch the tour de france stuff on tv but gave in at 8pm and crashed...
when i first woke up, i felt groggy so i didn't take any with my meds... but about 2hrs later when the meds were really kicking in and i felt that frozen nervousness taking over, i took one... now i've pretty much just felt like shit today... no motivation, fatigued, flat...awful... yet i can still feel my heart doing its racing dance... and i'm still frozen in place - just want to go home and pull the covers over my headis the klonopin disagreeing with me? after all i'd heard about it anti-anxiety properties, i'm so disappointed...
might it be poorly interacting with my other meds: concerta, wellbutrin & effexor? or does it need more time before working?i see my pdoc next week... i was hoping to be able to suggest something to make me feel better...i'm considering neurontin as well but don't have access to it for a test drive... :)
any info would be appreciated... thanks
v
Posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 17:04:50
In reply to is it the klonopin?, posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 13:25:22
btw, i had hardly any appetite today and when a flurry of activity hit at work i became my usual hyper nutty self, cranking everything out fast like i'm in a race... but i did manage to take a deep breath afterwards and noticed i then felt better...
so was my black, foul mood due to the klonopin?
i guess i just don't know...
but how long can i expect before i notice anything?thanks again for any help,
v> ok, so i got some klonopin from a friend to try out... she gave me 1mg pills which i broke into quarters... so i'm only trying .25mg at a time
>
> took one yesterday morning about 5:30am with my other meds and felt ok but i did seem more hungry than usual... took another one at 5:30pm and it knocked me out... i overate just to stay awake to watch the tour de france stuff on tv but gave in at 8pm and crashed...
> when i first woke up, i felt groggy so i didn't take any with my meds... but about 2hrs later when the meds were really kicking in and i felt that frozen nervousness taking over, i took one... now i've pretty much just felt like shit today... no motivation, fatigued, flat...awful... yet i can still feel my heart doing its racing dance... and i'm still frozen in place - just want to go home and pull the covers over my head
>
> is the klonopin disagreeing with me? after all i'd heard about it anti-anxiety properties, i'm so disappointed...
> might it be poorly interacting with my other meds: concerta, wellbutrin & effexor? or does it need more time before working?
>
> i see my pdoc next week... i was hoping to be able to suggest something to make me feel better...i'm considering neurontin as well but don't have access to it for a test drive... :)
>
> any info would be appreciated... thanks
> v
Posted by sar on July 19, 2001, at 17:26:41
In reply to is it the klonopin?, posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 13:25:22
I felt like a mentally-challenged 3 yr-old the first couple of weeks I was on klonopin.
It does make me sleepy and I yawn all the time, but its anti-anxiety properties are worth it to me.
My appetite has been about the same on klonopin. I wouldn't eat to stay awake, that would make me sleepy, I drink a strong cuppa British Breakfast tea. Sometimes at work I get so drowsy that I go sit in the restroom for 5 or 10 minutes to get my head back together.
I'm in love with klonopin! it has made me more affectionate and comfortable and friendly. It take it w/ just prozac.
If your friend just *gave* you this drug tho, I'd say that's no bueno. Go to *your* doc and see what (s)he says
Posted by Janelle on July 19, 2001, at 18:22:26
In reply to is it the klonopin?, posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 13:25:22
Being a long-time Klonopin user (eek, that sounds awful, like I'm a druggie, well I guess I am - LOL!), I can give you some feedback, stressing that this is just MY (one l'il person's) experience!
Okay, since Klonopin is a SLOW-acting benzo, and also based on my experience, I HIGHLY DOUBT that 0.25 mg (even in combo with other meds) would do much, if anything. The lowest dose that I've heard of that might "do" something is .50 mg. However, for me, and I'm a VERY anxious, nervous type person, I found that I need at least 1.0 (often 1.5, even 2.0) to feel any (positive) effect from Klonopin.
Klonopin has NEVER had any effect one way or another (increase or decrease) my appetite. (btw, Paxil increased it).
HOW MUCH Klonopin did you take when you said you "felt that frozen nervousness taking over"?? You said you took one, but do you mean cutting it into .25 or a WHOLE 1.0.
A full 1.0 (possibly in combo with your other meds or even unto itself) COULD explain your subsequent feelings of no motivation, fatigued, flat...awful... but I am surprised you said you can still feel your heart doing its "racing dance". In the days when 1.0 Klonopin would work for me, it calmed down my racing heart as well as making me flat and kind of numb, sluggish.
It's hard to tell if the Klonopin is disagreeing you or if it might it be poorly interacting with your other meds: concerta, wellbutrin & effexor. I take Effexor and Klonopin does NOT interact poorly with that at all, but I'm at only 75 mg/day of Effexor.
I don't know what Concerta is, but Klonopin works on different pathways than Wellbutrin and Effexor, so it should be okay in combo with those two.
I agree with sar who posted under this topic, and would say that it's "dangerous" and risky to take any kind of med from a friend without doctor input, therefore you should probably not continue to dabble with Klonopin before talking with your doc. Good luck!
-Janelle
Posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 19:00:23
In reply to Re: is it the klonopin?, posted by sar on July 19, 2001, at 17:26:41
thank you for replying...
did it take a couple of weeks before you felt an anti-anxiety effect?
i wanted to try it first before asking my pdoc for it... as i said, i see him next week.
but i'm concerned about klonopin's sedating properties... are there any anti-anxiety drugs that are non-sedating... more gentle?
would neurontin possibly work?
thanks again,
v
> I felt like a mentally-challenged 3 yr-old the first couple of weeks I was on klonopin.
>
> It does make me sleepy and I yawn all the time, but its anti-anxiety properties are worth it to me.
>
> My appetite has been about the same on klonopin. I wouldn't eat to stay awake, that would make me sleepy, I drink a strong cuppa British Breakfast tea. Sometimes at work I get so drowsy that I go sit in the restroom for 5 or 10 minutes to get my head back together.
>
> I'm in love with klonopin! it has made me more affectionate and comfortable and friendly. It take it w/ just prozac.
>
> If your friend just *gave* you this drug tho, I'd say that's no bueno. Go to *your* doc and see what (s)he says
Posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 19:15:52
In reply to Re: is it the klonopin? » v, posted by Janelle on July 19, 2001, at 18:22:26
hi janelle... thanks for replying
no, i've only taken .25mg at a time... the frozen nervousness is what i tend to feel in general, particularly when i am depressed and it's what my current meds are not helping... that's why i tried the klonopin... but at such a low dose perhaps i wasn't really feeling anything from it... just lousy in general... although last night .25mg knocked me out!
i tend to be very high strung & my meds are also activating... i need something to smooth me out
btw, concerta is the latest slow release form of ritalin
and i repeat, i am seeing my pdoc next week - i just wanted to know before asking for it... he has me currently taking valium & ambien as needed & i also use xanax on occassion. i usually use these for sleep.
but lately i've been stuck in that frozen tundra, i'm not doing anything and it's killing me...
i need to be able to live in order to feel better... but i need to feel better in order to be able to initiate living
thanks again,
v
> Being a long-time Klonopin user (eek, that sounds awful, like I'm a druggie, well I guess I am - LOL!), I can give you some feedback, stressing that this is just MY (one l'il person's) experience!
>
> Okay, since Klonopin is a SLOW-acting benzo, and also based on my experience, I HIGHLY DOUBT that 0.25 mg (even in combo with other meds) would do much, if anything. The lowest dose that I've heard of that might "do" something is .50 mg. However, for me, and I'm a VERY anxious, nervous type person, I found that I need at least 1.0 (often 1.5, even 2.0) to feel any (positive) effect from Klonopin.
>
> Klonopin has NEVER had any effect one way or another (increase or decrease) my appetite. (btw, Paxil increased it).
>
> HOW MUCH Klonopin did you take when you said you "felt that frozen nervousness taking over"?? You said you took one, but do you mean cutting it into .25 or a WHOLE 1.0.
>
> A full 1.0 (possibly in combo with your other meds or even unto itself) COULD explain your subsequent feelings of no motivation, fatigued, flat...awful... but I am surprised you said you can still feel your heart doing its "racing dance". In the days when 1.0 Klonopin would work for me, it calmed down my racing heart as well as making me flat and kind of numb, sluggish.
>
> It's hard to tell if the Klonopin is disagreeing you or if it might it be poorly interacting with your other meds: concerta, wellbutrin & effexor. I take Effexor and Klonopin does NOT interact poorly with that at all, but I'm at only 75 mg/day of Effexor.
>
> I don't know what Concerta is, but Klonopin works on different pathways than Wellbutrin and Effexor, so it should be okay in combo with those two.
>
> I agree with sar who posted under this topic, and would say that it's "dangerous" and risky to take any kind of med from a friend without doctor input, therefore you should probably not continue to dabble with Klonopin before talking with your doc. Good luck!
> -Janelle
Posted by sar on July 19, 2001, at 20:51:55
In reply to Re: is it the klonopin? » Janelle, posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 19:15:52
Dear v,
Klonopin was unusual for me because it became effective in just a few days (rather than 6 weeks, as w/ my Prozac).
I think it takes awhile to adjust to any drug. i tend to be rather high-strung and anxious as well, and was prescribed .5 mg twice daily. The first couple of weeks or so--jeez, it was scary, I was afraid that I'd lost all mental capacity. I could not do the simplest of tasks, yet I felt drowsy and somewhat affectinate--which *to me* was prferable to feeling high-strung and anxious.
Klonopin still makes me tired, but I've been on it, what, a month or so? Its positive qualities outweigh the negative to me. I don't feel quite so stupid anymore, yet I'm even more relaxed.
I don't want to sound like a stick-in-the-mud, as I've both bought and sold prescription drugs to and from friends (vicodin, valium, etc), but your doc will know best how much you need and if this is even an appropriate drug for you, and how much you should start on.
also...one more thing to consider...the placebo effect. The second AD I ever tried was Effexor, and--well, I read some weird shit about it and began to think some really weird shit about it, so I quit it.
Go see yr doc, V!
best wishes,
sar
Posted by Janelle on July 19, 2001, at 22:03:41
In reply to Re: is it the klonopin? » Janelle, posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 19:15:52
Hi v - wow, you are apparently more sensitive to some meds than the very sensitive me(!), since .25 mg Klonopin knocked you out! Then again, I am sensitive to meds that activate me since I'm so high strung and hyper to begin with, they make it worse right away, but I am NOT at all sensitive to sedating ones - I usually need a HIGH dose of those to do anything for me! And some don't work on me at all.
As for your frozen nervousness, well, for what it's worth, be glad that you are able to go to work. I'm in bad enough shape with that and other symptoms that I've been unable to do so. :-(
I feel the "most" frozen nervousness when I'm the most depressed. As the veil lifts, so does the frozen nervousness.
Since you said you need something to "smooth you out," maybe a mood stabilizer (e.g., Depakote, Lamictal, Neurontin) - I just started Lamictal at a very low dose, waaaaaay too soon to know if it's gonna do anything. But, in general, the mood stabilizers are supposed to keep you from going too high up (too high strung, racy, etc.) or too far down (deep depression). I'm a cycler (not as in bicycler, as in mood cycler!) so I know I need a mood stabilizer!
Thanks for cluing me in that Concerta is the latest slow release form of ritalin. I'd never have guessed that!
I took Ambien and during one episode it worked, but this current one I got so hypomanic and obsessive, racy that I overrode the "gentle" Ambien, as my pdoc explained it. She gave me Zyprexa instead!
I know just what you mean about how you so eloquently stated: "I need to be able to live in order to feel better... but I need to feel better in order to be able to initiate living." Very well put.Good luck 2 U!
-Janelle
Posted by v on July 20, 2001, at 5:31:11
In reply to Re: is it the klonopin?, posted by sar on July 19, 2001, at 20:51:55
hi sar...
i promise i'm going to pdoc next week.. :)
but i don't have much faith in him at this point...
insurance makes it tough to switch but i will consider it depending on the outcome of my next visitthanks again
v> Dear v,
>
> Klonopin was unusual for me because it became effective in just a few days (rather than 6 weeks, as w/ my Prozac).
>
> I think it takes awhile to adjust to any drug. i tend to be rather high-strung and anxious as well, and was prescribed .5 mg twice daily. The first couple of weeks or so--jeez, it was scary, I was afraid that I'd lost all mental capacity. I could not do the simplest of tasks, yet I felt drowsy and somewhat affectinate--which *to me* was prferable to feeling high-strung and anxious.
>
> Klonopin still makes me tired, but I've been on it, what, a month or so? Its positive qualities outweigh the negative to me. I don't feel quite so stupid anymore, yet I'm even more relaxed.
>
> I don't want to sound like a stick-in-the-mud, as I've both bought and sold prescription drugs to and from friends (vicodin, valium, etc), but your doc will know best how much you need and if this is even an appropriate drug for you, and how much you should start on.
>
> also...one more thing to consider...the placebo effect. The second AD I ever tried was Effexor, and--well, I read some weird shit about it and began to think some really weird shit about it, so I quit it.
>
> Go see yr doc, V!
>
> best wishes,
> sar
Posted by v on July 20, 2001, at 5:54:01
In reply to To V: Re: is it the klonopin? more... » v, posted by Janelle on July 19, 2001, at 22:03:41
hi janelle...
yeah, i'm still sensitive to benzos although the first time i took .25mg in the evening it didn't hit me nearly as hard... unless i'm really stressing, i have a tendency to break valium & xanax in pieces... the first time i took a whole ambien, it was like a freight train... it was a very weird experience... i remembered earlier posts about people doing or saying things they later didn't recall and i could see why... i jumped into bed as fast as i could... :) but i would never take it to calm me down.. almost felt more like a hypnotic than a tranquilizer
now pain killers i can eat by the handful and not feel a thing... i seem to have a really high tolerance to them ... go figure
i really feel for you not being able to work yet... but at the same time i must tell you that going to work takes eveything out of me... i've got nothing left... the only reason i'm still able to go is that i have to to keep a roof over my head... and i resent the hell out of it... every day is a battle
what other meds are you currently on? i hope it's ok that i'm asking you... we sound like there may be similarities
and thank you for the compliment... it really made me feel good :)
hope you're feeling well today
blessings
v> Hi v - wow, you are apparently more sensitive to some meds than the very sensitive me(!), since .25 mg Klonopin knocked you out! Then again, I am sensitive to meds that activate me since I'm so high strung and hyper to begin with, they make it worse right away, but I am NOT at all sensitive to sedating ones - I usually need a HIGH dose of those to do anything for me! And some don't work on me at all.
>
> As for your frozen nervousness, well, for what it's worth, be glad that you are able to go to work. I'm in bad enough shape with that and other symptoms that I've been unable to do so. :-(
>
> I feel the "most" frozen nervousness when I'm the most depressed. As the veil lifts, so does the frozen nervousness.
>
> Since you said you need something to "smooth you out," maybe a mood stabilizer (e.g., Depakote, Lamictal, Neurontin) - I just started Lamictal at a very low dose, waaaaaay too soon to know if it's gonna do anything. But, in general, the mood stabilizers are supposed to keep you from going too high up (too high strung, racy, etc.) or too far down (deep depression). I'm a cycler (not as in bicycler, as in mood cycler!) so I know I need a mood stabilizer!
>
> Thanks for cluing me in that Concerta is the latest slow release form of ritalin. I'd never have guessed that!
>
> I took Ambien and during one episode it worked, but this current one I got so hypomanic and obsessive, racy that I overrode the "gentle" Ambien, as my pdoc explained it. She gave me Zyprexa instead!
>
> I know just what you mean about how you so eloquently stated: "I need to be able to live in order to feel better... but I need to feel better in order to be able to initiate living." Very well put.
>
> Good luck 2 U!
> -Janelle
Posted by tina on July 20, 2001, at 15:44:07
In reply to is it the klonopin?, posted by v on July 19, 2001, at 13:25:22
Bummer v. I've taken klonopin for almost 13 years and not had those effects. I hope it is just a mismatched med thing cuz without the klonopin, I would never leave my house.
take care
tina> ok, so i got some klonopin from a friend to try out... she gave me 1mg pills which i broke into quarters... so i'm only trying .25mg at a time
>
> took one yesterday morning about 5:30am with my other meds and felt ok but i did seem more hungry than usual... took another one at 5:30pm and it knocked me out... i overate just to stay awake to watch the tour de france stuff on tv but gave in at 8pm and crashed...
> when i first woke up, i felt groggy so i didn't take any with my meds... but about 2hrs later when the meds were really kicking in and i felt that frozen nervousness taking over, i took one... now i've pretty much just felt like shit today... no motivation, fatigued, flat...awful... yet i can still feel my heart doing its racing dance... and i'm still frozen in place - just want to go home and pull the covers over my head
>
> is the klonopin disagreeing with me? after all i'd heard about it anti-anxiety properties, i'm so disappointed...
> might it be poorly interacting with my other meds: concerta, wellbutrin & effexor? or does it need more time before working?
>
> i see my pdoc next week... i was hoping to be able to suggest something to make me feel better...i'm considering neurontin as well but don't have access to it for a test drive... :)
>
> any info would be appreciated... thanks
> v
Posted by Janelle on July 20, 2001, at 16:45:31
In reply to Re: To V: Re: is it the klonopin? more... » Janelle, posted by v on July 20, 2001, at 5:54:01
Well, this is how NOT to sedating meds (like benzos and Ambien) I am: I started with 10mg of Ambien (it also comes in 5mg which works for many people) and there were times I went up to 15 mg. Then when the anxiety, agitation, obsessive racing thoughts, etc. got more intense, even 15 mg Ambien did not work. I didn't dare take more because the manufacturer info says not to exceed 10 and I'd already done that!
To answer your question about what other meds are you currently on (it's fine, no problem that you asked!) along with Klonopin (which you already know about!) I'm on EffexorXR (only 75 mg/day cuz it's too activating; plan to taper off it after next visit to pdoc when I can get onto another, SEDATING a-d!), and Zyprexa 2.5mg/night for sleep (also hope to discontinue that if I can find a sedating a-d for nighttime).
What meds are you on? Sorry if you posted this somewhere and I forgot - well, it will be easier to read under this thread anyway.
Also, if you don't mind, what kind of work do you do? Just curious.
I'm feeling improved each day, but still far from who I know I can be.
Blessings back to you,
-Janelle
Posted by v on July 21, 2001, at 6:27:08
In reply to Re: is it the klonopin?~v~, posted by tina on July 20, 2001, at 15:44:07
hi tina... so nice to hear from you..:)
i'm thinking now that it may not have been the klonopin that day.. the frozen nervousness comes from me & i suspect my other meds, which are all activating, are exacerbating it... which is a little weird, as i've usually been able to overcome the frozen part of my depression and use the energy on activating meds... i think the wellbutrin may be the culprit but i am loath to give it up as i've seen 2 very noticeable changes... i'm not feeling at all suicidal & i have little desire to take pain killers (and that was starting to worry me)
so the combo i'm currently using definitely needs tweaking.. i'm thinking a mood stabilizer like neurontin and maybe the klonopin on an as needed basis... at this point, i have to take something to sleep anyway
and i'm still tapering off the effexor ( which is such a s-l-o-w process) & i've cut my concerta strength... actually i ran out & rather than refill the script the pdoc sent me, i've been using my ritalin sr 20mg instead of the concerta 36mg hoping that might help... i'll ask him for concerta 18mg when i see him next week
so now i feel like i've been rambling so i'd better close... :)
i hope you are well
blessings,
v> Bummer v. I've taken klonopin for almost 13 years and not had those effects. I hope it is just a mismatched med thing cuz without the klonopin, I would never leave my house.
> take care
> tina
Posted by v on July 21, 2001, at 7:17:43
In reply to To V: ANSWER and more: » v, posted by Janelle on July 20, 2001, at 16:45:31
good morning janelle... it's amazing how the benzos just bounce off of you... i took .25mg klonopin yesterday @ 5:30pm and had to go to sleep earlier than i planned... i think i'm particularly susceptible at the end of the day because all my meds are wearing off... although i still need to take something to sleep at night... but now that i think about it, i've been taking the klonopin before dinner and i bet it would affect me differently if i waited until after i ate
my current med regimen is:
effexor xr 112.5mg (but i am continuing to taper that down and am planning to go off it), concerta 36mg (plan on lowering that dose back to 18mg) & wellbutrin sr 150mg (i was supposed to take 150mg 2x daily but the 2nd dose was too much too soon & i haven't tried it sinceall this is supplemented with valium, xanax, the occassional ambien (only at night), and of course lately, the klonopin
whew... i feel like a walking pharmacy & now i'm planning on adding neurontin... i agree that i probably need a mood stabilizer as i also rapid cycle (off the bike :)
i don't mind telling you about my work... actually i'm touched that you even care to ask...
i'm a computer artist - i work as an art director / graphic designer for an ad agency... but do my own art as well... in fact, if you are interested, i would love for you to see my work... my url is:
http://home.earthlink.net/~lilithes/i recently completed a couple of new pieces... just before this lastest bout of frozen nervousness hit... and if you do visit my site, i would love it if you would sign my dreambook... although that is certainly not mandatory.. :) i just love to receive those messages and re-read them often
(tina, if you are reading this, have you seen the new work?)
have you tried serzone? i've heard that can be sedating... and what about a mood stabilizer?
i am so glad that you're moving towards feeling better... and i know what you mean about knowing your potential and not wanting to settle for less... do you mind telling me a bit about yourself? your interests?
sorry this is so long...
more blessings,
v> Well, this is how NOT to sedating meds (like benzos and Ambien) I am: I started with 10mg of Ambien (it also comes in 5mg which works for many people) and there were times I went up to 15 mg. Then when the anxiety, agitation, obsessive racing thoughts, etc. got more intense, even 15 mg Ambien did not work. I didn't dare take more because the manufacturer info says not to exceed 10 and I'd already done that!
>
> To answer your question about what other meds are you currently on (it's fine, no problem that you asked!) along with Klonopin (which you already know about!) I'm on EffexorXR (only 75 mg/day cuz it's too activating; plan to taper off it after next visit to pdoc when I can get onto another, SEDATING a-d!), and Zyprexa 2.5mg/night for sleep (also hope to discontinue that if I can find a sedating a-d for nighttime).
>
> What meds are you on? Sorry if you posted this somewhere and I forgot - well, it will be easier to read under this thread anyway.
>
> Also, if you don't mind, what kind of work do you do? Just curious.
>
> I'm feeling improved each day, but still far from who I know I can be.
>
> Blessings back to you,
> -Janelle
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 21, 2001, at 13:15:47
In reply to Re: To V: ANSWER and more more » Janelle, posted by v on July 21, 2001, at 7:17:43
> if you are interested, i would love for you to see my work... my url is:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~lilithes/...think the dancers mad"
I like that. :-) Is it an original quote?
Bob
Posted by v on July 21, 2001, at 15:48:04
In reply to Re: those who hear not the music..., posted by Dr. Bob on July 21, 2001, at 13:15:47
how nice of you to visit my site... the quote comes from a talk once given by the dalai lama
regards,
v> > if you are interested, i would love for you to see my work... my url is:
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~lilithes/
>
> ...think the dancers mad"
>
> I like that. :-) Is it an original quote?
>
> Bob
Posted by v on July 22, 2001, at 9:00:58
In reply to Re: those who hear not the music... » Dr. Bob, posted by v on July 21, 2001, at 15:48:04
hello everyone who replyed to my plea... :)
i think i'm getting the hang of it!... yesterday i took .25mg with my morning meds and although i still didn't get out of the house to ride ...:( i did do some errands.. when i got home the first time i took another .25mg... and felt better... still wasn't very productive though...
this morning i took .25mg with my meds, got out on the bike (yay!) but didn't ride for very long... :( still having trouble breathing... anxiety? anyway, i left the group and toodled home, showered and just took another .25mg...
btw, i am planning on getting a physical hopefully sometime next month (trying to get an appointment with my primary doc takes forever!!)
tomorrow, i will take .5mg with my morning meds and see how that feels... i'm suspecting that may be my morning dose.
tweak, tweak, tweak...
now for the next question... i was also planning on asking pdoc for neurontin... how will that interact with the klonopin? i noticed that the literature on neurontin suggests that the starting dose is 300mg, once a day at bedtime.. might it help me sleep?
from what i've read, neurontin sounds like it may be a good drug for me.. but is there likely to be the dreaded weight gain side effect from it? that will render it totally unacceptable so i need to know before going in
i see my pdoc on tuesday, so we'll see what he has to say about all this... he usually gives me a big 15 minutes of his time, if i'm lucky... i think i get so little time due to being an hmo patient... ahhhh insurance... can't get any treatment w/o it, but still can't get good treatment with it
enough rambling... sorry these posts have been so long... i must be feeling better as i'm writing so much more... :) and trying to post to others as well when i think i have something to offer...
blessings to all of you... i wish you all what you wish for yourselves
v
Posted by Mitch on July 22, 2001, at 14:42:56
In reply to tweak, tweak...and another question: neurontin?, posted by v on July 22, 2001, at 9:00:58
v.
The Neurontin (I take Klonopin/Neurontin) helps with social phobia and mixed bipolar states. It is very peculiar in combinations with pstims as well (it tends to augment them). It is also a good choice if you are on med "cocktails" because it is excreted by your kidneys not metabolized by your liver, so you don't have the drug interaction potentials with other meds. Oh, went to your site and saw your illustrations-fantasticly vivid!
good luck
Mitch> now for the next question... i was also planning on asking pdoc for neurontin... how will that interact with the klonopin? i noticed that the literature on neurontin suggests that the starting dose is 300mg, once a day at bedtime.. might it help me sleep?
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> from what i've read, neurontin sounds like it may be a good drug for me.. but is there likely to be the dreaded weight gain side effect from it? that will render it totally unacceptable so i need to know before going in
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> i see my pdoc on tuesday, so we'll see what he has to say about all this... he usually gives me a big 15 minutes of his time, if i'm lucky... i think i get so little time due to being an hmo patient... ahhhh insurance... can't get any treatment w/o it, but still can't get good treatment with it
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> enough rambling... sorry these posts have been so long... i must be feeling better as i'm writing so much more... :) and trying to post to others as well when i think i have something to offer...
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> blessings to all of you... i wish you all what you wish for yourselves
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> v
Posted by v on July 22, 2001, at 15:32:09
In reply to Re: tweak, tweak...and another question: neurontin? » v, posted by Mitch on July 22, 2001, at 14:42:56
hi mitch... thank you for both replying and visiting my site... it means alot to me... :)
be well,
v> v.
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> The Neurontin (I take Klonopin/Neurontin) helps with social phobia and mixed bipolar states. It is very peculiar in combinations with pstims as well (it tends to augment them). It is also a good choice if you are on med "cocktails" because it is excreted by your kidneys not metabolized by your liver, so you don't have the drug interaction potentials with other meds. Oh, went to your site and saw your illustrations-fantasticly vivid!
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> good luck
> Mitch
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Posted by Mitch on July 22, 2001, at 16:57:15
In reply to Re: tweak, tweak...and another question: neurontin? » Mitch, posted by v on July 22, 2001, at 15:32:09
v.
You're welcome. My major was in printing/publishing and we had a lot of graphic designers in our classes (which made it a lot more fun), but I never saw any illustration quite *that* good.
Oh, I just realized that I never answered your question about Neurontin and weight gain (my ADHD again!). I never gained any weight on it, but I don't take much (400mg/day). I think if the dose was upwards of 900+mg you might notice some weight gain due to sleepiness from it, though.
Mitch
> hi mitch... thank you for both replying and visiting my site... it means alot to me... :)
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> be well,
> v
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Posted by Zo on July 22, 2001, at 17:14:36
In reply to Re: those who hear not the music... » Dr. Bob, posted by v on July 21, 2001, at 15:48:04
What a lovely quote and site! . .I'm a painter. . and just thrilled to see someone else's work from pbabble.
Thanks for sharing your link,
Zo
Posted by v on July 24, 2001, at 17:55:22
In reply to Re: those who hear not the music... » v, posted by Zo on July 22, 2001, at 17:14:36
oh you're so welcome.. it was my pleasure to share them
regards,
v> What a lovely quote and site! . .I'm a painter. . and just thrilled to see someone else's work from pbabble.
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> Thanks for sharing your link,
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> Zo
Posted by v on July 24, 2001, at 17:59:22
In reply to Re: tweak, tweak...and another question: neurontin? » v, posted by Mitch on July 22, 2001, at 16:57:15
hi mitch...
thanks for the kind words about my work... well my pdoc says that he doesn't think neurontin is that effective and wants me to wait another month just using the concerta, welbutrin and klonopin.. so i'll be patient... :) though it does sound as if the drug might be helpful to me
regards,
v> v.
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> You're welcome. My major was in printing/publishing and we had a lot of graphic designers in our classes (which made it a lot more fun), but I never saw any illustration quite *that* good.
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> Oh, I just realized that I never answered your question about Neurontin and weight gain (my ADHD again!). I never gained any weight on it, but I don't take much (400mg/day). I think if the dose was upwards of 900+mg you might notice some weight gain due to sleepiness from it, though.
> > Mitch
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> > hi mitch... thank you for both replying and visiting my site... it means alot to me... :)
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> > be well,
> > v
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