Posted by beckett2 on August 8, 2018, at 21:16:16
In reply to Re: Paul Jay » sigismund, posted by alexandra_k on July 10, 2018, at 20:01:53
I know this post is from a ways back in the conversation, but, or so, economic hardship in AU is filtering onto my radar. I hadn't realized there was as much economic difficulty for many people. Is there actual homelessness? Forgive my ignorance.
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> I shuddered a lot at this one.
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> Because (if Australia is anything like NZ) there are a lot of phoney jobs out there. I mean, there are things they call 'jobs' but you need to purchase a uniform (and / or pay for the uniform to be laundered) and you need to pay for parking in the vicinity etc... Such that the hourly rate you earn is actually less then the costs involved in taking the job.
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> I used to believe that they wouldn't make you do anything like that if you were a genuine person...
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> But my more recent experience of things in Dunedin, particularly, leads me to believe that actually, yes, that is precisely the sort of things that some people would do.
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> Stanford Prison Guard experiment-style. Or Nazi electrocution experiment-style.
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> There are people who are forced to work at these job agencies. Who have quotas on how many people they need to give those awful 'jobs' to. If they don't send people to those awful jobs - then they will be next. They will be sent off to one of those awful jobs instead...
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> These actually are the sorts of pressures some people are operating under.
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> And it would be nice to think that these people must be fundamentally base, or something, to be treated, so.
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> But my recent experience of things in Australia and New Zealand... And that's simply not so.
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> And I think 'who would make all of these people do these awful things? and why?' Because there really is enough for everyones need...
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> And I think it is about human depravity. The urges... Needs... Some people have in genuinely sadistic directions.
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> Something about how not everyone can grow up with self-esteem. Who would dance in our strip clubs? And what would the point of a high speed internet connection be if there wasn't so much porn?
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> People want things... And there need to be people who will do fairly much anything for money. There needs to be something that will incentive things... There need to be incentive structures. Not for meaningful work... But precisely for things that aren't meaningful work at all. The real value of it... You have to keep self esteem pretty low, indeed, because it's hard to overestimate just how sick so many people really very genuinely are...
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