Posted by Larry Hoover on July 14, 2004, at 8:17:16
In reply to Re: NADH a psychostimulant?, posted by gromit on July 13, 2004, at 17:13:10
> > It sounds like a dose issue, rather than a "wrong substance for me" issue. Ron and I both found that TMG took the edge off the NADH, despite the fact that I find that either one alone has an edge. They had synergy, for us.
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> I have tried TMG although maybe not at the same time as the NADH.There's no real upper limit on TMG, just your tolerance of it.
> > I don't believe in magic bullets. I do, however, believe that every little bit helps. A little here, a little there, and who knows what the benefits will add up to.
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> Oh I agree, it's just that this worked so well, like I had taken a powerful stimulant, not a "vitamin".I "heard" that part, loud and clear. But it quickly stopped working just that way, if I heard you correctly. Whenever I get a profound result from a supp, I tend to think that is because I really needed some in my body, and my body is up-regulated to it because there isn't enough. That may not be true, of course, but it's my first working hypothesis. Then I work at dose, to get a manageable maintenance dose. Sometimes, though, adverse effects do crop up, and you have to figure out things on a cost-benefit basis.
> I take a B complex and a multi most days, so my thinking was maybe my body is not converting things the way it should. Actually I have thought that for a long time now.
In the taurine thread I mention my old friend Alan, who got me thinking about (high-dose) nutrient supplementation as treatment. At the time, I mentioned that I would describe my underlying defect as sub-clinical malabsorption syndrome. Despite an adequate diet, I just could not get what I needed out of food alone, but I got by well enough to not be diagnosed with celiac sprue or whatever. It was an intuitive thing. I'm still working on the rational details which are corollary to the intuition. You gotta believe that you're the expert on you, and take it from there.
> > > If only I could get say 20% of the energy from that first day over the long haul.
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> > It sounds like a dose issue, as I said. You can get 2.5 mg tablets, 5 mg tablets, 10 mg tablets, and 10 mg sublinguals. How much, and when?
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> Well bought some sublinguals to see if that makes any difference, and I'll start the TMG again and just see what happens.The sublinguals are potent, relative to the oral tablets, in my opinion. They're actually quite soft, so I wouldn't think you'd have too much trouble breaking them into smaller pieces. I'd keep the bits (if there are any) in the freezer. NADH is pretty unstable, and bacteria think it's the bomb.
> How much and when, yup. I recently started a trial of Provigil and didn't feel anything with less than 300mg. I've had mixed results with Provigil as well, and one day 300mg had no effect, took another 100mg and still nothing.
Wow. Provigil works on a totally unique mechanism (compared with e.g. amphetamines). I'll ponder the implications a bit.
> I just have to say, after reading the archives of this board, you are a smart guy who is very generous with his time, and you write in a manner that is easy to understand. Ok I'm not prone to gushing so I'll stop there.
Awwww, that's very kind of you to say that. I really enjoy doing this, and though I don't do it for the strokes, the strokes are welcome. Thanks.
Lar
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