Posted by JLx on November 25, 2003, at 11:31:03
In reply to Re: Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom? » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 25, 2003, at 8:31:30
> > I recall that thread. I can't think that the cause/beginning of one's problems should have that much of an impact on what may work.
> Most anxiety seems caused by a deficiency in something. Taking that thing, be it B6, Omega 3, magnesium or whatever, cures the deficiency and gets rid of the anxiety for those people.
I don't believe it works that way. The human body, especially the mind/body connection is more complicated that that, imo. I think it's more likely, for instance, that certain environmental stressors such as psychological abuse, highlight whatever inefficiencies we may have in our body's metabolic pathways or stress reactions, and our emotional/mental pathways as well, so that we "discover" a problem. So then, the solution lies not just in correcting one thing, but probably will be in a combination of things. No amount of antidepressive substances will make me a happy person, I know, if I am determined to be unhappy. One way I might "be determined to be unhappy" is to not remind myself to be grateful for what I have, for instance. These are the kinds of things I had to learn in therapy and elsewhere through the years.
By the same token, not getting something my body needs, which for me for a long time was magnesium, doesn't ALLOW me the chance to get mentally healthy no matter how much I try to change my thoughts because something essential to my brain chemistry working right ISN'T working right. Magnesium keeps me from having suicidal thoughts for instance, no matter how depressed I get. (Or such has been my recent experience.)
Conversely, I had an interesting experience lately where I took the absolute wrong amino acid for me apparently, and had suicide ideation in one day. I thought, "Whoa, where did that come from?" I took a counteracting amino acid and felt better shortly thereafter. So, sometimes, yes, I think a supplement -- if we can find the "right" one or combination -- can appear to cure something, but only IF we WERE deficient or out of whack wrt to that particular substance in the first place. But usually, one supplement is a small cog in the wheel and won't have an impact all by itself. Just as negative-thought-control can't solve the whole problem by itself either. (Or such has been my experience.)
>Obviously the cause of anxiety determines what treatments will work. Since mine is caused by something other than any deficiency, none of this other stuff is apparently doing any good.
Personally, I don't think it works that way. Whether one has PTSD/anxiety from bullying when young or war combat, the biology is going to be similar, (heightened stress response due to the adrenals/cortisol, etc). It's the biology of our bodies that IS "us", and it's the biology of our bodies (and minds) that is altered by extreme events. Change the biology (which is something we can do only to a limited degree, imo, due to our underlying genetic make-up) and we change our mental/emotional reactions AND/OR change our mental/emotional reactions and we change our biology. (There was a study recently where Tibetan monks demonstrated definite changes to the brain while meditating, for instance.)
> I said Post Tramatic Stress Disorder in my previous post you quoted. That is PTSD. PTSD, anxiety, whatever you want to call it, all the same to me. And I've been trying everything people recommended in the months since I first found this place. The only thing left to try is the blueberry leaf extract. I'll order it today and add it to the things I'm taking.
I notice you don't have niacinamide (beyond what's in a B complex) on your list, which has been recommended quite often on this board for anxiety.
And why are you taking so much additional phosphorus? 800 mg in addition to what's ingested in the diet is a very high amount, imo. Do you eat meat, drink sodas? Then you're probably already getting plenty. http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article&ID=2061
And since calcium is calming for most people, you might try adding that too, especially if you continue to take that much phosophorus.
According to The Analyst site, the best thing you can do is avoid sugar. http://126.96.36.199/search?q=cache:vhDpKP1YCIYJ:www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C58563.html+phosphorus+anxiety&hl=en&ie=UTF-8