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Re: blocks, options, and prevention

Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2007, at 11:41:53

In reply to Re: block history, posted by Honore on June 30, 2007, at 9:17:55

> If my formula had been used to determine the block length, Zenhussy would have probably gotten a 1 week block:
> B = S + D*exp(-P/r) = 1 + 48*exp(-147/r) = 1.
> Here I assume that S = 1, since the incivility is minor. The duration of the previous block is D = 48, and time passed since the previous block expired is P = 147. For any reasonable value of r, we get exp(-147/r) very close to 0, so the term 48*exp(-147/r) vanishes.
> Klavot

That's an interesting suggestion, thanks. What do you think would be a reasonable value of r in that formula?


> --have 2 types of infractions
> 1. personal things
> --use the rule bob has now, with with the current limitation
> 2. nonpersonal
> -use the rule, but have two further rules
> ---a.. No banning for over a month (or maybe six weeks) at a time.
> ---b. If a long time passes– say six months– after a month ban, reduce to a week for next ban
> this introduces greater incentives for good behavior.
> 2. if someone has a long block for having committed things under the more serious type of incivility, you can have a separate system of blocks for them, relating to their impersonal acts.
> Honore

Thanks for your suggestions, too. The current formula is essentially:

B = S * (D - P / r)

with r = 10 and S = 3 when it's personal, 2 when it's impersonal. So if it were impersonal and D were 4 (1 month), P would need to be 36 (9 months), not 24 (6 months), for B to be 1 (with rounding).

I suppose a case could be made for a lower cap for impersonal incivility. Keeping the same 2:3 ratio would mean 35 weeks?

IMO, it makes sense for the personal and impersonal systems not to be separate.

Thinking of blocks in terms of incentives is tricky, since the longer the blocks, the greater the incentives...

Also, I still like the idea of a mandatory civility buddy option:

Finally, as Dinah said:

> The thread had already escalated quite a bit.

It would've been nice if all these blocks could've been prevented in the first place...





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