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Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou-B

Posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2007, at 20:19:14

In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou- Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2007, at 8:04:43

> > > you write that you think that the statement is good, by the author prefacing it with {I believe}, I think that then there is the potential for members to think that the administration is approving the statement and that the approval is because it is {by adding the preface}
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> > But that is in fact one of the approved ways of posting religious beliefs here:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
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> > Bob
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> Dr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...one of the approved ways of expressing religious belief here...(is to preface it with {I believe}...]
> That is one of the approved ways as long as the statement in question follows your other statement in the same post:
> [...if the foundation of a faith {puts down} those of other faiths, its not in my view supportive...discussed elsewhere...].
> Then in your other post titled [Re: guidlines and exceptions] for the faith board, you wrote on October 25, 2002 the following and I have not seen a change in your policy since then:
> [...Yes. And it is fine to talk about {what you believe}-->as long as you don't |put down| other beliefs<...].
> Your post and that statement by you is the second to the last paragraph in that post.
> Then your last paragraph in that post is that [...open to feedback..do what I think will be good for the community as a whole...].
> I feel put down when I read the statement in question because of the grammatical structure of the statement in question and the guideline here is that it is fine to post what you believe {as long as you don't >put down< those of other beliefs}. If I feel put down when I read the statement in question, because it could be IMO be interpreted to contrast a foundation of my faith, the law of Moses, with a foundation of a Christian belief with {but} and the use of {came by}. The statement brings in IMO a foundation of Jewdaism and a foundation of Christianity in contrast by the author's use of the law given by Moses. I feel put down when I read that contrast posted on a mental health forum that has the owner's guideline to not post what {could lead one of another faith to feel put down}. When two things are contrasted, and there is the potential for the contrast IMO to be interpreted as that one is lacking what the other is claiming to have, then that IMHO could lead those that do not accept the claimes of the one to feel put down.
> Lou Pilder
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> Dr. Hsiung,
You wrote that one of the approved ways to post on the faith board is to preface with {I believe}.
Looking at the example cited, we find that an acceptable statement is:
[...I believe in the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost...]
And in the same list of examples you write that it is fine to post what you belive as long as it does not put down those of another faith.
I agree with you that the example of [..I believe in the Father...] is a civil statement. For it is only when, according to your TOS here, when the belief puts down one of another faith that the statement is uncivil. And I find no uncivilness with the statement that you give as an example. This is because the statement,[...I believe in the Father...] does not {put down} those of another faith in as much as if someone posted that they belived in their God that was different from the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. The mission of the forum is for posts that are concerning the service and worship of God and different people could have different Gods and that is not uncivil here. Having a God that is different from amother's God is not uncivil here. Nor would it be considered here, according to what constitutes here what could put someone down, for someone to post that they believe in more than one God.
I do not feel put down because someone is of a different faith than I. I believe in religious freedom. But it when the statement of belief puts down another faith, then that, according to your TOS, is not covered to be acceptable here by just prefacing the statement with {I believe}. If that was the case, one could post anything that could have the potential to put down those of another faith and preface it with {I belive} and it would be acceptable here, but you have posted that your idea of civility is that to you [... it does not matter if someone believes something--if it is uncivil, they shouldn't post it...]. And, [...if a belief puts down those of another faith it is not supportive...].
A ststement of what a person believes puts down another faith by particular generally accepted criteria. One of those criteria has the potential to cause those of another faith to feel inferior when they read the particular statement. This is generally done historically by claiming superiority of their religion in some way toward another religion. The statement,[I believe in the Father...] I do not consider to invoke any superiority unless it is contrasted to another faith so that the other faith could be contrasted as lacking what the other faith claims to have.
In the statement in question, the law of Moses, which the Jews cherish to them, is in contrast. That statement IMO has the potential to be considered to be different from someone posting that they [...believe in the Father...]. Believing [...in the Father the Son ...] does not put down Jews or anyone else IMHO because one believes that, for to respect other's faiths here is part of the civilty code. It is when a statement could have the potential to be considered to not respect another's faith, then that IMO has the potential to be considered to put down those of that other faith.
Another criteria for determining what could have the potential to lead one of a faith to feel put down is if { I would like to this one by email if anyone would like}
Lou Pilder
lpilder_1188@fuse.net

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