Posted by Dr. Bob on July 31, 2006, at 14:57:01
In reply to Re: finally... » Dinah, posted by cloudydaze on July 30, 2006, at 18:28:14
> > The goal is civility. Which facilitates support.
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> Is that intended as a definition of civility? If you blocked a person and the block didn't facilitate support then would you conclude that you shouldn't have blocked that person?Not necessarily. Someone can get a ticket for speeding even if they didn't cause an accident, because speeding leads to more accidents in general even if it didn't that time...
> 1) You seem to be too quick to block posters when they haven't accused / attacked / judged another poster and they would be willing to rephrase on the boards (which may well indicate that they didn't mean to cause offence).
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> 2) You seem to block people for exhorbatent lengths of time when they haven't accused / attacked / judged another poster and they would be willing to rephrase on the boards (which may well indicate that they didn't mean to cause offence).Ideally, people would rephrase their uncivil posts themselves -- before they submit them. And blocks are shorter under the new system. Are you distinguishing between accusing someone like Bush and accusing another poster?
> As a result of that... Other posters seem to be uncivil (typically towards you but also towards other posters). Also the blocked poster seems to be more likely to be uncivil (typically towards you but also towards other posters) upon return.
That's true, blocking someone does sometimes stir things up and make it less supportive, at least in the short run.
> > The thing about flexibility is that it can be seen as unfair.
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> Rigidity can also be seen as unfair. Not only unfair, but stubborn as well ;-)Maybe I'd rather err on the side of rigidity, since that would at least be predictable?
> > > > Part of learning how to deal with others might just be for people to be uncivil, have that pointed out by Dr. Bob and other members, and then work on appropriate alternate behaviors, and then keep posting.
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> After being blocked for up to one year? Longer blocks... Probably decrease the liklihood of that. When work to perform appropriate alternative behaviours results in blockings of up to one year... I think people are more likely to come to believe they can't do whatever it is that is required. ... I think you exclude a lot of people who would remain and be good sources of support
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> EstellaSomeone who's blocked for a year may in fact not be able to do what's required. At least not consistently and under these circumstances. I agree, it's a loss while they're blocked and then if they leave, after that.
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> Thank you for your explainations, and for tolerating the discussion on this thread.
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> I am gathering, managing order on an enourmous site like this, full of so many diverse people with differing views, must be a huge and difficult job-not as simple as I, for example, initially imagined.
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> laimaYou're welcome. It certainly can be a challenge! :-)
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> Could someone who was offended, say, report it to you, another deputy, or dr bob?
Sure, and FYI I'm working on a "notify the administration" button to facilitate that. But I think it would be good still to have a way to discuss -- as a community, in a civil way -- general policies and even specific situations.
> I think that it is so sheltered here...maybe relaxing the reins a little would allow for us to grow as people? ... I don't find it encouraging right now...to me it feels like I have "big brother" breathing down my neck.
It's hard to hold the reins so they feel right for everyone...
> I wonder if Dr bob thinks that people can't (or shouldn't) work out their own problems sometimes....
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> cloudydazeI would love it if everyone worked out their problems! It may not in fact always be absolutely necessary, but I do think being civil facilitates that...
Bob
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