Posted by franco neuro on February 24, 2005, at 14:30:16
In reply to Re: CES » franco neuro, posted by Elroy on February 22, 2005, at 22:19:06
I've been out of the loop a couple of days. My computer crashed and I stopped taking my .5mg of klonopin a couple of days ago. I was taking it for sleep but it was making me more depressed. Now, of course, I haven't slept in 3 days. Damn this sucks!
Man you sound a lot like me...except I knew I was heading for a crash for a long time. I even get the tinitus too! But only in my left ear. To be honest with you I'd rather have it both ears. Hypogonadism also. Which, of course, is always the most distressing thing for a guy. You're right...how could we not be depressed!
I had to postpone my appt. with Dr. Barverman until next week. I've been considering selegiline too. I mentioned it to him the last time I was there. It's one of a rather short list of options. I'm also a little worried about the dopamine agonists making anxiety and insomnia worse. I also worry because I get a lot of muscle twitches and am afraid wellbutrin might push me into seizure-ville. But to be honest I don't even care. I'm going to try it anyway. The thing is we all react differently to these meds. Maybe the people who feel over-stimulated by the pro-dopamine meds. didn't have a dopamine difficiency to begin with. By reading through a lot of these posts I've found that some people actually start sleeping better when they take them. Last night I was rolling around unable to sleep and I got up at 4:30 and popped one of Braverman's brain energy supplements (300mg DLPA/200mg l-tyrosine/75mg rhodiola rosea/60mg methionine/2mg octacosanol) along with 500mg tyrosine, my multi, 100mg Alpha Lipoic Acid and 50mg B6. I've found that this actually helps me sleep better. So maybe if dopamine is the problem, boosting it will help with energy and sleep.
When I took the test in his book I came out: 1.GABA 2.Acetylcholine 3.Dopamine 4.Seratonin. I came out with deficiancies in all of them. But I figure if your really low in any, and are feeling rotten, you're gonna come out pretty deficient across the board. Before I got his book I had blood levels checked which showed me low in everything except epinephrine and (oddly enough) dopamine. Although I was barely within "normal" range for dopamine. But Braverman says blood tests are too unreliable.
I think you're exactly right that a dopamine agonist/re-uptake inhibitor and an anti-convulsant type gabaergic (Lyrica/Neurontin) along with tyrosine, DLPA and plenty of B6 might be the way to go. I think the gabaergic anti-convulsants produce a deeper more natural sleep and less of a "downer" effect than the benzodiazipines. At least in my case in regards to Neurontin vs. Xanax/Klonopin.
Hey what do you know! My Pathroid (Braverman's thyroid formula) just arrived via Fedex. I'll start popping them first thing tomorrow morning. God...what the hell happened to me?
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