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Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 14, 2011, at 20:13:33
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sigismund on June 14, 2011, at 0:28:39
You and fb are good for my self esteem :-)
I haven't really got a clear idea about the meaning of this.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 14, 2011, at 20:40:28
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sigismund on June 14, 2011, at 12:10:30
I think it's a "no win" situation.
The narcissism is a crime, but no real reason for being there. It's a "just" - as in easily dismissed, not given consideration. I suppose I am there to be ignored and hated at the same time.
Posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 2:22:42
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff » sigismund, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 14, 2011, at 20:40:28
Have you considered that you are a failure as a narcissist :)?
Posted by floatingbridge on June 15, 2011, at 2:22:53
In reply to Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 12, 2011, at 9:19:06
So you are the dream and the dreamer. If I talk about it, I'm projecting. All that said....
> This time I was in prison, which happened to be in the same building as my grammar school, so I knew the exits, and could get out. They were being picky about releasing me. They were waiting to release me to some sort of
governmental agents. They could've released me to my sister, but she had forgotten to pick me up. It was winter and the middle of the night.You were like your teen self or if grammar school, then an time inclusive self?
> They said, as I pleaded for my release that "listen, we just don't know if you are just some narcissist.".
Narcissistic just begs for interpretation.
Did you participate in the thread on narcissism? Also, just me here, but there was something greatly shameful or pejorative about practicing self health esteem without a school sanctioned liscence. I recall ego battles w/instructors.> An angry man was brought into the jail, a violent guy. I knew I had to avoid contact with him, but I needed my wallet which was next to him. I needed to make phone calls for people to pick me up. I managed to get it. Sometime after that he went around shooting people. I managed to avoid him.
Angry man, your own anger at being there? He was by your wallet and by extension your point of departure.
> I walked carefully, checking each room
for those who might've been shot, but were alive and needed help. One half paralyzed woman wanted help getting her legs on the bed, a bed only of metal
wires, without a mattress. I helped her
and gave her some candy, which is what she wanted.I think how intact we might be after schooling requires an assessment.
> I was undercover as a grammar school
student, but I couldn't take the 14 hour classes. Some kids had to go to the
nurse, but we had strict criteria for that. I had to sneak out.You had to sneak out. Could you lie, shoot it up, meet lengthy exit requirements? (Methinks no.)
> We were riding a train which came to a
break in the tracks, over water. One child was pushed into the water and almost drowned. I had to do CPR on her, and she was fragile after that.Sweet pea, I'm so sorry. But you got your little girl after she was almost murdered. She's a little frail in this dream, but you have her :)
Thanks for letting me paw your dream.
Posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 2:35:36
In reply to Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 12, 2011, at 9:19:06
OK, I'm really slow.
You are just a narcissist. You should be locked up, but that is not your crime.
I get it.
My parents hung me in a repeated dream of mine.
Life is a beautiful and terrible joke.
Posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 2:38:25
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 2:35:36
This naturally begs the question.....
What was your crime?
Not being good enough?
If I may express an opinion here, that is a poor excuse for a crime.
Still, it seems to do the trick.
Posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 2:43:14
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 2:38:25
A failure as a criminal too?
Oh my goodness.
No wonder we try to blot it out.
The least we can do is wave to each other.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 15, 2011, at 12:54:18
In reply to Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 12, 2011, at 9:19:06
So you are the dream and the dreamer. If I talk about it, I'm projecting. All that said....
> This time I was in prison, which happened to be in the same building as my grammar school, so I knew the exits, and could get out. They were being picky about releasing me. They were waiting to release me to some sort of
governmental agents. They could've released me to my sister, but she had forgotten to pick me up. It was winter and the middle of the night.You were like your teen self or if grammar school, then an time inclusive self?
> They said, as I pleaded for my release that "listen, we just don't know if you are just some narcissist.".
Narcissistic just begs for interpretation.
Did you participate in the thread on narcissism? Also, just me here, but there was something greatly shameful or pejorative about practicing self health esteem without a school sanctioned liscence. I recall ego battles w/instructors.> An angry man was brought into the jail, a violent guy. I knew I had to avoid contact with him, but I needed my wallet which was next to him. I needed to make phone calls for people to pick me up. I managed to get it. Sometime after that he went around shooting people. I managed to avoid him.
Angry man, your own anger at being there? He was by your wallet and by extension your point of departure.
> I walked carefully, checking each room
for those who might've been shot, but were alive and needed help. One half paralyzed woman wanted help getting her legs on the bed, a bed only of metal
wires, without a mattress. I helped her
and gave her some candy, which is what she wanted.I think how intact we might be after schooling requires an assessment.
> I was undercover as a grammar school
student, but I couldn't take the 14 hour classes. Some kids had to go to the
nurse, but we had strict criteria for that. I had to sneak out.You had to sneak out. Could you lie, shoot it up, meet lengthy exit requirements? (Methinks no.)
> We were riding a train which came to a
break in the tracks, over water. One child was pushed into the water and almost drowned. I had to do CPR on her, and she was fragile after that.Sweet pea, I'm so sorry. But you got your little girl after she was almost murdered. She's a little frail in this dream, but you have her :)
Thanks for letting me paw your dream.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 15, 2011, at 16:15:26
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 15, 2011, at 12:54:18
Posted by floatingbridge on June 15, 2011, at 16:18:16
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 2:38:25
Methinks good enough, but not sanctioned. Therefore outside. Like Kafka.
> This naturally begs the question.....
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> What was your crime?
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> Not being good enough?
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> If I may express an opinion here, that is a poor excuse for a crime.
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> Still, it seems to do the trick.
Posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 20:11:27
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff » sigismund, posted by floatingbridge on June 15, 2011, at 16:18:16
> Therefore outside.
Not in this instance :)
This should give me the opportunity to reflect on emptiness which was at the heart of the teachings.
I obviously don't understand it. It leads to 'form is emptiness and emptiness is form' and stuff like that.
The idea is that nothing stands by itself, and therefore everything is, if not unreal, then real like dreams or rainbows or nightmares.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 15, 2011, at 21:29:13
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 20:11:27
Sigi, I'm not sure I follow. I meant outside in Kafka's way. The protagonist that stands at the heart of any of his tales, is an outsider to the system, yet has committed a crime so unnamable that only an insider could have done it. And finds himself part of it's machinery in the midst of alienation.
Or something like that. I'm sorry I didn't understand the Buddhist stuff you wrote :P
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 15, 2011, at 21:47:36
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on June 15, 2011, at 20:11:27
There's more I could say about it all. I'm just too tired at the moment.
Take care lovelies. :-)
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 16, 2011, at 23:28:39
In reply to Re: Violence trigger, dream stuff, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 15, 2011, at 21:47:36
Dreams are making a little more sense in light of recent therapy
My t and Pdoc have been addressing previous/current safety concerns with me. It is odd to be considered a danger to myself. (no, I am not currently suicidal/ a danger to myself).I was incarcerated not so long ago for being a danger to myself. Yes, I suppose I was. Never before was this a concern, and I hate it. I am fine now.
It's my own damn fault, but incarceration was not helpful and a bit traumatic.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 9:34:35
In reply to Incarceration, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 16, 2011, at 23:28:39
I was reluctant to share that, sorry fb and sig, it's a bit of a taboo for me,
Posted by floatingbridge on June 17, 2011, at 10:04:29
In reply to Re: Incarceration, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 9:34:35
Honey, I'm sorry that happened. You only share what you want--never any more. Sigi and I did pretty good. Did you find anything helpful? (That's o.k.if not. I did just paw your dream.)
I'm glad these are going to your therapist. They are big dreams.
When you say incarcerated, you mean
hospital or jail? Believe me, I do believe the traumatic background. I think many on babble would :(Hugs,
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Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 18:15:52
In reply to no apologies necessary sweetie » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 17, 2011, at 10:04:29
"hospital"
My own damn fault, a new experience for me that I could have done without.
You guys always help :-). Thank you
The angry guy....Well, I certainly did have to step carefully around my own anger. I was a non-person for a while. However, not existing (temporarily) does have it's advantages.
As far as I could tell, I was supposed to be a socially deviant moron, without rights and not to be trusted about a damn thing. I served my sentence.
I just drew pictures, what else could I do?
A couple of patients broke down the door, very silly.
But that kid in the water? I was too vulnerable and had too much to handle, or at least I didn't care to handle it. My crime, being a selfish f*ck*r.
School? Well that was prison too, with a different set of torments. My dreams have me stuck there too.
Why I was going around in that dream though checking on the dead and injured I'll never know. Guilt?Last night I woke up talking in my sleep, something close to whimpering. I had a dream that vermin were getting into the house I was in. Something gave way, and they swarmed in. Flies, ridiculous amounts of flies, like in that amityville horror movie scene, were getting into the room.
I was desperately trying to kill them with insecticide. Maybe it was the thunderstorm we had in the wee hours of the morn.
However, right now I am just tired.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 17, 2011, at 18:46:51
In reply to Re: no apologies necessary sweetie, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 18:15:52
Last night, my dreams were filled with insect type creatures. Maybe you know this, like oh look a black ant, oh look another one to giant beetle black crabs from where? space? Overrunning the bed covers. Everywhere and looking more malevolent than any neutral creature.
Hey, so maybe you did some selfish things. I don't know what ages you are talking about. But you are not a selfish f*ck*r if I am quoting you correctly.
Everyone does selfish things. There's a gosh darn big fat book called 'the selfish gene'.
My therapists over the years have invited me to listen to the voice behind my own. When I rant that I am stupid, selfish, no good, guilty, their is another voice in the mix. The voice that called me those names first. Being both sensitive and competitive, my move was preemptive. I'll call myself names first.
You hang in there lambchop, vermin and all. You're out. You're safe. You're just looking at the wreck (my 2¢).
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"hospital"
> My own damn fault, a new experience for me that I could have done without.
> You guys always help :-). Thank you
> The angry guy....Well, I certainly did have to step carefully around my own anger. I was a non-person for a while. However, not existing (temporarily) does have it's advantages.
> As far as I could tell, I was supposed to be a socially deviant moron, without rights and not to be trusted about a damn thing. I served my sentence.
> I just drew pictures, what else could I do?
> A couple of patients broke down the door, very silly.
> But that kid in the water? I was too vulnerable and had too much to handle, or at least I didn't care to handle it. My crime, being a selfish f*ck*r.
> School? Well that was prison too, with a different set of torments. My dreams have me stuck there too.
> Why I was going around in that dream though checking on the dead and injured I'll never know. Guilt?
>
> Last night I woke up talking in my sleep, something close to whimpering. I had a dream that vermin were getting into the house I was in. Something gave way, and they swarmed in. Flies, ridiculous amounts of flies, like in that amityville horror movie scene, were getting into the room.
> I was desperately trying to kill them with insecticide. Maybe it was the thunderstorm we had in the wee hours of the morn.
>
>
> However, right now I am just tired.
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Posted by sigismund on June 17, 2011, at 20:50:03
In reply to twin dreams on different coasts? » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 17, 2011, at 18:46:51
I don't remember my dreams. My holistic doc says I should take more pyridoxyl 5 phosphate.
With sleepygirl, I have always been impressed by the ethical dimension of her irritation. Very attractive.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 21:00:48
In reply to Re: twin dreams on different coasts?, posted by sigismund on June 17, 2011, at 20:50:03
There's an ethical dimension? How so?
Posted by sigismund on June 17, 2011, at 21:06:56
In reply to Re: twin dreams on different coasts? » sigismund, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 21:00:48
I dunno :)
You say, well I say, these things. I can't explain, but it is something I have said to myself about you for ages.
I suppose it is an intuition.
It may, of course, be complete crap.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 21:16:54
In reply to Re: twin dreams on different coasts? » sleepygirl2, posted by sigismund on June 17, 2011, at 21:06:56
I dunno either. If you figure it out, let me know.
Thanks. :-)
Posted by sigismund on June 17, 2011, at 21:27:33
In reply to Re: twin dreams on different coasts? » sigismund, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 21:16:54
I might have a future in advertising.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 17, 2011, at 21:31:58
In reply to Re: twin dreams on different coasts? » sleepygirl2, posted by sigismund on June 17, 2011, at 21:27:33
Why sig??
You know, I've meant to read "sellevision" by Augusten Burroughs, knowing his style, it could be interesting.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 17, 2011, at 21:38:56
In reply to Re: twin dreams on different coasts? » sleepygirl2, posted by sigismund on June 17, 2011, at 21:06:56
I dunno either. Maybe giving candy to invalids, saving pushed children, remaining sane within insanity? Just throwing stuff out there. Staring down the machine. Now it's my turn to consider a career move :P
> I dunno :)
>
> You say, well I say, these things. I can't explain, but it is something I have said to myself about you for ages.
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> I suppose it is an intuition
>
> It may, of course, be complete crap.
I say trust your gut on this one :)
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