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Posted by yesac on July 30, 2003, at 12:55:30
Is he only on periodically? For a while about a month ago it seemed like he was on a lot... now I never see him on.
Posted by lil' jimi on July 31, 2003, at 1:12:51
In reply to whatever happened to lil jimi?, posted by yesac on July 30, 2003, at 12:55:30
hi yesac!
it is So Sweet that you asked for me !!
i am way touched!... i've wondered if i might have some kind of mild OCD because i can get wrapped up posting and reading ... and like, i had to read the whole lex thread before i would let myself post ... took me so long i had recovered from my lex SEs by the time i could ask for support and by then i had learned so much .... i could GIVE support ... (yeah!)
... but i read the boards complusively and i have a LOT of respect for dr. bob having the "anti-addition" limits option ...
i have been posting at pBab Faith a lot lately when i have had the time, and that has (i just noticed) cut into reading Social .... ....
.... ... and i haven't been online everyday and we went to the coast a few weeks back, so , yes i have only been on_periodically_, BUT i am So gratefull i was looking here when i saw your message ... ... .... this is so fun!
you can always shake my tree (and i hope you will!) by posting to any thread i have posted to because i always select the "notify you of later followups ... "-option and that will get dr. bob's magic machines to send me an e-mail ... and then pretty quick-like i'll come running!
so ....
How are You??(this is a lot later than i'd like it to be because i write so SLOW!)
TAKE CARE!!!!
~ jim
Posted by yesac on July 31, 2003, at 12:05:29
In reply to re: Here I am!, posted by lil' jimi on July 31, 2003, at 1:12:51
> it is So Sweet that you asked for me !!
> i am way touched!Well, I just was thinking about how we had had some good chats a while back, and I was wondering what happened to you, because I thought that you added a lot to the board, or at least for me!
> and like, i had to read the whole lex thread before i would let myself postYeah, I often read whole threads too - mainly because I just don't want to post the same thing that someone else did, and then look like an A-hole!
> i have been posting at pBab Faith a lot lately when i have had the time, and that has (i just noticed) cut into reading Social .... ....Oh, well I VERY RARELY go over to Faith - just not into it - I also almost never go to psychological.
I hope you had a good time on your vacation to the coast (I'm assuming it was a vacation). I want to go on a vacation, but I honestly don't know where to go or what to do, plus I don't have a lot of extra money right now. My friend and I have been talking about going to the SW (new mexico, arizona, etc) renting a car and driving all over to national parks and such. The plan is to go in late september, but I feel so stressed about money lately (mostly due to mental health costs). I don't want to back out though either. Hmmm... what to do?
> How are You??Up and down. This week I feel pretty good. I've felt a bit high lately almost - like a caffeine high, except it's weird because I haven't been consuming much more caffeine that usual. And I've never been hypomanic or anything like that, not even close, so it seems rather unlikely that that's what it is. Maybe maybe maybe my medication is actually doing something. Who knows?
Well, I hope to see you back soon! But no pressure - if you are out enjoying your life, then I wouldn't want you to feel like you need to come and spend time on the board unless you want to.
Posted by lil' jimi on July 31, 2003, at 14:20:56
In reply to re: Here I am! » lil' jimi, posted by yesac on July 31, 2003, at 12:05:29
hi yesac!
> > it is So Sweet that you asked for me !!
> > i am way touched!
>
> Well, I just was thinking about how we had had some good chats a while back, and I was wondering what happened to you, because I thought that you added a lot to the board, or at least for me!aaaawwww, way sweet! ... you know, i nearly cried when i read your post asking after me ... really touching! ... thanks!
>
> > and like, i had to read the whole lex thread before i would let myself post
>
> Yeah, I often read whole threads too - mainly because I just don't want to post the same thing that someone else did, and then look like an A-hole!
>... well, me too ... ... the lex thread is more than a year long now ... ... but i was reading because i needed the support about lex during my SEs ... then i have read other entire threads just to get the _thread_ , to be able to post ... and not look like a b-hole ... ... HA!
> > i have been posting at pBab Faith a lot lately when i have had the time, and that has (i just noticed) cut into reading Social .... ....
>
> Oh, well I VERY RARELY go over to Faith - just not into it - I also almost never go to psychological.
>haven't found a hook for me at Psychological ... actually i post to the lex thread as often as anywhere ... but i have been trying my little buddhist thing at Faith ... not so much of the "Believe This!" thing going on there either ... ... Faith has it's interesting twists though ... ... if you were to go and read my posts, you'd find out a LOT about me ... ... not a big thing though ...
> I hope you had a good time on your vacation to the coast (I'm assuming it was a vacation).
"vacation" ... ... a LOT of ...effort... and some fun with our small one, one afternoon at the beach ... but also a massive stressor ... i had to be forced to go and then i had to force myself to not complain ... should NOT spoil the team's fun! .. ... .... but, yes, it was a vacvation ... in Corpus Christi ...
> I want to go on a vacation, but I honestly don't know where to go or what to do, plus I don't have a lot of extra money right now. My friend and I have been talking about going to the SW (new mexico, arizona, etc) renting a car and driving all over to national parks and such. The plan is to go in late september, but I feel so stressed about money lately (mostly due to mental health costs). I don't want to back out though either. Hmmm... what to do?
>yikes! ... ... as you just read, i'm like NO Good there ... especially if you're cash-strapped ... stress on top of more stress ... not me, please ... although, folks will tell us that getting out and breaking our routine is good for us (?)
... ... but we have this girl friend of ours and she travels ALL the time, but never bothers to get it together here and Enjoys leaving it all behind ansd blowing it off until she has to come home .... .... i can't really do that ...
>
> > How are You??
>
> Up and down. This week I feel pretty good. I've felt a bit high lately almost - like a caffeine high, except it's weird because I haven't been consuming much more caffeine that usual. And I've never been hypomanic or anything like that, not even close, so it seems rather unlikely that that's what it is. Maybe maybe maybe my medication is actually doing something. Who knows?
>would this be time for you to adjust your med(s)?
i have lost track of your regimen: sx, dx, tx, rx?
me:
sx: depressed
dx: depression
tx: lexapro
rx: 10mg a day, for now> Well, I hope to see you back soon! But no pressure - if you are out enjoying your life, then I wouldn't want you to feel like you need to come and spend time on the board unless you want to.
>no pressure felt! ... this feels good to me ...
hoping everyday isn't too soon, is it? ... ...
... ... when i find time, i want to visit here ... and chat with you ... ... we have had good chats ...... ... but SomeTimes, our 4 1/2 year-old wants to do something(s) else ... ... although he tends to be asleep by 9 to 9:30 ... ... last night i was posting here at like 1:30 AM cdt (!) .. and got to work by 8 AM, too ....
... and life has been filling up with other things, so sometimes i may not be here ...
... but if you needed anything, just post to me and i'll get back to you as soon as is comfortable ... ... it would make me feel better if i felt you would give me a shout whenever you felt like it ... please?so, is your vacation/travel companion like a significant-other type, or more like a roommamte type?
cheers,
~ jim
Posted by yesac on July 31, 2003, at 16:41:10
In reply to re: Here we are! » yesac, posted by lil' jimi on July 31, 2003, at 14:20:56
> ... ... but we have this girl friend of ours and she travels ALL the time, but never bothers to get it together here and Enjoys leaving it all behind ansd blowing it off until she has to come home .... .... i can't really do that ...
Oh, I'm certainly not trying to say that I always have a totally great time on vacations. No, I can't leave it all behind either. Not at all. I can't escape myself, unfortunately. But it can be nice just to get away from the routine and my stressors at home. A lot of the time, though, I do feel rather depressed and stressed during my vacations, but I don't want to let that stop me from trying to see new things and go to interesting places.
> would this be time for you to adjust your med(s)?I've been in the process of adjusting my meds for several months now. Haven't ever really found a good regimen. So I just keep trying new and different things. You can't imagine how much I want something to work!! Well, maybe you can. The mild ups and downs are fairly usual for me. But this week I haven't felt too down much, but today for some reason has been really irratic and I keep feeling these very mild mood swings. Like, I periodically feel just a bit like I want to cry, but I feel somewhat wired as well.
> i have lost track of your regimen: sx, dx, tx, rx?
ME:
> sx: depressed, some ADD symptoms, some social phob symptoms
> dx: depression, officially
> tx: right now - parnate, lamictal, just started neurontin
> rx: Rx? Does that mean dose? Well, if it does... P-60mg, L- 200mg, N-600mgOh, well, I guess it's probably not likely that 4.5 year olds would want to spend their time on PB! Maybe they'd rather play with Daddy or something. Kids - what are you gonna do?
> ... but if you needed anything, just post to me and i'll get back to you as soon as is comfortable ... ... it would make me feel better if i felt you would give me a shout whenever you felt like it ... please?
Okay. Sounds good.
> so, is your vacation/travel companion like a significant-other type, or more like a roommamte type?
Neither - she is my best friend. But, my goodness, we do have issues. I even feel a bit hesitant to travel with her right now. We have definitely had some really great times in the past, traveling and otherwise. And I love her... but, lately she's gotten a bit annoying to me for various reasons... We don't live near each other either, so we don't see that much of each other, not like in college.
Talk to you soon, I hope!
Posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 3:59:23
In reply to re: Here we are! » lil' jimi, posted by yesac on July 31, 2003, at 16:41:10
hi yesac!
> Oh, I'm certainly not trying to say that I always have a totally great time on vacations. No, I can't leave it all behind either. Not at all. I can't escape myself, unfortunately. But it can be nice just to get away from the routine and my stressors at home. A lot of the time, though, I do feel rather depressed and stressed during my vacations, but I don't want to let that stop me from trying to see new things and go to interesting places.
>besides the stress of vacations, i'll add to it the stress of dragging the stress from home with me ... ... but i think part of it is the stress generated by the others on vacation .. .... ... you definitely are better at it than i am .... 20 or more years ago i'd go traveling with my friends and we all had great times ... now i feel like my responsibilities make me want to straighten out the house, get that mortgage, choose that health insurance ... and take a BIG NAP ...
> > would this be time for you to adjust your med(s)?
>
> I've been in the process of adjusting my meds for several months now. Haven't ever really found a good regimen. So I just keep trying new and different things. You can't imagine how much I want something to work!! Well, maybe you can. The mild ups and downs are fairly usual for me. But this week I haven't felt too down much, but today for some reason has been really irratic and I keep feeling these very mild mood swings. Like, I periodically feel just a bit like I want to cry, but I feel somewhat wired as well.
>
well, you sound pretty good ... must be working .. . ... (?)> > i have lost track of your regimen: sx, dx, tx, rx?
>
> ME:
> > sx: depressed, some ADD symptoms, some social phob symptoms
> > dx: depression, officially
> > tx: right now - parnate, lamictal, just started neurontin
> > rx: Rx? Does that mean dose? Well, if it does... P-60mg, L- 200mg, N-600mg
>
> Oh, well, I guess it's probably not likely that 4.5 year olds would want to spend their time on PB! Maybe they'd rather play with Daddy or something. Kids - what are you gonna do?
>the little guy is such a powerful antidepressant ... once he saw me sad ... told me i needed a band-aid ... he put one on me ... and i was all better ... and he likes his Rescue Heroes ... he plays their computer game, sometimes, beside me while i'm pB-ing on the other computer ... i have my dad's dell next to my imac... ...
> > ... but if you needed anything, just post to me and i'll get back to you as soon as is comfortable ... ... it would make me feel better if i felt you would give me a shout whenever you felt like it ... please?
>
> Okay. Sounds good.
>
> > so, is your vacation/travel companion like a significant-other type, or more like a roommamte type?
>
> Neither - she is my best friend. But, my goodness, we do have issues. I even feel a bit hesitant to travel with her right now. We have definitely had some really great times in the past, traveling and otherwise. And I love her... but, lately she's gotten a bit annoying to me for various reasons... We don't live near each other either, so we don't see that much of each other, not like in college.
>
> Talk to you soon, I hope!i used to ride with companions and often alone, by motorcycle(s) out to california .. .. to camp out on Mt. Shasta ... .... for weeks, in tents ... climbed to the summit once ... it was 30 years ago now ... ... i hope you can have that kind of fun and adventure with your friend ...
take care,
~ jim
Posted by lostsailor on August 1, 2003, at 12:04:03
In reply to re: Here we go! » yesac, posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 3:59:23
Posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 13:46:21
In reply to been All Along the Watchtower and back, WB jimi!! (nm), posted by lostsailor on August 1, 2003, at 12:04:03
hey tony!
thanks for the "Welcome Back", there, you ol' Sea Dog!
... ... and your Hendrixian selection is Way appropriate, man!
... like you and i could do all those Dylan lyrics as our own dialog here, you know ..."There must some way outta here ..."
... now, who's gonna be the Joker and who is gonna be the Thief?
... but between us, neither is "speaking falsely" ... .. so maybe not ...
... but i'm still casting us in the video of Jimi's classic ..."Out there in the cold distance ... a wild cat did growl ... "
thanks again, Sailor Man!
KEEP ROCKIN'!!
~ jimp.s. you been traveling lately, too?
Posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 13:49:07
In reply to re: All Along the Watchtower back, WB jimi!! » lostsailor, posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 13:46:21
Posted by yesac on August 1, 2003, at 16:19:03
In reply to re: Here we go! » yesac, posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 3:59:23
> ... but i think part of it is the stress generated by the others on vacation .. .... ... you definitely are better at it than i am ....
I am? Well, I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but I think that definitely the others you are with can be stressful, just having to be with them 24/7, make decisions together like where you're going to go, what you're going to do, what time to get up... Also, though, I think that the other people who are on vacation as well, people you don't know, can add stress or for me depression. Because I look and it seems like they are having such a great time and I often don't feel like I am too.
> now i feel like my responsibilities make me want to straighten out the house, get that mortgage, choose that health insurance ... and take a BIG NAP ...
I think that that type of vacation can be better than a going-away vacation, because it is just more relaxed and you're getting things taken care of that maybe you haven't exactly had time for...
> well, you sound pretty good ... must be working .. . ... (?)
Hmmm... really not so sure about that. So hard to tell.
> the little guy is such a powerful antidepressant ... once he saw me sad ... told me i needed a band-aid ... he put one on me ... and i was all better ... and he likes his Rescue Heroes ... he plays their computer game, sometimes, beside me while i'm pB-ing on the other computer ... i have my dad's dell next to my imac... ...That's cool. I don't know what rescue heroes is. So, you can get some quality time in with him as well as quality time with PB at the same time! What's his name, if you don't mind me asking?
> i used to ride with companions and often alone, by motorcycle(s) out to california .. .. to camp out on Mt. Shasta ... .... for weeks, in tents ... climbed to the summit once ... it was 30 years ago now ... ... i hope you can have that kind of fun and adventure with your friend ...
That does sound like so much fun. I long to be carefree like that. I always think that things like that sound so fun, and it looks like people have such a good time, but when I find myself actually doing things that should be fun and adventurous, I usually am not having fun. I am usually depressed. But at least in doing them, I feel like I am not wasting my life away. Feel like I am trying to experience life.
By the way, your description reminds me of the book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - you know the one - a book that I must say I thought would be cool, but I had to stop reading it halfway through because I couldn't stand it!
Posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 19:32:23
In reply to vacations, depression, kids, adventure! » lil' jimi, posted by yesac on August 1, 2003, at 16:19:03
hi yesac,
> > ... but i think part of it is the stress generated by the others on vacation .. .... ... you definitely are better at it than i am ....
>
> I am? Well, I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but I think that definitely the others you are with can be stressful, just having to be with them 24/7, make decisions together like where you're going to go, what you're going to do, what time to get up... Also, though, I think that the other people who are on vacation as well, people you don't know, can add stress or for me depression. Because I look and it seems like they are having such a great time and I often don't feel like I am too.
>aye, you got me there lassie! ...
... ... yours are the greater stressors ... and your responses are more severe too ... you win!see, i was being too oblique to be understood ... sorry ... i was referring to, or rather, i was trying not to refer to how much my darling-sweetheart-angel-soulmate-wife can drive up the proverbial wall when she is into her hurry up mode ... which goes (and goes) for every vacation and all holidays ... ... and because i'm slow, i get stressed that i'm in trouble with her about it ... this can lead to tug-of-war between the hurry ups versus my lets-slow-down ... ... not really relaxing ... and not something i wanted to reveal ... ... isn't That interesting?(!) .... that i really don't want to go there ..(?) ... major, Hmmmmm ....
> > now i feel like my responsibilities make me want to straighten out the house, get that mortgage, choose that health insurance ... and take a BIG NAP ...
>
> I think that that type of vacation can be better than a going-away vacation, because it is just more relaxed and you're getting things taken care of that maybe you haven't exactly had time for...
>EXACTLY my idea of a vacation! ... getting the things done that need getting out of the way in order to be able to relax on a vacation ... and doing them at your leisure ... oh, yeah ...
> > well, you sound pretty good ... must be working .. . ... (?)
>
> Hmmm... really not so sure about that. So hard to tell.
>
> > the little guy is such a powerful antidepressant ... once he saw me sad ... told me i needed a band-aid ... he put one on me ... and i was all better ... and he likes his Rescue Heroes ... he plays their computer game, sometimes, beside me while i'm pB-ing on the other computer ... i have my dad's dell next to my imac... ...
>
> That's cool. I don't know what rescue heroes is. So, you can get some quality time in with him as well as quality time with PB at the same time! What's his name, if you don't mind me asking?
>Robert Santiago M. : our very own small Super Hero ... ... his current favorite computer game features his heroes from the animated tv series "Rescue Heroes" ... who are a team of hightech first-responders: there's a fire fighter; a underwater guy; a forest ranger; a chopper pilot; et cetera ... (women are included, of course)
... Santiago (as i call him; his mom calls him "Roberto") enjoys when we are at the computers together, but he also likes it when we gang up on his computer games together ... he tells me we're a team ... but he has unlimited access to me when we are home ... to the point that he lets me know he's got enough and wants to do something without me ... which i respect and take as a measure of success on my part: he has gotten as much of me as he wants ... and he is still little enough that i can get very mushy with hin and he doesn't complain ... yet ... but the day is coming when he'll have me cut that down to a minimum .... ..... he gets to know that these are things i let him decide ... he enjoys that and i get to feel confident that he knows how much i care for him ... he is a good guy to his mother and i too>
> > i used to ride with companions and often alone, by motorcycle(s) out to california .. .. to camp out on Mt. Shasta ... .... for weeks, in tents ... climbed to the summit once ... it was 30 years ago now ... ... i hope you can have that kind of fun and adventure with your friend ...
>
> That does sound like so much fun. I long to be carefree like that. I always think that things like that sound so fun, and it looks like people have such a good time, but when I find myself actually doing things that should be fun and adventurous, I usually am not having fun. I am usually depressed. But at least in doing them, I feel like I am not wasting my life away. Feel like I am trying to experience life.
>
> By the way, your description reminds me of the book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - you know the one - a book that I must say I thought would be cool, but I had to stop reading it halfway through because I couldn't stand it!
>this Is Too Ironic .... and demands a separate post .... .... next time! ... only a little later i hope ...
take care there!
~ jim
Posted by yesac on August 2, 2003, at 18:47:58
In reply to re: vacations, depression, kids, adventure! » yesac, posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 19:32:23
> and your responses are more severe too ... you win!
Oh, come now, it's not about winning! (it's how you play the game?)... or more, it's just about interesting conversation for me.
> darling-sweetheart-angel-soulmate-wife can drive up the proverbial wall when she is into her hurry up mode ... which goes (and goes) for every vacation and all holidays ... ... and because i'm slow, i get stressed that i'm in trouble with her about it ... this can lead to tug-of-war between the hurry ups versus my lets-slow-down ... ... not really relaxing ...
Wow... I know Just What You Mean about the hurry-up-let's-do-as-much-as-we-can versus the more relaxed pace. Except - I have to admit - I am the hurry up one. Not that I don't sometimes like to sit down, chill out, and just take it all in... but, well, I just can't help myself from trying to rush around and do as much as possible. It just makes me feel like I've accomplished more with my vacation. I know that in some ways it doesn't make sense, because it should be more about quality than quantity, but like I said, I can't help it. And. This friend I told you about, who I do a lot of traveling with. She is beyond slow. Not only if we are on vacation, but just always. I shouldn't say ALWAYS, but usually. It drives me up a wall! Actually, come to think of it, I guess she is better when traveling than just when we are hanging around.
> EXACTLY my idea of a vacation! ... getting the things done that need getting out of the way in order to be able to relax on a vacation ... and doing them at your leisure ... oh, yeah ...It's just that it isn't particularly FUN. Maybe the best bet is to spend a few days in the beginning of a vacation taking care of those things, then go on vacation-vacation. Or, I also think that a vacation where you stay at home, but go off on some day-trips could be good. Then, you don't have to worry about hotels, eating out, planes trains and automobiles, etc. You get to return home to the comforts of - well, home. I might be doing some of that in a month or so, if and when my parents come to visit me.
> series "Rescue Heroes" ... who are a team of hightech first-responders: there's a fire fighter; a underwater guy; a forest ranger; a chopper pilot; et cetera ... (women are included, of course)
That sounds like such a good, positive game for a youngster!
> ... to the point that he lets me know he's got enough and wants to do something without me ...
Sounds like he's learned about "boundaries" and asserting his needs/desires already. A skill that will serve him well in the rest of his life, if he can manage to keep it up. And manage to not go overboard with it, so as to be totally inflexible and demanding and self-serving. Well, I'm going off a bit, but I'm just trying to say that it's good, because a lot of people/adults don't know how to do that very well and get walked over and/or don't very often get what they want, don't respect themselves and their needs...
> ... and he is still little enough that i can get very mushy with hin and he doesn't complain ... yet ... but the day is coming when he'll have me cut that down to a minimum ....
I'm sure it won't be for a while though!
> > the book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - you know the one
> this Is Too Ironic .... and demands a separate post .... .... next time! ... only a little later i hope ...Hmmm - considering your Buddhist-ness, I'm wondering about what you have to say...
Posted by lil' jimi on August 4, 2003, at 16:03:29
In reply to re: vacations, depression, kids, adventure! » lil' jimi, posted by yesac on August 2, 2003, at 18:47:58
hi yesac!
> > and your responses are more severe too ... you win!
>
> ... ... (it's how you play the game?)... ...
>i love the implication that mental health isn't about winning or losing it's about ...
> Wow... I know Just What You Mean about the hurry-up-let's-do-as-much-as-we-can versus the more relaxed pace. Except - I have to admit - I am the hurry up one. Not that I don't sometimes like to sit down, chill out, and just take it all in... but, well, I just can't help myself from trying to rush around and do as much as possible. It just makes me feel like I've accomplished more with my vacation. I know that in some ways it doesn't make sense, because it should be more about quality than quantity, but like I said, I can't help it. And. This friend I told you about, who I do a lot of traveling with. She is beyond slow. Not only if we are on vacation, but just always. I shouldn't say ALWAYS, but usually. It drives me up a wall! Actually, come to think of it, I guess she is better when traveling than just when we are hanging around.
>okay, one time when i didn't go on a motorcycle or go camping, me and my buddy, Robb, drove his datsun B210 ... together for 2 weeks ... starting in austin; we went to
new orleans for the jazz hertiage festival
.... then back through austin on our way to visit his friends in ...
el paso
... then to visit my mom's family in ...
phoenix
... then we went to the
grande canyon ... ... for like 20 minutes (!!!) ...
... then ...
march afb ... spent an hour looking for my brother ... didn't find him
escondido ca ... stayed 3 nights with my friends
san diego
juarez mexico ... 3 hour walk through
north hollywood ca ... stayed 2 nights visiting another of Robb's friends
san fransico .... saw stan getz ! ...
portland or ... one night
seatle wa ... stayed at Robb's friends ... 5 days
vancouver ... one afternoon
seatle again
bozeman montana ... fixed a blow out ... 2 nights
yellowstone national park .... at about 70 mph ... flew through and saw Ol' Fathful: all in under 2 hours!
denver ... didn't stop except for gas
salinas kansas
oklahoma city ... a day ... visited my sister
dallas
austin13 states
3 countries
2 blown tires
2 weeks
3,000 miles
felt like we got a lot done ... i guessand you wrote:
> > > the book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" - you know the one
>once upon a time in the seventies ...
... ... "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maitenance" had just come out and was real popular among my friends then, so i was reading it when donna and her boyfriend (can't remember his name) decided they would go out to Mt. Shasta on our motorcycles: ... i on my honda 750; .. they on their bmw 750 ...
.. ... .. i read slow and was still in my book when we left ... but i had gotten to the part where the protagonists had started driving out west on their motorcycles, one, a bmw ...
... ... so i'm reading slower than we're riding ... hook up with friends in escondido ... head north to Mt. Shasta ... while i'm camping on Mt. Shasta, i get to read the part where the hero goes mountain climbing ... this i read the night before i and some other friends climb the summit of Mt. Shasta ... these synchronicities are compounding at this point for me ... ...
... ... fortunately, i don't turn out like the book, wherein our hero has a ... psychotic break, i believe it's called ... he (author Robert Pirsig) suffers a personal psychological alavlache while trying to climb his mountain, which i beleive was a metaphorical mountain ... ... anyway that book made my trip more exciting and more spooky for me ... good book though ... ...and those are the tales from my 70s traveling days ... ... i just don't feel up to it so much anymore ... ...
... ... for one (BIG) thing ...
... motorcycling across the country is about endurance ... your personal endurance ... in the absence of any, like, _comfort_ ... ... its about your stamina
... ... rain
... ... desert heat
... ... sudden storms at night in the mountains
... ... riding for 2 hours straight without anything in your helmet but the sound of the road and your thoughts
... ... then get off to pump gas in the middle of nowhere at 3 AM
... maintenance, repair, perserverance ... ... ...
... ... going by car is about 1000% more comfortable .... and easier ... really no comparison ... .... rationally, cars, vans, trucks are better ... ... long-distnce highway motorcycling is
... way out there
... looks romantic
... feels masochistic
.... .... seriously ... ...so nowadays i'd just as soon stay home ... and write to you ...
TAKE CARE !!
~ jimp.s. still hoping you'r edoing better there!
~ j
Posted by yesac on August 4, 2003, at 17:01:33
In reply to re: vacations And adventure! » yesac, posted by lil' jimi on August 4, 2003, at 16:03:29
Don't have a lot of time right now, but...
That sounds like a pretty frenetic vacation, if you want to call it vacation. Did you have fun though, was it enjoyable? Or just hectic?
Zen and MM... I think that maybe I just wasn't exactly following. Maybe it was too abstract for me or something, but after reading about half, I just couldn't take it anymore! So I stopped.
I'm doing *okay* today. Just feeling right now my usual sense of anxiety about going home, the day ending, what will I do with myself, etc. Also, I feel sad lately because it seems like there really aren't many people on the board, or they aren't on as much as usual, for whatever reason. Vacation, too depressed, too busy, I don't know. A lot of "regulars" who are usually on most days seem to have disappeared more-or-less.
Well, I am glad that you are on! I just wish there were a few more people...
Posted by lil' jimi on August 4, 2003, at 18:20:41
In reply to re: vacations And adventure! » lil' jimi, posted by yesac on August 4, 2003, at 17:01:33
hi yesac,
> That sounds like a pretty frenetic vacation, if you want to call it vacation. Did you have fun though, was it enjoyable? Or just hectic?
>30 years ago it seemed fun ... ... now it seems way hectic
> Zen and MM... I think that maybe I just wasn't exactly following. Maybe it was too abstract for me or something, but after reading about half, I just couldn't take it anymore! So I stopped.
>not really the best book in the world, but at that time ... ... aahhhhh, yes .... i was there for it ... ... it was like it was focused at me .... .... (!)
> I'm doing *okay* today. Just feeling right now my usual sense of anxiety about going home, the day ending, what will I do with myself, etc. Also, I feel sad lately because it seems like there really aren't many people on the board, or they aren't on as much as usual, for whatever reason. Vacation, too depressed, too busy, I don't know. A lot of "regulars" who are usually on most days seem to have disappeared more-or-less.
>
> Well, I am glad that you are on! I just wish there were a few more people...well, we may just have to scare them up here ... ... we can always start new threads and ask for folks to jump in!
hang in there and ...
take care!
~ jim
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