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Posted by kiwiredbeach on October 18, 2006, at 21:42:14
I have all the classic signs of zinc deficiency such as white spots on fingernails, large ridges on nails, cracked peeling skin near fingernails. I have also had hair mineral analysis which showed low zinc and low magnesium.
However Im taking zinc suppliments and the signs are not getting better. Im constantly developing more white spots and the ridges havent gone and evem more skin is peeling back from the skin near the base of the nail.
Any tips or ideas to improve absorbtion of zinc would be greatly appreciated
Cheers Kiwiredbeach
PS I took some glutamine powder today and I cant sleep at all-- any one else with similar experinces
Posted by Declan on October 19, 2006, at 14:24:41
In reply to Sorry for so many posts but one more question, posted by kiwiredbeach on October 18, 2006, at 21:42:14
You have a reason for taking glutamine?
Can glutamine lead to the glutamate toxicity thing?
I read somewhere something about that.
Posted by kiwiredbeach on October 19, 2006, at 15:18:01
In reply to Glutamine » kiwiredbeach, posted by Declan on October 19, 2006, at 14:24:41
> You have a reason for taking glutamine?
>
> Can glutamine lead to the glutamate toxicity thing?
>
> I read somewhere something about that.
Im not sure, id had some users who have some success with glutamine so I thought it worth a try. However I found it way tooooo stimulating
Didnt sleep for 30 hours after and that was a dose of 1000mgMind due I want be doing that in a hurry again
Posted by dmlvt on October 20, 2006, at 9:47:43
In reply to Re: Glutamine, posted by kiwiredbeach on October 19, 2006, at 15:18:01
I use a post-excercise recovery drink that includes whey protein and maltodextrin and it also has added glutamine.
I use this after any workout in excess of 60 minutes and I get 3000-6000mg of L-glutamine. After a 60 minute workout, I'd get 3000mg, but I take twice as much after my weekly long run, and I get 6000mg then. I drink this late in the morning and I never have problems falling asleep.
dml
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 20, 2006, at 14:38:38
In reply to Sorry for so many posts but one more question, posted by kiwiredbeach on October 18, 2006, at 21:42:14
Hey
> Any tips or ideas to improve absorbtion of zinc would be greatly appreciated
Man, its complicated...I'm too tired to remember all the details, and I don't have my nutrition books with me at the mo, but buy this book :
"the optimum nutrition bible" by this guy called Patrick Holford.....the links are to the Amazon in the USA, but obviously you can buy this book in the UK (the author is British - in fact, any nutritionists with the letters ION after their name trained at the school he started for nutritional training...you ever seen 'the food doctor' or his products he trained there anyway)
Its a good start with nutritional issues (which BTW don't bother seeing a nutritionist...everything you need to know is essentially in that book, and you seem smart enough and its not hard to understand...)
Buy a good (i mean very good) multivitamin/mineral in the forms that are easily absorbable - they'll be more expensive but hey.
I actually get mine from highernature (google it).
Zinc definciey is the most common definciey (sorry I can't spell!) around in developed countries.
Magnesium is supposed to be fanatastic for anxetiy issues. Jlx has had an absolutely positively fantastic response to magnesium.
Larry Hoover (a very respected ex-poster) didn't really rate those hair mineral analysis things, in fact he was rather critical of them but hey. I have no idea, I've always been too skint to have them done. I'd personally go on symptoms. Although sub-clinically they might be harder to spot.
Have you thought about fish oil too?
just some ideas....
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by kiwiredbeach on October 20, 2006, at 16:53:08
In reply to Re: Sorry for so many posts but one more question » kiwiredbeach, posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 20, 2006, at 14:38:38
Thanks Meri-Tuuli
I wonder how much zinc and maganesium I should be taking
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 21, 2006, at 1:31:20
In reply to Re: Sorry for so many posts but one more question, posted by kiwiredbeach on October 20, 2006, at 16:53:08
It says in that book I recommended.... it also says what the toxic level is too....
Posted by Jlx on October 21, 2006, at 13:33:50
In reply to Sorry for so many posts but one more question, posted by kiwiredbeach on October 18, 2006, at 21:42:14
> I have all the classic signs of zinc deficiency such as white spots on fingernails, large ridges on nails, cracked peeling skin near fingernails. I have also had hair mineral analysis which showed low zinc and low magnesium.
>
> However Im taking zinc suppliments and the signs are not getting better. Im constantly developing more white spots and the ridges havent gone and evem more skin is peeling back from the skin near the base of the nail.
>
> Any tips or ideas to improve absorbtion of zinc would be greatly appreciated
>
> Cheers Kiwiredbeach
>
> PS I took some glutamine powder today and I cant sleep at all-- any one else with similar experincesToo much glutamine makes me feel terrible. In my case, that's anything over 500 mg at a time.
Taurine will probably counteract the effect of too much glutamine.
You ask in a subsequent post how much zinc or magnesium to take. Besides the recommended book, I would recommend this one also by Patrick Holford: "Optimum Nutrition for the Mind"
Here is a page about magnesium, that includes considerations for when you need more and also a helpful by-body-weight calculation, from a nutritionist:
http://www.krispin.com/magnes.html
Zinc can be problematical in that too much can suppress the immune system -- is my understanding, although short bursts of larger amounts may be helpful to the immune system. What kind of zinc are you taking? Perhaps you are not absorbing what you're taking for some reason.
Supplements are best considered and taken in a holistic manner, imo, so that you are not overloading on something that in turn depletes something else, or conversely not getting benefit from something you're already taking because you are deficient in something else that's required.
I agree that a good multi is a place to start --perhaps before individual vitamins/minerals.
Also, don't forget food, either as potentially part of the problem or part of the solution. If you ordinarily eat zinc rich foods but are still showing symptoms of zinc deficiency, then that's an important clue.
JL
Posted by kiwiredbeach on October 21, 2006, at 13:56:53
In reply to Re: Sorry for so many posts but one more question » kiwiredbeach, posted by Jlx on October 21, 2006, at 13:33:50
Thanks foryour answer JLk
Im glad to hear im not the only person wound up by glutamine, funny enough I did try 500 mg first and no problem,,,,, however next day 2000mg and KABOOMMMMMM It sent me half crazy I couldnt sleep, couldnt sit still, couldn't concentrate on anything.....I was a big mess. I stayed up for 36 hours and I was desperate for sleep, but I was tooo wound up.Regards kiwiredbeach
> > I have all the classic signs of zinc deficiency such as white spots on fingernails, large ridges on nails, cracked peeling skin near fingernails. I have also had hair mineral analysis which showed low zinc and low magnesium.
> >
> > However Im taking zinc suppliments and the signs are not getting better. Im constantly developing more white spots and the ridges havent gone and evem more skin is peeling back from the skin near the base of the nail.
> >
> > Any tips or ideas to improve absorbtion of zinc would be greatly appreciated
> >
> > Cheers Kiwiredbeach
> >
> > PS I took some glutamine powder today and I cant sleep at all-- any one else with similar experinces
>
> Too much glutamine makes me feel terrible. In my case, that's anything over 500 mg at a time.
>
> Taurine will probably counteract the effect of too much glutamine.
>
> You ask in a subsequent post how much zinc or magnesium to take. Besides the recommended book, I would recommend this one also by Patrick Holford: "Optimum Nutrition for the Mind"
>
> Here is a page about magnesium, that includes considerations for when you need more and also a helpful by-body-weight calculation, from a nutritionist:
>
> http://www.krispin.com/magnes.html
>
> Zinc can be problematical in that too much can suppress the immune system -- is my understanding, although short bursts of larger amounts may be helpful to the immune system. What kind of zinc are you taking? Perhaps you are not absorbing what you're taking for some reason.
>
> Supplements are best considered and taken in a holistic manner, imo, so that you are not overloading on something that in turn depletes something else, or conversely not getting benefit from something you're already taking because you are deficient in something else that's required.
>
> I agree that a good multi is a place to start --perhaps before individual vitamins/minerals.
>
> Also, don't forget food, either as potentially part of the problem or part of the solution. If you ordinarily eat zinc rich foods but are still showing symptoms of zinc deficiency, then that's an important clue.
>
> JL
Posted by willyee on October 27, 2006, at 18:46:26
In reply to Re: Sorry for so many posts but one more question, posted by kiwiredbeach on October 21, 2006, at 13:56:53
Glutamine in the body can go into great detail,but i think mostly it mediates by gaba/glutamte.Where you low it will go kinda thing.
Again as i often have,id recomend anyone into alternative nutrients,herbs,and unconventional drugs to visit google and a group in it call Smart Drugs and nutrients,the people there have studied these things for years upon years.
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