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methamphetamine use for medical purposes

Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on May 22, 2012, at 15:40:07

this is site I post most of my life to...but im not a daily methamphetamine user...for one it is TOO expensive to this habit daily, the black market is pretty black as in cheating people. But right now im nuvigil 250mg ... im having problems with absorbation and its like when I take it nothing... nothing at all... and its vary frustrating because now im going to have to find medications to but under the tongue to absorb. But when I have used methamphetamine it mainly is to get that sense of power and feeling in control of the situation. When im not on it, i feel hopeless and do nothing...but this is the only way I can feel this way, people always will say go to rehab...i've been in so many f*ck*ng rehabs and did the same thing over again, its waste of money, I hate hearing the same sh*t over again. The reason I do this is 1 to get a sense of power and feel in control, 2nd it speeds up my speech and I don't feel like a mute that doesnt talk to anyone...i will talk alot on methamphetamine. Anyway...the diffrence between m-amphetamine and plain amphetamine...methamphetamine I've noticed will cause people to do the same thing over again, repetative tasks...they will sit for hours on something like cleaning something, writing poems or washing their hands over again, tedious tasks that I hate doing when I'm sober... plain amphetamine is just activating but it does not really cause this "hyperfocus" its a little more weak...but it does give attention and motivation to get things done. Meth...usally will cause paranoia too and will make some people basically crazy for a couple hours.

But back to the point, the main reason I have used it is because of the benecial effects it has similar to stimuants, it is diffrent...than adderall, less anxiety...more hyperfocus and stronger psychogical effects and deterined to get something done. You feel like a person in power...but still I can't do this even if I go back to school for a career, meth makes my lips get vary red and I constantly have to put loads of chapstick on every hour to keep it from getting over chapped, it usally makes me lose weight fast vary fast, my facial features will change and I will lose my chunky face. But still I can't do this, i've got to just deal with the arrogant dictatior doctor I have and we'll have to figure something out....anyways until then..thank you babble for listening.

rj

 

watch it with amphetamines

Posted by iforgotmypassword on May 22, 2012, at 19:23:58

In reply to methamphetamine use for medical purposes, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on May 22, 2012, at 15:40:07

i strongly suggest you take a good antioxidant and something known to bolster mitochondria. the type of stress it causes is very much like what happens with parkinsonian neurodegeration, transporters taking too much dopamine back into the weakening cells where dopamine metabolises into more toxic oxidative chemicals like 6-hydroxydopamine roughing up the cell, esp the mitochondria which can trigger apoptosis. also excess prefrontal catecholaminergic activity is counter-productive, you lose intellectual peformance and start to go nuts, effectively. so many reasons to be careful.

 

Re: watch it with amphetamines iforgotmypassword

Posted by g_g_g_unit on May 23, 2012, at 2:04:03

In reply to watch it with amphetamines, posted by iforgotmypassword on May 22, 2012, at 19:23:58

> i strongly suggest you take a good antioxidant and something known to bolster mitochondria.

anything in particular you can recommend ( though without psychoactive or stimulating effects, e.g. ALCAR)?

 

Re: watch it with amphetamines

Posted by brklyn2311 on May 23, 2012, at 2:43:50

In reply to watch it with amphetamines, posted by iforgotmypassword on May 22, 2012, at 19:23:58

I dont believe those that truly need them have a chance of danger at the recomened safe doses they are given.Also a good doc would or should add a low dose benzo with them

 

Re: watch it with amphetamines brklyn2311

Posted by iforgotmypassword on May 23, 2012, at 5:24:01

In reply to Re: watch it with amphetamines, posted by brklyn2311 on May 23, 2012, at 2:43:50

as long as they are marketed, "safe doses" may never be studied the same way. parkinsonian damage is so severe, i don't think i'm simply being alarmist. as another related example: do drug companies, medical professionals take, and insurers take responsibility for tardive cases? the way things are, they could only be working not to.

 

Re: watch it with amphetamines g_g_g_unit

Posted by iforgotmypassword on May 23, 2012, at 5:44:30

In reply to Re: watch it with amphetamines iforgotmypassword, posted by g_g_g_unit on May 23, 2012, at 2:04:03

i don't find alcar very stimulating, but that is me, i don't find much stimulating until it's plain awful (e.g. methylphenidate). my second choice might literally be creatine. people also take coq10 and nadh, tho these kind of puzzle me. i need to do more research. b-vitamins in general might be good to take, b6 intake is supposed to have preventative effect vs parkinson's.

antioxidant-wise i take vit c, a lower dose of cheaper lipoic acid, and melatonin (fantastic antioxidant, does not become pro-oxidant apparently like others can, and people with pineal cysts are particularly prone to neurological insult leading to tardive movement problems, which feels to me like a bit of a canary, but then again it would to me.)

this is all largely a cost and convenience related scenario for me. i cannot think straight enough to buy things online, so i buy stuff when i am buying food.

caffeine and DRIs are neuroprotective, but they can be hard to tolerate and (ironically) the latter seem to cause tolerance harder to mitigate than amphetamines with memantine, tho since methylphenidate is an nri, and that's basically means dri in the prefrontal cortex, where tolerance begins as that is where glutamatergic feedback is triggered.

also, since memantine basically prevents the brain from reporting "too much dopamine" don't assume lesser amounts of amphetamine mean less neurodegenerative risk, since we are talking about the same amt of dopamine if you are responding ideally, and memantine while neuroprotective (vs glutamatergic overload, and likely alcohol-benzo withdrawl), in the way we are talking about involves concentrations in lab animals that are almost obscene.

 

Re: watch it with amphetamines brklyn2311

Posted by SLS on May 23, 2012, at 7:06:37

In reply to Re: watch it with amphetamines, posted by brklyn2311 on May 23, 2012, at 2:43:50

> I dont believe those that truly need them have a chance of danger at the recomened safe doses they are given.

What about for those who don't truly need them? Do these people have a different threshold of neurotoxicity?

Whenever I perform a literature search on the Internet regarding this issue, I invariably find descriptions of methamphetamine neurotoxicity as being fact rather than conjecture - even at low dosages.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18489716

Are these reports erroneous?


- Scott

 

Re: methamphetamine use for medical purposes rjlockhart04-08

Posted by Novelagent on May 23, 2012, at 7:54:24

In reply to methamphetamine use for medical purposes, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on May 22, 2012, at 15:40:07

RJ,

Please understand we're all here to support you, tough times and good times, but we can do nothing unless you have your best interests at heart first. It disappoints me you're speaking of meth all too casually, ready to rationalize away all of the ways it has already caused you so much hurt. You don't want to go to rehab? Are you sure? Because I'm not convinced. And why do you remotely think talking someone's ear off is an attractive trait? Hell, people do heroin just to be more quiet, more favorable-- "Just leave me alone / I'm taking the cure / So I can be quiet whenever I want" as it goes.

But talking someone's ear off? That's a quick way to lose friends fast. People like listeners, not talkers. Stop befriending superficial extroverts, and you may find you're a lot more able to accept yourself enough to not need drugs.

Look, if you really want to get a SLIGHT buzz, stimulated feeling, where your focus is up, entertain doubling the dose once of nuvigil. I'd rather see you do that than take meth. I know 600mg of Provigil makes me hyperfocused, like on too much amphetaminr, and I don't like it... i think nuvigil is half of what provigil is in dose, so 300mg of Nuvigil is 600mg of Provigil, but I'm not sure.

If you enjoy maybe a double dose, try just adding a half of an extra pill by talking to your doc first-- whatever you do, don't let your doc know you experimented with the dose. I'm only suggesting that because I think it poses a lot less of a risk than taking meth, and perhaps you need to feel deviant a tad anyhow.

Keep in mind your nuvigil dose, if it's even covered by insurance (I'd be surprise if it were), would have quantity limits. So taking more will probably be out of pocket, unless you can find a journal article on MedLINE that is a study of higher doses with clinical safety and efficacy proven. Your doc could submit that in a prior authorization claim to up the quantity limit.

But that aside, you need to learn a hard truth you don't want to learn yet: life sucks, and maturity means accepting your life isn't suppose to be fun. I also get the impression you already know all of this, and only are saying all of this with the hopes someone reminds you you're being absurd.

> this is site I post most of my life to...but im not a daily methamphetamine user...for one it is TOO expensive to this habit daily, the black market is pretty black as in cheating people. But right now im nuvigil 250mg ... im having problems with absorbation and its like when I take it nothing... nothing at all... and its vary frustrating because now im going to have to find medications to but under the tongue to absorb. But when I have used methamphetamine it mainly is to get that sense of power and feeling in control of the situation. When im not on it, i feel hopeless and do nothing...but this is the only way I can feel this way, people always will say go to rehab...i've been in so many f*ck*ng rehabs and did the same thing over again, its waste of money, I hate hearing the same sh*t over again. The reason I do this is 1 to get a sense of power and feel in control, 2nd it speeds up my speech and I don't feel like a mute that doesnt talk to anyone...i will talk alot on methamphetamine. Anyway...the diffrence between m-amphetamine and plain amphetamine...methamphetamine I've noticed will cause people to do the same thing over again, repetative tasks...they will sit for hours on something like cleaning something, writing poems or washing their hands over again, tedious tasks that I hate doing when I'm sober... plain amphetamine is just activating but it does not really cause this "hyperfocus" its a little more weak...but it does give attention and motivation to get things done. Meth...usally will cause paranoia too and will make some people basically crazy for a couple hours.
>
> But back to the point, the main reason I have used it is because of the benecial effects it has similar to stimuants, it is diffrent...than adderall, less anxiety...more hyperfocus and stronger psychogical effects and deterined to get something done. You feel like a person in power...but still I can't do this even if I go back to school for a career, meth makes my lips get vary red and I constantly have to put loads of chapstick on every hour to keep it from getting over chapped, it usally makes me lose weight fast vary fast, my facial features will change and I will lose my chunky face. But still I can't do this, i've got to just deal with the arrogant dictatior doctor I have and we'll have to figure something out....anyways until then..thank you babble for listening.
>
> rj

 

Re: methamphetamine use for medical purposes

Posted by Phillipa on May 23, 2012, at 10:45:53

In reply to Re: methamphetamine use for medical purposes rjlockhart04-08, posted by Novelagent on May 23, 2012, at 7:54:24

RJ please stop and return if not going to NA Phillipa

 

Re: methamphetamine use for medical purposes rjlockhart04-08

Posted by Phil on May 23, 2012, at 11:19:40

In reply to methamphetamine use for medical purposes, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on May 22, 2012, at 15:40:07

I know what you're going for and I understand. I did that crap years before psych meds. Luckily I got to the point pretty quickly that got off of it.
I think it's the worst drug on the planet. Three close friends died of heart attacks in their thirties. One friend, no teeth, false teeth. He often suffered psychosis on meth and is damn lucky to be alive. Not to count the physical wasting.
I think we've all heard the stories and I'm not going to tell anyone what to do because they are going to do it anyway.
I also got to the point that I didn't want to support psychotic, armed tweakers cooking meth and putting lives in jeopardy by their mere existence. I have nothing good to say about meth after losing so many people to it.
What goes up, will come down.

 

Re: watch it with amphetamines

Posted by BrainDamage on May 25, 2012, at 6:44:46

In reply to Re: watch it with amphetamines brklyn2311, posted by SLS on May 23, 2012, at 7:06:37

I know I will get in trouble for saying this
But my gut feeling is that Amphetamine & undoubtedly Meth amphetamine are Neurotoxic
Even at low doses

I'm not being puritanical
I think I would find a low dose of Dexamphetamine helpful, at least in the short term..........

I don't know how significant this is
Maybe at Therapeutic doses the benefits out-way the risks

 

Re: watch it with amphetamines iforgotmypassword

Posted by g_g_g_unit on May 25, 2012, at 8:24:59

In reply to Re: watch it with amphetamines g_g_g_unit, posted by iforgotmypassword on May 23, 2012, at 5:44:30

> i don't find alcar very stimulating, but that is me, i don't find much stimulating until it's plain awful (e.g. methylphenidate). my second choice might literally be creatine. people also take coq10 and nadh, tho these kind of puzzle me. i need to do more research. b-vitamins in general might be good to take, b6 intake is supposed to have preventative effect vs parkinson's.
>
> antioxidant-wise i take vit c, a lower dose of cheaper lipoic acid, and melatonin (fantastic antioxidant, does not become pro-oxidant apparently like others can, and people with pineal cysts are particularly prone to neurological insult leading to tardive movement problems, which feels to me like a bit of a canary, but then again it would to me.)

thanks for the suggestions. unfortunately, i have OCD/severe anxiety so have to be careful with supplements; i seem to be bizarrely sensitive to everything (drugs, supplements, etc.).

creatine caused depression and anxiety in me; alcar, like i said, was kind of stimulating. melatonin depresses me ..

basically, i just try to have a blueberry smoothie every night (though i'm currently on parnate, not any stimulants).

 

Re: methamphetamine use for medical purposes

Posted by creepy on June 7, 2012, at 7:02:39

In reply to methamphetamine use for medical purposes, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on May 22, 2012, at 15:40:07

meth is neurotoxic.. you may wind up killing off the areas of your brain which release dopamine.


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