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Posted by StillHopefull on May 20, 2010, at 13:01:07
In reply to We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 20, 2010, at 11:43:04
Posted by stargazer2 on May 20, 2010, at 13:07:49
In reply to We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 20, 2010, at 11:43:04
Good point, I agree we are too linked in to taking medicine and not accepting the variability that comes from being human. I think society has imposed its own standards for how we should behave and feel.
The only value today seems to be that where you make lots of money and this can make anyone else feel that they do not measure up, even though they have talents in other, less lucrative areas.
We have gotten so materialistic that we think happiness and a purpose in life can be bought for a price, including the search for the elusive med that will solve all of our problems.
I just think some people are born with traits that allow them to be more focused or happy or outgoing and the rest of us, have different temperments or traits that are seen as less desirable by society.
I focus on that and how different I am from "successful" people and never measure up to those standards. I try not to go there with my thinking, as I know it keeps me in a vicious circle of negative thinking, i.e. depression.
The pursuit of medication becomes like a full time job (if you have enough time,i.e. disabled or unemployed) as you have to spend an inordinate amount of time to research meds, doctors and this website and others.
I used to think that if I spent enough time looking for answers, I would eventually get "there"...now after 30 years, I'm not so sure.
When I was working a 60 hour week, my depression had no time to exist and although I'm sure it was hovering in the background, it was not affecting my ability to work. So being unemployed takes me right back there again, not a good solution to lifelong depression.
And yes, the drug companies are getting very rich off of us by coming out with "newer" and "better" meds that after all is said and done, do not make a whole hell of difference, or do they????
I would just like to know who with TRD (my dx) has really gone on to long term success on meds.
Not looking for any consensus here, just stating my opinion and thoughts today based on my experiences.
Star
Posted by Phillipa on May 20, 2010, at 13:51:51
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by stargazer2 on May 20, 2010, at 13:07:49
Hubby wants his opinion posted here so will post for him. He feels it's all about acceptance with self. Whether it be money, age, happiness to him comes from within and doing what he enjoys. Like in little tribal communities each has their role to fulfull. In his family they are incredibally artistically inclined and derive happiness from it. I feel money takes the worry out somewhat. But I've yet to find a med to let me paint a picture. My input. I like to mow the lawn and ride my bike. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on May 20, 2010, at 14:35:49
In reply to We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 20, 2010, at 11:43:04
> Others are obsessed with catecholamine neurotransmitter receptors and their agonists and antagonists.
Why leave out the indoleamines?
:-)
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk2010 on May 22, 2010, at 14:14:25
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by Phillipa on May 20, 2010, at 13:51:51
>I like to mow the lawn and ride my bike. Phillipa
Good exercise PJ x
Posted by bulldog2 on May 22, 2010, at 14:49:46
In reply to We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 20, 2010, at 11:43:04
> I will always take my lithium, but I just can't help but feel like we're all being turned into helpless infants by the pharmaceutical industry and doctors with questionable ethics.
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> Every day droves of mental health patients get enslaved by benzodiazepines, just like cigarettes.
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> Others seek to blame or credit every emotion on our medications. Others are obsessed with catecholamine neurotransmitter receptors and their agonists and antagonists. People think they know everything and it screams of hubris.
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> It's almost like people are not giving themselves permission to be themselves without consulting the PDR.
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>All societies from the beginning of time require conformity to survive. The question is wether we want the society to live on. Enough questioning can lead to rebellion.
Posted by Phillipa on May 22, 2010, at 20:16:18
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by bulldog2 on May 22, 2010, at 14:49:46
Rebellion about meds? Boy to me that would mean so many would be on meds that would be like 50/50. So are you saying society is being kept in line by meds? Just not sure what you meant. Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on May 23, 2010, at 14:12:07
In reply to We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 20, 2010, at 11:43:04
Western Industrial Military Complex--sell, sell, sell. A pill for everything. Consumers are infantilized.
And then again, some of us are alive or relatively free from pain because of medical intervention.
Of course, the metaphor 'infantilze' connotes a mother. In this case, a bad mother. Maybe think about choosing another? What others are available? Be creative, be proactive. Catholics have good mother figures available. Other cultures do, too.
Go against the cultural grain--help others, help other species, seek out good medicine--it's there.
Posted by StillHopefull on May 23, 2010, at 19:12:35
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by floatingbridge on May 23, 2010, at 14:12:07
As a child of the '60s and '70s, this thread appeals to me...
Posted by topcatclr on May 24, 2010, at 0:44:11
In reply to We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 20, 2010, at 11:43:04
I agree with some of what you said but, very different from cigarettes! Thousands of chemicals that cause all sorts of cancer emphysema etc. DEADLY. My meds at least keep me functioning and stable, probably keep me from having a heart attack!
Posted by Dan_MI on May 25, 2010, at 10:18:56
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by topcatclr on May 24, 2010, at 0:44:11
I'm just saying if you scroll up and down this page and look at the people who are having serious problems with their mood, they are invariably on a benzodiazepine drug and they are basically shuffling their other meds around to alleviate the benzo's side effects of depression and mood swings. That's easier than actually ceasing the benzo.
As for the cigarette analogy: Cigarettes feel great and relaxing when you first try them, but the more you use them the less effective they are. Eventually you need cigarettes to be normal.
I live with someone who takes klonopin every night, and I see him sweating at the end of every month. You'll never find me sweating because I took too much lithium or lamictal and don't have any left.
> I agree with some of what you said but, very different from cigarettes! Thousands of chemicals that cause all sorts of cancer emphysema etc. DEADLY. My meds at least keep me functioning and stable, probably keep me from having a heart attack!
Posted by floatingbridge on May 25, 2010, at 10:43:24
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 25, 2010, at 10:18:56
Yeah, I'm beginning to see that benzos are the pits. Your first post read to me as anti-med, and I do agree that meds are overused and often misproperly used. Personally, I do wish I had not started Xanax use. I cannot do w/o a low dose, not that the low dose keeps panic at bay.
Best regards.
Posted by Dan_MI on May 25, 2010, at 10:59:29
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized » Dan_MI, posted by floatingbridge on May 25, 2010, at 10:43:24
Communication is not my strong suit :)
> Yeah, I'm beginning to see that benzos are the pits. Your first post read to me as anti-med, and I do agree that meds are overused and often misproperly used. Personally, I do wish I had not started Xanax use. I cannot do w/o a low dose, not that the low dose keeps panic at bay.
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> Best regards.
Posted by floatingbridge on May 25, 2010, at 11:02:59
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 25, 2010, at 10:59:29
Oh, I was just thinking of you and sleep. Sometimes muscle relaxants help some sleep. Robaxin is otc. Haven't tried it.
Good luck!
Posted by sigismund on May 25, 2010, at 17:23:04
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized » Dan_MI, posted by floatingbridge on May 25, 2010, at 10:43:24
>Yeah, I'm beginning to see that benzos are the pits
I've never been so frightened (on and off) as I was when using high dose benzos. The less I take, the better I feel, once I get through it. I seem to not have enough strength to get off them.
Posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2010, at 19:32:58
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by sigismund on May 25, 2010, at 17:23:04
Low doses now also and I plow through the days. Oh for the years of utter relaxation from a simple pill. Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on May 25, 2010, at 20:58:20
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2010, at 19:32:58
Or a beer...!
Posted by topcatclr on May 25, 2010, at 21:21:52
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 25, 2010, at 10:18:56
I really don't see your point.
Posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2010, at 21:22:14
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on May 25, 2010, at 20:58:20
FB in all honesty I used to drink 4-6 nightly and .25 xanax was fine. Felt so happy and was nursing then. Took away the beer and that was it. Never been the same since. I wonder what's in beer that lifts anxiety/depression there has got to be something. It's the Magic Pill!!!!Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on May 26, 2010, at 0:10:58
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2010, at 21:22:14
Phillipa, no more drinking for you? Did it stop its magic?
I don't because it destabilizes me. Very very happy, then miserable (super-hangover). And now psych meds. :(
I loved pale ales.
Posted by morganator on May 26, 2010, at 1:36:03
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 25, 2010, at 10:18:56
I'm not on benzos. And lithium at low doses may actually be good for the brain. Why are you on here if you are not looking for help? I would think about finding another place to express your views.
Posted by morganator on May 26, 2010, at 1:39:10
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by sigismund on May 25, 2010, at 17:23:04
I do agree, benzos are way over prescribed.
Posted by Dan_MI on May 26, 2010, at 9:52:38
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by morganator on May 26, 2010, at 1:36:03
I must be a terrible communicator because I said I take lithium.
I don't think it's your job to edit this board or set forth its mission statement. Besides, other people seem to like this thread.
> I'm not on benzos. And lithium at low doses may actually be good for the brain. Why are you on here if you are not looking for help? I would think about finding another place to express your views.
Posted by Phillipa on May 26, 2010, at 19:52:32
In reply to beer » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on May 26, 2010, at 0:10:58
Unfortunately not a drink in over 15 years corona and lime was my favorite. Never a hangover. Psych meds ruined that. Phillipa
Posted by morganator on May 27, 2010, at 0:06:19
In reply to Re: We are being infantilized, posted by Dan_MI on May 26, 2010, at 9:52:38
> I must be a terrible communicator because I said I take lithium.
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> I don't think it's your job to edit this board or set forth its mission statement. Besides, other people seem to like this thread.
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> > I'm not on benzos. And lithium at low doses may actually be good for the brain. Why are you on here if you are not looking for help? I would think about finding another place to express your views.
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>Fair enough. I may have jumped the gun on that one. I seem to be doing quite a bit of that lately.
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