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Posted by manic666 on April 7, 2010, at 5:43:56
Last night i was happily playing giutar an posting to friends ,till 9pm when down stairs to whatch tv //half hour later ruth off to bed.//i stay up till 1 am no point in early to toss an turn/// go off to bed cant sleep, bad dreams sh*t an starting to get the shake,s //no big deal still no sleep .shake,s worsen to alarming rate,6/30 get up for tea an meds .//i said ruth im not good as the tea spills she replied you forgot your 2mg ativan last night//i thought a relasp was starting on my depression/// but my rigid routine had been broken an the ativan bit back with a vengence// i took 3mg this mornig an am just starting to level// i was level on 4mg a day but one slip up an you are in it////i was triggered as i thought back at the 10mg detox forced on me cold an then relented to 4mg//i carnt an dont want to live without the 4mg ativan thie is a 30 year addiction an no way can i loose the 4mg .i near on died by my own hand shedding s1x mg thats how bad the blue cobra is.the 40mg valium in one go i had to stop convultions , could not match in speed an releaf of 2mg ativan..// once in a bar i was chatting to a guy an the topic got on to meds//he was on a cocktail that big it scared the sh*t out me his weakest med he said was the 100mg valium a day//my wife now is administering the ativan at night it two scary to go that way again
Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2010, at 10:49:32
In reply to never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN, posted by manic666 on April 7, 2010, at 5:43:56
Manic I can relate to you on this my 40 years of benzos but much lower doses and switching from one to another over the years they used to work well now they don't so taking minimal dose 2.5mg valium and l.5mg xanax at night with 50mg luvox and just can't get off it and fear of meds keeps me from even thinking of trying another. Too many scarey things. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on April 7, 2010, at 13:27:02
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN » manic666, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2010, at 10:49:32
i will try anything //just stick it in front of me an bang///no i would have took 10mg if thats what it took to level me off // meds dont scare me anymore they did at the start,,but whatever stops the monster bring it on
Posted by Abby Cunningham on April 7, 2010, at 16:06:44
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN, posted by manic666 on April 7, 2010, at 13:27:02
This should serve as a warning to ANYONE who thinks that benzodiazepines could possibly be the "answer". They are the PROBLEM, folks. I speak from experience also....
30+ years of xanax first 3mg. which is equivalent to SIXTY milligrams of valium!
Ativan 1mg. is equivalent to at least 10mg. of valium. I tried to get off xanax altogether several years ago and found that switching to valium slowly, step by step and reducing xanax according to the ASHTON method, made me feel worse than I have ever felt in my life.......my psychiatrist whom I went to to get off xanax, finally saw the amount of suffering I was going through and took me off valium (horrible stuff for me)and put me back to xanax l.5mg. (one-half the dose I had been on).
And I have been on it ever since. PLEASE do not take benzos unless you are ready to accept the consequences....addiction, yes folks call it what it is. try to go off is worse than heroin withdrawal. Google xanax or heroin which is worse to withdraw or similar and you will see. benzos are the last resort and should be a very temporary thing. I beg anyone to really think before taking any benzo. They are poison in my opinion.
Posted by manic666 on April 8, 2010, at 4:05:35
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN, posted by Abby Cunningham on April 7, 2010, at 16:06:44
abby i like you //you have been through it//the heroin bit is right .you can now detox in hospital in 1 week with back up when you leave.if only we could //as i was on ten mg i was stopped the lot buy a african p doc i even gave him withdrawl sheet printed by ativan after there court case//he never looked at it.In hospital the nurses though he is notone of our regular nuts, an didnt no how to treat me//plus they didnt believe i took ten a day//they left me to convulse an sweat like a shower an shake like a tree in the wind//o he will be ok in a week when its out of him//what hey 10mg you dorks//i have told the smack heads brought me vodka in avian bottles so i could sleep as not shake out the bed.//whent home 3 times worse than went in the gp gave me back 4mg the dose im on to this day//without that i would be dead by my hand or the hospitals//the had put me on 300mg of effexor with in 2 weeks //my hair fell out an had to where sunglasses ,light killed my eyes..the 6mg i was still missing i had to detox no choise death im sure is easyer that liveing death of the ativan detox
Posted by Brain Damage on April 8, 2010, at 7:50:32
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN, posted by manic666 on April 8, 2010, at 4:05:35
Benzo's.............
In my opinion, (as someone once said about Stimulants) them is Nasty Buggers
(If you will excuse my language)
Especially the short acting ones like Alprazolam & LorazepamIts frustrating, because we really need something for anxiety, benzo's are about the only psychiatric drugs that work for acute anxiety.
I'd rather smoke Canniboid "legal highs" to deal with my anxiety, rather than take Benzo's.
I know that this is far from an ideal solution, but what else can I do..................
Posted by manic666 on April 9, 2010, at 5:21:36
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN » manic666, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2010, at 10:49:32
phillipa ,acording to abbys drug mg test you take more meds than me. 4 ativan is the same as 40mg valium //1an a half xanax is 45mg of valium plus your 2an a half brings you to 47mg an a half a day //you take 50mg of luvox the middle dose//i take 30 mg of citalopram less the the middle dose so your not on a low dos of meds when you look at it. if someone had told you you were on the eqiverlant of 47mg an a half valium ,which you are would that have shocked you
Posted by Brain Damage on April 9, 2010, at 5:30:21
In reply to Benzos-My opinion, posted by Brain Damage on April 8, 2010, at 7:50:32
Oxcarbazepine is supposed to be helpful for benzo withdrawal
There is a study somewhere showing it helped withdrawal
Posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2010, at 20:20:42
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN, posted by manic666 on April 9, 2010, at 5:21:36
No as my conversion is different as lmg of ativan equals .5 of xanax so I'm basically taking 2.5mg of ativan the valium is crumples of a pill. Also equivlencies of each ad are different. For example starting dose of prozac 20mg, luvox 50mg, paxil 20mg, effexor 37.5mg, zoloft 50mg, celexa was 25mg, lexapro 10-20mg. Each is equivalent in doseage. Just a different ad. Phillipa ps but this is a starting dose only and many docs now start at much lower doses to avoid side effects and abort a trial. Example goal for luvox up to 300mg, zoloft up to 200mg, effexor varies greating. Some take 40mg of paxil some higher. Based on what works for the patient if indeed the med is the right one.
Posted by manic666 on April 10, 2010, at 4:49:03
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN » manic666, posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2010, at 20:20:42
http://www.benzodocs.com/converter.php?act=convert phillipa you coversion on babble is a bit out/take a look at this the real convertor///an did you no the your taste an smell loss is a long tearm side effect on luvox..you really must stop gooleing wrong answers//most of them are i person threads. could be charley manson
Posted by manic666 on April 11, 2010, at 4:55:10
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN, posted by manic666 on April 10, 2010, at 4:49:03
phillipa i found the prob with you no taste or smell lovox an you havent replied //your med table is way out as the new one says, an you say nothing//get rid of the luvox,regane your taste an smell //get back om the caronna at lime//thats you sorted med wise.1 xanax is 20mg diazipam or valium
Posted by Phillipa on April 11, 2010, at 20:14:19
In reply to Re: never underestimate the addictive pull of ATIVAN, posted by manic666 on April 11, 2010, at 4:55:10
Manic did do some googling last night on conversion and you are correct. Always willing to admit my mistakes. Since I read it I cut down .5 on xanax so now only lmg and took a bit more of valium as the weakest benzo. So thanks. Where did you find loss of taste and smell with luvox. Would you send a link or post, or e-mail? Thanks Phillipa
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