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Posted by Tepiaca on April 11, 2006, at 19:46:46
In reply to Re: This has scared me........ » Tepiaca, posted by TylerJ on April 11, 2006, at 6:13:37
Today Xanax effect dissapeared . I went to 2
job interviews . I took 1 mg before the first
one at 8 AM , but it didn´t helped me . I was
scared and very unsecured . Oh no please !
Then I got another at 2 Pm , so I took another
1mg at 1Pm , but again it didn´t helped. I felt like the previous days before xanax ! .
I thougth I was finally found a good med for my
fear. But what is this??? . It was just a placebo
effect , or a tolerance or what ???Believe me I was doing things like talking by phone , chatting in msn , or walking in the streets a lot better . Very selfconfident ! like
a 70% of my capacity.
I also was sending my resumes to the best companiess , because I felt I was gonna do a good
interview and that I was goona be able to be a good worker. I even called to one company director
(he is a far friend from an uncle, not mine) . I didn´t
hesitate to call to his office to tell him I was
going to an interview , and asked him for help.
I would never has done this in the past, believe
me never ever ! . I also called uncles, exfriends
, visited some relatives , and I was fine !
I could live like those days.But now again !!!! The fear has return !!!!!!!!!
Im here alone at my house. I dont think I can´t
work. I dont wanna send more resumes , I dont wanna be called by companies . I dont wanna get
online on msn . I feel very scared . Im planing
to stay here at home since today to sunday.Ey what is wrong !! . I took Xanax same schedule as the previous days. I can´t believe this is a tolerance to the med, I have been on it nearly a week . This can´t be tolerance ! . its too early
I really don´t care If I have to augment it to 10 or 12 mg per day. Im not afraid of withdrawal !! . and why would I withdrawal if it would be working ???. Don´t tell me to be afraid
of Xanax , this benzo gave me peace
for almost a week , That is a lot for me !!
No med had done this in my last 10 years . No
benzo before. Klonopin doesnt work , neither
valium , nor ativan , nor tranxeneI am most scared of this fear to return than
taking the Xanax with his low half life even
8 or 10 times a day !. This fear is worst !!!!
I want xanax forever if it helps !! I need
to work !!!!I had stopped drinking, but now I am planning
to buy 6 beers in this moment and drink them
all ath the same time.
This things only happen to me !. Im a rare person with rare reactions to the meds . Im a freak !! . Peace never gonna come to me !.I COULD LIVE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF DEPRESSION
BUT NOT WITH FEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .
I DONT WANNA START THINKING IN SUICIDE AGAIN
EVERYTHING IS A MESS NOW !!
Posted by Phillipa on April 11, 2006, at 20:12:30
In reply to Re: This has scared me........ » Tepiaca, posted by TylerJ on April 11, 2006, at 6:13:37
Tepi you are not a freak and don't drink all the beer with all the xanax. And if you are suicicdal get help now. Call a crisis line, go to the police dept, go to a hospital preferrable in the states you live near them or one there . And do no I repeat do not be alone . Get with someone now!!!!!! And let them help you get help. I care about you. And you are so handsome if I were younger I'd be knocking your door down. Suicide is serious. Get help now!!!!!!Love phillipa
Posted by Greif on April 11, 2006, at 20:39:48
In reply to Re: This has scared me........ » TylerJ, posted by Phillipa on April 11, 2006, at 20:12:30
I agree with Phillipa. Paradoxical effect not uncommon. Go to urgent care. Get immediate help. We are all with you on this buddy. Have you called your Pdoc? Dont drink... Haqng in there. I dont know anything about your diagnosis other than fear. 1 mg of Z should calm your fear and then some. I could never go to job interview on 1mg of Z after only a week. I take an occasional 1/2 mg and it is powerful. Where do u live?
Posted by Phillipa on April 11, 2006, at 21:25:42
In reply to Re: This has scared me........, posted by Greif on April 11, 2006, at 20:39:48
Grief he lives in Mexico. That's one of the problems we don't even know if he has a doc as a lot of meds are sold over the counter in Mexico. Love Phillipa
Posted by Greif on April 11, 2006, at 22:52:53
In reply to Re: This has scared me........, posted by Greif on April 11, 2006, at 20:39:48
Mexico, easy to obtain...no wonder he was taking such large a dosage. No US doc would prescribe it that fashion. Tepiaca. You need to get medical help. I hope taht is where you are now. I have friends in Mexico. They can help you. Let us know what we can do. I can have someone from Mexico City call you. Sounds like you are having some type of psychosis (not being judgemental)rather than panic or fear. What city do you live in? Signing off tonite. God bless you and hang in there.
Posted by tepiaca on April 12, 2006, at 1:04:11
In reply to Re: This has scared me........, posted by Greif on April 11, 2006, at 22:52:53
Ey guys Im not becoming suicidal again.... I´m just
afraid I can become because this situation has affected me again a lot.
I was very very suicidal , I almost killt myself
a couple of weeks ago . But Nardil kicked in and
the thougths of suicide diminished a lot.
I can control that now , I can do it . No need
to go to ER . This is nothing compared with some
months ago . I am not that depressed , I can wake
up from bed and do things .I sounded bad because of this Xanax situation
and because I need the xanax to work so I can
have a job and do it well, and have a little
bit of peace. I thougth I was finally found the perfect combo . Another thing, benzos are not available without
prescription here neither. I need a prescription
to buy them . It´s not that easy now.
I haven´t seen a doctor here yet , again because
I need to work to pay for it . This is a very
different country. You are blessed having that
health system you have , its nothing like here.
Here everything is a messBut again , this Xanax problem is affecting me.
that is why Im getting like this. If like
if you had finally felt the freedom and then
become and slave again.Do i sound sad? . Im just very dissapointed and
desperate
I am here, thank you for your support
Posted by Declan on April 12, 2006, at 2:29:57
In reply to NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Tepiaca on April 11, 2006, at 19:46:46
Hi Tepi
I don't know Xanax but I do know benzos. I don't think you can hope for too much control of your fear from Xanax. Not so your fear goes away. Not so you feel like talking to people easily. Not as much as that. Unfortunately I don't think any drug can give you that for long.
On the other hand you are on Nardil. It helps. And Xanax will help a bit too. But if you take too much of it, or if you drink too much, you will get relief for a while, but you will end up with problems from the drugs.
Anyway, this has been my experience.
Declan
Posted by Caedmon on April 12, 2006, at 9:18:53
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS » Tepiaca, posted by Declan on April 12, 2006, at 2:29:57
Tepi,
Hola desde Utah. I wanted to reassure you that Xanax is not something to be afraid of. Xanax does have a fairly short half-life, but it is not that much shorter than other commonly used benzos such as Ativan (lorazepam). You are responding well to it so there is no reason for you to think it won't ultimately work.
A job interview is a stressful experience for everyone. Most experienced benzo patients figure out a "range" of the amount of drug that they can take. For example, I usually take 10 mg Valium (diazepam) per day. However, if I were going to a job interview, I would take more, because it's that much more anxiety-provoking. That does not mean you have developed tolerance. It simply means that the demands on your brain are higher in those situations, so you need more than normal. When it's all over, you can drop back down to the regular dosage.
That is my understanding at least. Espero haberte ayudado un poco. Un abrazo,
- C
Posted by ed_uk on April 12, 2006, at 10:16:58
In reply to NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Tepiaca on April 11, 2006, at 19:46:46
Dear Tepi
Xanax can only do so much. A job interview is anxiety-provoking for most people - for a person with social phobia, it's a nightmare. The Xanax hasn't 'pooped out'. You were very afraid because the job interview was so stressful.
Have you increased your Nardil dose yet?
Take care
Ed
Posted by TylerJ on April 12, 2006, at 10:17:44
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Caedmon on April 12, 2006, at 9:18:53
> Tepi,
>
> Hola desde Utah. I wanted to reassure you that Xanax is not something to be afraid of. Xanax does have a fairly short half-life, but it is not that much shorter than other commonly used benzos such as Ativan (lorazepam). You are responding well to it so there is no reason for you to think it won't ultimately work.
>
> A job interview is a stressful experience for everyone. Most experienced benzo patients figure out a "range" of the amount of drug that they can take. For example, I usually take 10 mg Valium (diazepam) per day. However, if I were going to a job interview, I would take more, because it's that much more anxiety-provoking. That does not mean you have developed tolerance. It simply means that the demands on your brain are higher in those situations, so you need more than normal. When it's all over, you can drop back down to the regular dosage.
>
> That is my understanding at least. Espero haberte ayudado un poco. Un abrazo,
>
> - CThis is good advice, Thank you C!
Tyler
Posted by Greif on April 12, 2006, at 22:36:24
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS » Caedmon, posted by TylerJ on April 12, 2006, at 10:17:44
I respectivly disagree with Tyler. Zanax is nothing to be afraid of if the diagnosis leads the physician to prescribe. The initial amount you are taking is way higher than normaly prescibed and not helping. These are all opionions here. Go to interntet sites. Zanax is the most adictive benzo out there. I have been using benzos for 25 years. Be responsible. Seek a qualified physican. It is not working. I believe you may be suffering from a more severe ailment than fear and anxiety. Unqualified encouragement to continue down this road is irresponsible though that is not the intent of the posters. Everyone wants to seee your condition improve. Hang in there. For those who disagree with me I am willing to provide many links to support my opinion or have a MD get on here and give an opinion. I have a Masters in Psychology but do not pretend to be med expert. I am speaking from vast personal experience. IMG of Z calms fear period. Otherwise it is something more serious.
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 13, 2006, at 7:40:11
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Greif on April 12, 2006, at 22:36:24
> I respectivly disagree with Tyler. Zanax is nothing to be afraid of if the diagnosis leads the physician to prescribe. The initial amount you are taking is way higher than normaly prescibed and not helping. These are all opionions here. Go to interntet sites. Zanax is the most adictive benzo out there. I have been using benzos for 25 years. Be responsible. Seek a qualified physican. It is not working. I believe you may be suffering from a more severe ailment than fear and anxiety. Unqualified encouragement to continue down this road is irresponsible though that is not the intent of the posters. Everyone wants to seee your condition improve. Hang in there. For those who disagree with me I am willing to provide many links to support my opinion or have a MD get on here and give an opinion. I have a Masters in Psychology but do not pretend to be med expert. I am speaking from vast personal experience. IMG of Z calms fear period. Otherwise it is something more serious.
Dear Greif,
I respect your opinion, I too have been taking benzos for over 20yrs. without any problems...I would say that more than any other drugs, benzos have helped the most. I too am College Educated, however not a Psych. major.
With all due respect, We, meaning myself, Phillipa, Ace ( who is studying to become a Medical Doctor) and Ed, just to mention a few have been helping Tepi for the last 2 mos. He lives in Mexico, He isn't working, he cannot get regular good qualified Psychiatric help at this time. Just 2 wks ago he was VERY SUICIDAL! He's just starting to get better with both Ace and Ed (both very intellegent and well educated in Psychopharmacology) giving him medication advice. Phillipa and myself are Tep's good friends and are more of the 'cheer leading' part of the team. We love Tepi and are trying to help him as much as possible.
In his acute stage of fear(Diagnosed as severe social anxiety) I don't believe he's taking too much Xanax. Some Doctors prescribe much higher doses when patients are combatting an accute episode of their given illness. Telling him to stop now would be dangerously irresponsible! He will most definitely start drinking alcohol again to deaden his pain. So what's better, Nardil and Alcohol..? Or Nardil and med. to high dose Xanax? It's one or the other. The guy doesn't have $$$, he doesn't have many choices! The Xanax should and can be tapered as he gets feeling better. Alcohol w/Nardil can cause death!Unless you have a better solution, i.e. going to Mexico to get him, bring him back to the U.S. Or send him money..I don't know, Unfortunately i don't have the money to do it, or i would.
Let's don't let this become a big blown up fight to prove who's right and who's wrong. Let's work together to help Tepi through this horrible, life threating time he is experiencing.
Regards,
Tyler
Posted by Greif on April 13, 2006, at 15:09:43
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS » Greif, posted by Crazy Horse on April 13, 2006, at 7:40:11
Crazy Horse. No offense taken. We all mean well and our motives are to help. So moving forward, Together, maybe we can help. I believe that there is a deeper issue. I offered to have my friend in Mexica City call him. He will find a Psychiatrist and I will pay for it. Medical care in Mexico is reasonably cheap. When I see posts including suicide thoughts etc I dont agree that continueing Z is the solution. It only provided a few days relief. I respect all the posters on the board and was not aware that this was a two month process. Let me know what I can do. Best to you. I posted hastily out of concern and could have worded it more subtly.
Posted by ed_uk on April 13, 2006, at 15:49:14
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Greif on April 13, 2006, at 15:09:43
Hi G
>1mg Xanax calms fear period
Not everyone responds to benzos I'm afraid. It is *not* uncommon for people to suffer anxiety which is resistant to benzodiazepines.
>I believe you may be suffering from a more severe ailment than fear and anxiety.
Anxiety disorders can be very severe and disabling. Anxiety disorders can be just as serious (or even more serious) than other psych illnesses.
>I dont agree that continueing Z is the solution. It only provided a few days relief.
Tepi was already on long-term benzodiazepine treatment. He switched from Klonopin to Xanax to find out whether Xanax offered any advantages.
Regards
Ed
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 13, 2006, at 17:45:36
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Greif on April 13, 2006, at 15:09:43
> Crazy Horse. No offense taken. We all mean well and our motives are to help. So moving forward, Together, maybe we can help. I believe that there is a deeper issue. I offered to have my friend in Mexica City call him. He will find a Psychiatrist and I will pay for it. Medical care in Mexico is reasonably cheap. When I see posts including suicide thoughts etc I dont agree that continueing Z is the solution. It only provided a few days relief. I respect all the posters on the board and was not aware that this was a two month process. Let me know what I can do. Best to you. I posted hastily out of concern and could have worded it more subtly.
Greif,
Thank you for the kind post. I totally agree with you now. Let's work together to help Tepi, he is the main concern, his life not our egos. :) We're on the same page now, and I think you have a wonderful idea, and so kind and generous for you to pay for it. Thank you so much. You can contact Phillipa to get Tepi's personal e-mail address. Best to you also.Crazy Horse/Tyler
Posted by Greif on April 13, 2006, at 18:05:21
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS » Greif, posted by ed_uk on April 13, 2006, at 15:49:14
Thanks Ed for the fill in.
I jumped in to the middle of an ongoing crises that I was not aware of. When I saw a post including suicidal thoughts I applied my personal med template to the situation. Thought I saw a lot of softball advise which turned out not to be the case. I am fairly new to this board. My normal responses are more personal sharing. I have had debilitating anxiety that Benzos have always relieved. I am also very aware that benzos are not helpful for all, in fact there are all sorts of adverse effects that are possible. After reading Tepiacas posts I suspected our friend may be suffering from somthing other than GAD My next door neighbor is a Psychiatrist and she was going to support my opinions. With the info you have given me this is of course not appropriate. I have read your posts over the past few months and they are not only insightful but provide the moral support many need. I am serious about helping him with medical assistance. What city does he live in? Warmest regards.
Posted by tepiaca on April 13, 2006, at 23:22:14
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Greif on April 13, 2006, at 18:05:21
it is sad but I am responding to all my dear
posters and friends who wants to help me in
a drunken state. I have been drinking a lot this
afternoon . I thougth xanax was gonna help me
but today I only took 0.75mg in 3 divided doses..
I wnet to a little party with family , by the
way very anoying family that there are always
making fun at me beacause Im very quiet , so
instead of getting more Xanax I went directly to
the refrigerator and I started drinking beers
as a crazy man ! . I don´t care !! . Im not
stupid , I am smarter than most of my family
just because I dont talk or because I am very kind with everybody that doesn´t mean Im stupid.
They r always making fun at me . This family issue got me worse always , they dont understand me . If they know what if to live just one day , only one Day !! like this they will freak out !!
Im so mad at some of them !!! beer relax me
and make me respond to them !! . I really dont
like to be with many of them ! . They are silly
people, that thinks because one is quiet and is
alway helping other sthey think one is stupid !!
Im so drunk !. Im still drinking a lot of beer
because I brougth some beer from the party to
my house , so here I am !! alone and drinking !!!!!!!! drinking !!!!! drinking !!!!!!
and I dont care if its bad to drink on benzos
or any other drug ! Im justreally tired of all
my life !!! . I wanna drink forever !!!!!!!!!
everything is a mess !!! . I prefer to drink
until I dieeeeee
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 0:01:18
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by tepiaca on April 13, 2006, at 23:22:14
Tepi no!!!!!!!!!!!!!Love Phillipa
Posted by Greif on April 14, 2006, at 10:50:31
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS » tepiaca, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 0:01:18
Tep, drinking is not the answer. Family gatherings are diffucult for anyone much less with the problems you are dealing with. Stay sober for a few days, keep the Z to 1/4mg or 1/2 doses and lets work this out. Do you live in a major city? Do you have friends who you can talk to and support you emotionaly? Stay off the beer and keep in communication. There is a solution for you but it will not be simple or quick.
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 14, 2006, at 11:20:12
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Greif on April 14, 2006, at 10:50:31
> Tep, drinking is not the answer. Family gatherings are diffucult for anyone much less with the problems you are dealing with. Stay sober for a few days, keep the Z to 1/4mg or 1/2 doses and lets work this out. Do you live in a major city? Do you have friends who you can talk to and support you emotionaly? Stay off the beer and keep in communication. There is a solution for you but it will not be simple or quick.
Greif,
This is exactly what i feared would happen, no xanax or too little xanax to help him, and he is back to drinking. Not to mention he is on Nardil and every time he drinks he could suffer from a tyramine induced stroke! Until you can help him find a doc and help him financially, i agree with Ed ( who is a brilliant Psychopharmacologist) he needs more xanax. After he gets things under control with a new pdoc etc. he can work on tapering the xanax. But for now, to save his life he needs to use higher doses. Many Psychiatrists use 10 or more mgs. of xanax for patients in the middle of an acute psychiatric episode as Tepi is.Sincerely,
-Crazy Horse
Posted by Caedmon on April 14, 2006, at 17:14:45
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS » Greif, posted by Crazy Horse on April 14, 2006, at 11:20:12
Tyler, I agree.
Tepi, please don't drink beer for right now. I would encourage you to take a xanax instead, every time you feel the need for a beer. Neither is a perfect solution (the perfect solution is no anxiety and no need to take drugs). But it is safer. Unlike beer, Xanax will not interact on your blood pressure with the Nardil and it will not cause anything near as much liver damage. You won't overdose on Xanax but you might from alcohol or if alcohol is combined with Xanax. Anyway that is my two cents.
Cuidate. Un abrazo,
- C
Posted by Greif on April 15, 2006, at 7:02:22
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Caedmon on April 14, 2006, at 17:14:45
Yikes, was not aware of the Nardil component. Agree with your recomendation. Tepi where are you. Does anyone know what city he lives in. If he lives in Mexico City I can have him go to a very good Psychiatrist that will bill me.
Posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2006, at 19:36:43
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by Greif on April 15, 2006, at 7:02:22
Tepi hasn't answered back yet and I even e-mailed him. Now I am worried about him. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by tepiaca on April 15, 2006, at 23:07:34
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS » Greif, posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2006, at 19:36:43
I am here again . Im drunk again . I haven´t have
energy to do things . I know I should not
drink, but I went again to a little meeting.
I hadn´t drink since thursday but well I did
not leave my home all day yesterday and today
that I did I had to drink beer.
I have got drunk a lot of times since I have
been on Nardil and nothing wrong has
happened yet . I don´t know maybe its the
kind of alcohol I drink . All the beer its from
a bottle and no tap beer.
I appreciate your concern . I live at north
of Mexico Greif, thank u for your offering about
a Doc in the city of Mexico that was nice.
I don´t wanna cause problems to anybody just
be a happy person.
In this moment my life its just psycobable, TV
and nothing else . I dont have a job yet .
No friends around . I understand , who´s gonna
be with someone like me , who doesn´´t talk and
is sad all the time , I can perfectly understand
that. I have to accept it , it is so sad but
what can I do.
I really can´t visualize me in the future. I
dont feel I could make a family , I dont feel
I could have a permanent job . I feel like an
alien. Im strange. I hope this
suffering had a jackpot at the end
Ey I really thank you all . Dont think I dont
care about you and all you tell me. I always
read evrything not only in my post but all the
posts. I just dont have energy and my Social fear
is so hard that I can´t even say written words.
I dont think Im gonna drink again in the
next week . Not going to parties at the moment.
neither leaving home.
Im gonna stay at bed at the moment
hugs
Tepi
Posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2006, at 23:39:17
In reply to Re: NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING !!!! ANSWER FAST PLS, posted by tepiaca on April 15, 2006, at 23:07:34
Tepi I've E-mailed you too. And you haven't replied. If you can read all of psychobabble you answer a friend's E-mail. I am wondering if you want our help. Do you? That is a challenge do you know what that word means. I mean either respond to some of us or get some help or there is nothing we can help you with. I think a lot of us are very worried about you. And to not reply is just not fair. As we love you. Mi Amigo.
Comprende? Tepiaca? Tyler and I have been worried so much about you all day we have babbledmails everyone and E-mailed everyone we know is in contact with you and you don't reaply. Now please listen for the last time you are justifying your drinking by saying it lets you socialize and not be afraid a sign of being an alchoholic. Do you have a diagnosis? Or are you seeing any doc at all? And where if xanax is a prescription are you getting it. Either this doctor is no good or you're not telling the whole truth to him. Are you drunk when you go to see him since you dont leave the house unless you drink. Tepi I love you and you will make a wonderful husband and father but you first have to stop drinking. I'm begging you to please stop Please? Love Phillipa you're true friend forever
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