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Posted by Deneb on May 27, 2005, at 23:43:49
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on May 27, 2005, at 22:34:01
You wrote:
>One way to view those altered states, with respect to finding solutions, is to consider them to be places you don't want to go. Like there are neighbourhoods in big cities you just don't want to enter. Recognizing the route you might take to get to one of those neighbourhoods (states of mind), you begin to see when you've begun such a journey. You can intervene. Change the route. Change where you end up.
I want to be normal again. How do I do that?
Posted by Susan47 on May 28, 2005, at 0:26:13
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » alexandra_k, posted by Deneb on May 26, 2005, at 23:57:43
Did the doctor put you on meds? Are you taking them? Are you telling him what you're thinking? Because you probably should tell him or her, your doctor, that is. Your brain chemistry seems totally out of whack, and you seem to be aware of that but also falling into the pit ...
Posted by Susan47 on May 28, 2005, at 0:36:15
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Larry Hoover, posted by Deneb on May 27, 2005, at 20:34:07
Something tells me you're really enjoying yourself, now. You like conflict, don't you? The more there is for you to feel you can fight against, the more energized you seem, focussed ... and a lot of what you're saying makes no sense at all.
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2005, at 8:09:30
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Larry Hoover, posted by Deneb on May 27, 2005, at 23:13:00
> Larry, why did you have to bring that up?
Ummm, you brought it up.
> I don't want to get blocked...I will be devastated. Why do you assume that my question is not permitted?
For reasons I stated. It wasn't a blatant violation, but Babble is not to be used to share information that might assist someone in an act of self-harm. And I will not (knowingly) contribute to the knowledge of someone making plans or contemplating such an act.
> What will I do when I get blocked?...I do not know, anything is possible. Please Larry, I don't want to get blocked.
Which is why I warned you before we crossed that delicate line, with certainty.
> Please don't make Dr. Bob think my topic is not appropriate by making assumptions.
That would be his decision.
I'm trying to protect you.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2005, at 8:19:11
In reply to Re: Larry, am I in an altered state?, posted by Deneb on May 27, 2005, at 23:43:49
> You wrote:
>
> >One way to view those altered states, with respect to finding solutions, is to consider them to be places you don't want to go. Like there are neighbourhoods in big cities you just don't want to enter. Recognizing the route you might take to get to one of those neighbourhoods (states of mind), you begin to see when you've begun such a journey. You can intervene. Change the route. Change where you end up.
>
> I want to be normal again. How do I do that?I certainly had the perception that as this conversation went on, you started to take on the characteristics of the defiant fearless and helpless state. It may seem like a contradition, to have all those three descriptors be true simultaneously, but ultimately, IMHO, it is a feeling of helplessness/fear of it that drives you.
Getting you back to feeling normal is probably a harder task than keeping you from getting to that altered state in the first place.
Medication can be used p.r.n. (as needed), to suppress the altered conciousness, but you'd have to have some insight into your transition to be able to pull that off, without using the meds inappropriately.
I think the best way is to get some counselling, some real goal-directed CBT or DBT counselling, and learn the skills needed to guide your mind where you would rather have it go. And, meds. I know you don't want that, but the doses aren't necessarily huge or anything.
Lar
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 28, 2005, at 13:59:37
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger*, posted by Susan47 on May 28, 2005, at 0:36:15
> Something tells me you're really enjoying yourself, now. You like conflict, don't you? ... and a lot of what you're saying makes no sense at all.
It can be hard if they're feeling self-destructive, but please don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2005, at 16:51:15
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Larry Hoover, posted by Deneb on May 27, 2005, at 20:34:07
> > You were on a 72-hour assessment, right?
>
> I hadn't actually been given notice of my assessment yet (form 42) that tells me that I was on a Form 1. They couldn't hold me when I wasn't on a Form 1 yet right?...The police can force me to go to the hospital but they can't force treatment on me.The issuance or completion of a Form 1 authorizes restraint. And, the law recognizes restraint to include chemical restraint. See 53 (2) of the Act.
> Ok, under a Form 1:
> I "can be detained, restrained, observed and examined in the facility for a maximum of 72 hours." Section 15(5)(b) MHA
>
> ..."The Form 1 allows a doctor to hold you in a hospital for up to 72 hours to complete a psychiatric assessment. This assessment is to determine whether you require the care and supervision that a psychiatric hospital can provide."
>
> However, the hospital can only detain me for the assessment...this means they cannot treat me against my will right?Yes, absolutely, treatment can be authorized against your will. That falls under the Health Care Consent Act. http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/96h02_e.htm
> Even if they can treat me against my will, they can only treat psychiatric problems and not medical problems...This means that I may not be able to leave because I might harm myself, but that if I take a fatal overdose and refuse treatment they cannot treat me for it correct?
Your impression of the law is quite false. In fact, not only can the doctors treat you without consent, your lack of appreciation of the gravity of failing to consent to treatment might be used as evidence for incapacity.
> Hehe...it's pretty screwy. It's like: Ok you are forced to take ADs, but you can refuse gastric lavage because you still have the right to refuse medical treatment. Am I right or wrong? Or are you simply trying to scare me by saying I will be locked up again?
I would never try to scare you. I'm trying to inform you. You say you didn't like how you were treated this first time. If you return, under similar circumstances, your prior medical history might have a bearing on how they treat you in future.
> It is so unfair...unfair, unfair, unfair...all this discrimination against the "mentally ill"...the fact is there is nothing "wrong" with me. Just cuz I want to hurt myself does not mean I'm crazy. I'm not a criminal, but they can still lock me up...it's NOT fair! They're mean! Mean mean mean! They wouldn't let me cross the yellow and black line! It's not fair, I wasn't crazy.
You can certainly argue that part in court, after the doctors do their duty to save your life, such that you might still have the opportunity to argue the point.
> > > He wouldn't have really put in restraints would he?
> >
> > Without doubt. It is their job.
>
> I hadn't been given Form 42 yet. Wouldn't they need the police to restrain me then?No. From the point of a doctor signing a Form 1, and anything that might follow, restraint is inherently included. If the hospital staff needed more muscle to restrain you, they are permitted to call the police for assistance.
> If I ever, ever get restrained, I'm scream Bloody freaking murder! I'll kick and scream and rise freaking hell...that'll show them. They can't do that to me! I'll resist and they will just have to kill me.
They will likely give you an injection of e.g. haldol. That is chemical restraint, and totally legal.
> I won't be treated that way. I'd rather die! They can't do that to me, I'm not crazy.
I'm informing you of your rights, as founded in law, in Ontario. And, how those rights are abrogated by medical necessity, as authorized by medical doctors.
Lar
Posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 18:19:21
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2005, at 16:51:15
There is no quiet in my house. I need to be alone, but people always come. My Mom is always home. My little cousins have been coming over every day. My uncle is forcing me to work at his restaurant. I haven't been able to sleep for 3 days.
There is no quiet. I need to be alone. It is too overwhelming for me. I'm so sad right now. I'm getting headaches from being stressed. I want to take my Mom's Tylenol 3's to feel better. I wish I could press pause. I can't take much stress. My cousins finally decided to leave and now I can cry upstairs. My Mom is watching Chinese tapes. She will be home all the time. I need to be alone so I can cry and rest. I'm such a selfish person, I don't even want my Mom around. I have to go for training tomorrow at my uncle's restaurant, I don't want to but I have to. I can't OD and get sick because I have to work there. I can't die because my family needs me right now. I hate this so much...there is no where to go. I hope I die tonight in my sleep...no guilt.
Sorry about being a downer again...I actually thought I was going to be able to keep it together this time. I seriously hope I will learn to get myself under control...I still do want to have an adventure and travel. I remember how excited I was. Anyways, I'm going to have to hope I don't break down or anything...ride through this. I wish for some peace.
jenny
Posted by JenStar on May 28, 2005, at 18:42:07
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger*, posted by Susan47 on May 28, 2005, at 0:36:15
Deneb,
I have to agree that you do seem to get some enjoyment from the attention, maybe from having the people here care for you and offer lots of advice? I'm not saying that's bad at all. We DO care and we want to help you! If the attention helps you, I'm glad. :) All of us need attention from time to time, and if we can help make you feel better, I'm glad to do it. I'm just concerned that our help here is not enough, and that you need professional help too, to get you thru the rough patches.It seems that sometimes you do go into a "state" (I don't really know what to call it) where your posts are first depressed and sad, then action-driven and kind of high on life but also very disregarding of the sanctity of your life. I don't know what your diagnosis is or was, but it does seem to me, from what I can glean from your posts, that you're entering that sort of state where you lose a bit of touch with reality.
It sounds like you're under stress: You're at home all day with mom & cousins, you're starting a job, you feel you can't talk honestly to your family. You mentioned some cultural issues before. I understand if you don't want to share more about that, but I'm really sorry if you can't discuss mental issues with your mom. Is there an issue where your family (you feel) might not respect you, or might not understand about mental illness? If so, I'm very very sorry.
I like you from your posts, and I want you to feel better. Please take care of yourself. If you're a minor or a youth, there are still laws that protect your mental health status. Many of us here take meds to help stabilize our moods, and many of us benefit greatly from them. I am one who benefits from meds! Please don't be afraid to try or take them. Usually they help quite a bit. These are the prescribed meds, I mean, the ones that a doctor orders. Taking "unofficial" meds esp. in high doses is dangerous and will end up hurting you.
please be nice to yourself!
JenStar
Posted by JenStar on May 28, 2005, at 18:48:04
In reply to Re: I am very stressed, posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 18:19:21
hi Deneb,
what kinds of things do you do for relaxation and fun? For example, do you ever jog, or do aerobics? Do you work on puzzles, knit, read books, etc?For me, keeping busy with a fun hobby or good book helps me keep my anxious mind off of my issues and my anxiety. If I'm busy with a task that involved mental concentration, I relax a bit and can "escape" from my ruminations.
It seems that you are prone (like so many of us!) to getting stuck in a mental trap where you focus heavily on your sadness, depression, anxiety, and urges to OD or hurt yourself.
I think meds could help, as could therapy. But if you don't have access right now, it would be beneficial (I think!) to try something new, something to get you out of the house in a safe way. The job might actually HELP - if you're busy all day in a restaurant, you won't be thinking about hurting yourself, and maybe you'll get some satisfaction from a job well done. You'll also be around people all day, and will benefit from the chatter & comeraderie that usually happens between coworkers. Don't knock the job - you said your Uncle is 'forcing' you to work there, but it could actually be very good for you!
what do you think about that? Do you think the job could help at all? Do you have any activities or hobbies that help you keep your mind occupied?
Take care!
JenStar
Posted by JenStar on May 28, 2005, at 18:52:50
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger*, posted by Deneb on May 27, 2005, at 22:19:59
Deneb,
the site forbids us (wisely) to discuss and share ways to hurt ourselves or cause damage to ourselves. I don't think your question as written was explicit enough to warrant a block, so don't fret about it, OK? Just keep in mind that this kind of question isn't appropriate for the board. We're really here to focus on feeling better, helping ourselves and each other. It's not a place to share tips on how to become sicker or cause ourselves issues.Why do you want to throw up? (We can definitely talk about WHY you want to do it!)
JenStar
Posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 19:12:46
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Deneb, posted by JenStar on May 28, 2005, at 18:52:50
> Why do you want to throw up? (We can definitely talk about WHY you want to do it!)
Sorry, I think I worded my question the wrong way. I *don't* want to throw up. I was wondering if Gravol would prevent me from throwing up like my Mom did when she was given Tylenol 3s in the hospital.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 19:34:42
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » JenStar, posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 19:12:46
I would suggest you have a good hard think...
About how much it would hurt your mother / sister to know you are playing around with this sort of sh*t
About how much it would hurt them and yourself if you turn yourself into a vegetable or something.Really think about that
Really think about it.Sometimes the only way we can get out of our own bad space is to start thinking a little more about other people.
And about how what we do / say impacts on them.
How would you feel if someone joined in this thread
Started chatting with you about ways to OD
They did it
Ended up with severe liver damage???
If you are looking for a way to get back on track then I'm there for you
But if you insist on going this way
then I'm not going to be there beside youNot for worlds
I'm not getting back into this mindset
I will not let this way of thinking get its grip on me again.I choose to think about what I can do to help people
To make their life a little better
Then when I am going through something hard
They may choose to help me outBut I can't try and help someone who is determined to stay within that frame of mind
Where other people don't matter
And where the words of people who are trying to help
Just roll off ones backIt is no fun feeling like one is talking to a brick wall
And there is a risk to me of reading these posts
That that pov will get its hold on me again.
Posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 19:43:18
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Deneb, posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 19:34:42
> But I can't try and help someone who is determined to stay within that frame of mind
> Where other people don't matter
> And where the words of people who are trying to help
> Just roll off ones backI'm not determined...I asked how I can be normal again. I don't like being this way. What people say does matter, I appreciate their advice, whether it helps me or not. I don't know how to be normal again and I'm sorry. I will bring this elsewhere if I am harming others. I'm very sorry.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 20:37:12
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » alexandra_k, posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 19:43:18
> > But I can't try and help someone who is determined to stay within that frame of mind
> > Where other people don't matter
> > And where the words of people who are trying to help
> > Just roll off ones back
>
> I'm not determined...I asked how I can be normal again. I don't like being this way.I know you don't like feeling that way.
But what about the urges?
And the ruminating on what has happened in past OD's and what might happen in future OD's?
And the messing around with taking different sorts of medications?Because thinking about that kind of stuff
And resisting ways in which you can stop thinking about that kind of stuffReally doesn't help you feel any better.
JenStar has posted some really good advice...
And Susan was trying to help you see that messing around with meds is only going to make things worse...Its more about trying to take some of that stuff on board
To really think about it
To try and not stay in that bad placeRather than reading what people have to say and going on your merry way
Wondering about what would happen if you did this or that
Posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 2:26:23
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Deneb, posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 20:37:12
I was so tired, but I still can't sleep! I haven't sleep much in 3 days...is this harmful for me? I went to bed at 11 cuz I was so tired...haven't slept a wink and now it is 3am. I decided I to take 1mg of my Mom's Ativan...I hope it works soon. I gotta get some freaking sleep! It's freaky how long I can go without sleep...I'm still coherent. I hope I don't go crazy from lack of sleep. Argh...I can sleep so much sometimes, now I can't sleep at all. It must be anxiety. I don't want to take another mg of Ativan...my Mom only has 3 doses left (mostly taken by me...my Mom is very weary of taking drugs...she threw up many times after accidentally taking 2mg of Ativan instead of 1mg.) I need to sleep!...But I can't oversleep...I have to go for training tomorrow (even though I don't get paid to do so....which kind of sucks since I'll be training several hours each day of this week I think...apparently my uncle has to PAY this guy to train him (my uncle), me and his wife). Maybe I should take 0.5mg more...I'm still not sleepy...just really freaking tired.
I'm glad I finally made an appt. with my family doctor, maybe she'll give me something for sleep...my p-doc never gave me anything for sleep. Maybe she's anti-med or something. I haven't seem my family doc in years, I wonder how it will go? Apparently she still asks my Mom about me when my Mom goes in for appts. I don't like this...she could easily break confidence and tell my Mom something I don't want her to know. She can do this without *actually* breaking confidence...I'm sure. I hate having to see her...she rambles on and on about things. I hate that she speaks Cantonese because then she can tell my Mom things in a way that makes her understand the "gravity" of my situation. I hope she doesn't or that if she does my Mom will go into denial again.
What the heck, I'll take that extra 0.5. I think it might be expired...maybe it's lost some potency. I know it's not tolerance, I don't take it often at all...it has lasted like one year.
I just know I won't be able to sleep if I just lie in bed...it just does the opposite it seems. I need to get my eyes good and tired. Maybe I'll play some minesweeper or something.
Posted by Susan47 on May 29, 2005, at 14:20:23
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger*, posted by Susan47 on May 28, 2005, at 0:36:15
seeming to be judgemental, I suppose that's a good word for it. I haven't made a lot of sense in the past, myself, so what I'm really saying is that yes, you can see it yourself, can't you? I could, even when I wasn't making sense, I had moments when I understood that but still I NEEDED to be there, in that headspace, I needed to be not making any sense to others, but to be able to express it regardless, so I'm really really Glad you're here, this is a good place for you, I believe that. Keep posting and if something upsets you you can do what I do, which is to ignore it until I'm ready to address it, if ever. Hmm. Please accept an apology if I upset you.
Posted by Susan47 on May 29, 2005, at 14:27:21
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Deneb, posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 19:34:42
So sayeth she, so sayeth I. Rest it, Susan. Thanks, Alexandra. Well said.
Posted by Susan47 on May 29, 2005, at 14:31:27
In reply to Re: I feel like doing a bad bad thing *trigger* » Deneb, posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 20:37:12
Actually, imho, her messing around with meds isn't necessarily, at this point in her thinking, going to make her worse. But it will definitely make it worse for other people, no matter what the real outcome in terms of what happens to her personally. So in actual fact, hurting herself is very selfish .. but in her mind, that's not even a real issue, not the way it is to you or I. Getting her into our way of thinking is also a selfish thing on our part ... it's endless, really. Another circle.
Posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 17:51:47
In reply to Re: I can't sleep!, posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 2:26:23
My brain feels wierd...I think it's very tired...but I can't get enough sleep. I want to sleep so badly...my head feels strange.
I forgot to take a propranolol before work today...I was nervous. I made some mistakes...I feel slow. I can't work fast enough yet. Tomorrow I will train again, this time during the lunch hour...must remember to take propranolol to not feel like I'm going out of control. I can't handle life without drugs...this is so sad.
I can't think of anything but sleep right now. I'm so tired, but I can't sleep. What is wrong with me? Am I going to start halluncinating soon if I can't get to sleep? I've read that mice will die after being sleep deprived for a long time. I think it weakens their immune system. I wonder what's the longest a person has gone without sleep?
Posted by JenStar on May 30, 2005, at 12:24:00
In reply to Re: I can't sleep!, posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 2:26:23
hi Deneb,
most doctors are reluctant to give sleep aids out, especially to people who are younger.I know when I was in my 20's and starting a new job, I also couldn't sleep for like 3 days. I'm sure I DID sleep for several hours here and there, but it sure didn't feel like it!
I practically begged my doctor for a sleep aid but she refused. She DID offer me an evaluation and an antidepressant therapy, saying that sleep aids usually mask a larger problem and can cause dependency. I was irritated at her but later, once I had calmed down, realized she was right.
Deneb, you have some serious issues with depression, anxiety, and expansive moods, as well as the urge to self-injure. Sleep aids and Xanax (or Ativan) are NOT going to help, long-term. They will only mask your issues while they get worse. You really, really need to get professional help for this!
I've also found that when I'm extremely anxious AND over-tired, over-stimulated maybe, it takes Ativan/Xanax a Looooong time to work. Don't take more, just lie down in a calm place and do deep breathing exercises.
The prescribed dose will work, just give it an hour sometimes. It takes your body a while to relax. For me, I lie there and breathe very deeply from the chest, with my hands folded under my ribcage so I can feel the air going in and out. I breath slowly, deeply, and try to think relaxing thought. Eventually I start to relax. But really, don't take extra meds. You'll just feel crappy later on, and you don't need it.
Deneb, I hope you're doing well!
JenStar
Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 19:00:47
In reply to Re: I'm so tired., posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 17:51:47
I just want to apologize if I have posted inappropriate topics. Sometimes I really don't know what is appropriate or not...maybe it's lack of social skills or something.
I want to be a normal poster like everyone else, but I don't know how. I just don't know how to be normal and I'm very sorry. I'm sorry if I am too open or something...I just don't know when to shut up. I don't know when I should lie and when I should tell the truth. I always tell the truth, maybe I should start to lie to make others feel better.
I'm starting to think that it might be more polite and civil to pretend that all is well instead of blabbing on about what is wrong and making people feel bad. I have to learn to do that...sorry I'm a slow learner. I have to learn to be less transparent about what I am thinking and feeling. I would appreciate any tips anyone can provide to help me be more like a rock. Thanks
jenny
Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 19:17:02
In reply to Re: I can't sleep! » Deneb, posted by JenStar on May 30, 2005, at 12:24:00
> Deneb, you have some serious issues with depression, anxiety, and expansive moods, as well as the urge to self-injure. Sleep aids and Xanax (or Ativan) are NOT going to help, long-term. They will only mask your issues while they get worse. You really, really need to get professional help for this!
I don't feel like spending what little money I have on seeing a therapist. I'm extremely lucky that my parents allow me to live rent free. I don't even know if therapy will help me. I would really like to do some DBT, but I don't think there is any offered in Ottawa, Ontario. It would be really nice to not want to hurt myself whenever I get upset.
> I've also found that when I'm extremely anxious AND over-tired, over-stimulated maybe, it takes Ativan/Xanax a Looooong time to work. Don't take more, just lie down in a calm place and do deep breathing exercises.I couldn't sleep even after taking 1.5mg of my Mom's Ativan...maybe it was expired? Yesterday night I took 50mg of Benedryl and an OTC back pain medicine with a muscle relaxer to try to get some sleep. I did get some sleep, but it was extemely broken...waking up every hour. Golly, it's amazing what anxiety can do! It sure is powerful stuff!
Thanks JenStar for the advice...it makes me feel better to know my lack of sleep won't kill me. :)
I guess as long as it's not chronic it is OK. :-)Deneb
Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 19:35:08
In reply to Re: I can't sleep! » JenStar, posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 19:17:02
Hi people
I think I need to get a lot of attention when it is possible to get attention. I don't seem to have the ability to know that others care about me when they are away. I don't know how to be normal. I don't think I can ever get enough attention...the more attention I get, the more I need it to survive. It's like that with my p-doc too. When I have an appt. to look forward to, I'm devastated when she cancels on me or something...but if I just don't have an appt., I'm perfectely fine. Maybe it is a good thing that people are not really responding so much to me anymore...I need to learn that just because a person doesn't respond to me when I want them to doesn't mean they don't care. I don't want to be a needy person....I have a needy friend once and I didn't like her very much at all.
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 30, 2005, at 20:38:54
In reply to Re: I can't sleep! » JenStar, posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 19:17:02
> I would really like to do some DBT, but I don't think there is any offered in Ottawa, Ontario. It would be really nice to not want to hurt myself whenever I get upset.
You've got one of the best psych hospitals in all of Ontario, and if you are referred to therapy through the hospital itself, you don't pay a penny.
But, for you to access this kind of care, you must show your doctors that you need it. You have to show them that alternate identity, the one that appears in some of your posts.
I don't for a second doubt that appropriate therapy is available to you. You must first be totally honest with your doctors. There may be some waiting lists, though.
Lar
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