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Posted by Fi on October 22, 2004, at 18:35:12
In reply to Admin site becoming way too much...., posted by Jai Narayan on October 22, 2004, at 17:40:54
As you may have seen on PBA, I'm in the process of trying to leave PBA alone. But it can be difficult,cant it?
I suggest only going there is you feel OK, and the idea of seeing it as a TV soap is rather entertaining!!
I have used the boards off and on for several years, and there have been times when there has been a difficult issue going on and on. And I think the sheer number of posts at the moment, which reflects the nature of some of the problems, is maybe unusual.
What's really nice is, unlike a previous time, PSB has remained separate from these discussions.
Stay here with us- let yourself have a break in a
board where we comfort each other (apart from other things!)All the messages at least show that several people are posting away merrily, so the issues will either be resolved in the end (probably unlikely) or people will just all get bored and stop posting about it. Whichever, none of us personally can sort it out. Its OK to leave them to it meantime- if you can resist it!
Or at least if you cant resist, only read not post?!
This is pot and kettle- I am attempting to be less involved in it too. If it was only full moon that would be easier!
Fi
Posted by alesta on October 22, 2004, at 19:40:50
In reply to Admin site becoming way too much...., posted by Jai Narayan on October 22, 2004, at 17:40:54
I can't for the life of me figure out why that board is so popular..i am so tempted now to take a peek at what going on..hope i live to tell about it..i just have to keep telling myself "i will not post..i will not post..". here i go... (YIKES!!)
amy
Posted by karaS on October 23, 2004, at 2:57:25
In reply to Re: Admin site becoming way too much.... » Jai Narayan, posted by alesta on October 22, 2004, at 19:40:50
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> I can't for the life of me figure out why that board is so popular..i am so tempted now to take a peek at what going on..hope i live to tell about it..i just have to keep telling myself "i will not post..i will not post..". here i go... (YIKES!!)
>
> amy
Amy,
I never really knew what you were talking about when you said you had to stay away from there - that nothing good ever happens there. However, after my last few stressful and depressing visits, I would have to say that I finally get it. Then I think to myself, "Amy tried to warn me... I should have listened."It's like the monster in the basement. My curiosity makes me want to go there and check it out but when I go there, the monster jumps out at me and I'm very sorry I went.
Kara
Posted by alesta on October 23, 2004, at 5:27:58
In reply to Re: Admin site becoming way too much.... » alesta, posted by karaS on October 23, 2004, at 2:57:25
Hi, Kara, :)
Good to hear from you! :-)
<My curiosity makes me want to go there and check it out but when I go there, the monster jumps out at me and I'm very sorry I went.
Exactly, lol. I like that analogy. And there are different degrees of monsters, but they are all dangerous to some degree..(Okay, i'm being a bit silly now. :-))
Perhaps we can both attempt to heed my 'warning', lol..I know it's not easy to stay away. I'm usually fine until I hear someone mention how crazy it is over there or whatever..and then of course I *have* to check it out, you know? i do try and stay away from the pesky, dreadful, putrid "Administration" board, or, at the very least, to not post anything. I personally think it should be renamed "Board of Pain" or something..hehehe.
You take it easy, girl!!
take good care,
amy :-)
Posted by verne on October 23, 2004, at 5:52:49
In reply to Admin site becoming way too much...., posted by Jai Narayan on October 22, 2004, at 17:40:54
I've been an infrequent visitor to the Babble Theme Park over the last few years. I'm usually going through a cycle of medication changes and experiments and come here to find out all I can.
Once I get my meds sorted out on the main babble board, I hang around and help others for awhile. In time I don't want to be repetitive, so I move to other boards.
Reacting badly to some medication or other, I end up drinking or doing herbal drugs and chime in on the Substance Use board. Again, I might hang around for awhile but move on when I get back on my feet.
I throw in my two cents on the alternative and faith boards. I'm not in any real therapy so I have nothing to contribute on the psych board. I'm not in any relationship so the relationship board is out. That leaves social and administrative.
I don't find cyber socializing that fulfilling so I move on to the administrative board. If the social board is the row of pews in the front where people sing, clap hands, and hug, the administrative board is the section of pews closest to the door where those bored with the service, and not sure why they are there any more, sit - and grumble. At a party they are the group off to the side, not participating in the party but talking about the party.
And, too, I like to understand the process behind anything even if I don't participate. I'll plan the picnic but not attend the picnic. There's no sense enjoying the moment if I'm never in it.
This is my sad tale.
verne
Posted by alesta on October 23, 2004, at 6:32:31
In reply to Sad Tale, posted by verne on October 23, 2004, at 5:52:49
> I've been an infrequent visitor to the Babble Theme Park over the last few years. I'm usually going through a cycle of medication changes and experiments and come here to find out all I can.
>
> Once I get my meds sorted out on the main babble board, I hang around and help others for awhile. In time I don't want to be repetitive, so I move to other boards.
>
> Reacting badly to some medication or other, I end up drinking or doing herbal drugs and chime in on the Substance Use board. Again, I might hang around for awhile but move on when I get back on my feet.
>
> I throw in my two cents on the alternative and faith boards. I'm not in any real therapy so I have nothing to contribute on the psych board. I'm not in any relationship so the relationship board is out. That leaves social and administrative.
>
> I don't find cyber socializing that fulfilling so I move on to the administrative board. If the social board is the row of pews in the front where people sing, clap hands, and hug, the administrative board is the section of pews closest to the door where those bored with the service, and not sure why they are there any more, sit - and grumble. At a party they are the group off to the side, not participating in the party but talking about the party.very interesting, verne! i guess this is where that extreme 100% introversion you mentioned before comes in when you say you're 'bored with the service', lol. but, verne, the longer you stick around social, the more interesting it gets..i was bored, too, when i first started posting..but, perhaps you would still feel this way..i won't discount your individual feelings. thanks for the explanation, though, as to why ppl hang at admin. i hope maybe you'll possibly consider coming to social in place of admin sometimes..you just might find it more rewarding over time..hope you can somehow turn this sad tale around. you've got lots of interesting ideas that people might just want to hear. but most of all, you have a very unique spirit that is enjoyable to be around. i mean that, verne. will you just show me a smile, a little one? :-)
take care,:)
amy
Posted by Slinky on October 23, 2004, at 6:49:42
In reply to Re: Admin site becoming way too much.... » Slinky, posted by verne on October 22, 2004, at 18:24:51
I've seen "Mulholland Drive" the film pulled me in ..I like confusing films....also world foreign film are good for confusion..the subtitles can ruin the flow.
I also have "The lost highway" ..I didn't really gel with that one..probably cause I didn't watch it alone.
I haven't seen the straight story but looks good..
Lynch is either a genius or a pretending one who gets away with it..he's a strange funky man..who I'd like to walk through a desert with..he'd carry the water though.
Posted by partlycloudy on October 23, 2004, at 7:01:21
In reply to Re: Admin site becoming way too much.... » verne, posted by Slinky on October 23, 2004, at 6:49:42
I remember watching "Eraserhead" for the first time when I had a fever. It actually made sense to me. When I saw ir again, I thought - "wha???" - but I liked it! I've enjoyed most of Lynch's films, the soundtracks always suck me in.
Posted by alesta on October 24, 2004, at 0:51:18
In reply to Sad Tale, posted by verne on October 23, 2004, at 5:52:49
hi verne,
just as an afterthought, i'm sure your depression is a big reason why you don't find socializing enjoyable, and why you're such an extreme introvert. you probably already know this, but i just wanted to add it just in case. i remember when i was super depressed for years in the past being totally baffled as to why people enjoyed socializing. without the ability to feel pleasure due to depression, i found no real point to it, and didn't enjoy it. so i can relate, believe me. i hope you are taking a *good* medication. and i hope you aren't treatment resistant, but have some ideas that might help if you are. if i can possibly help at all, please let me know.amy :)
Posted by verne on October 24, 2004, at 6:03:12
In reply to Re: Sad Tale » verne, posted by alesta on October 24, 2004, at 0:51:18
Amy,
I'm currently taking cymbalta (20mgs) and inderal LA (60mgs) per day. The cymbalta is the only AD that's ever done me any good without intolerable SE's. The inderal is for high blood pressure which is tied to being 30lbs overweight. I'm very sensitive to being overweight and my pulse and bp climb proportionally.
What's really great about inderal (especially the long-acting "LA" variety) is that it helps with anxiety and seems to help with cymbalta's anti-cholengeric effect.
I'm also doing better now that I haven't drank in over a month. I'm also planning to take the DBT skills course for borderline personality disorder on my own at home. My Dx is atypical depression, PTSD, and BPD, although I haven't self-injured (in an obvious way) since my early 30's.
I would welcome any suggestions or ideas you may have. I still find life unfulfilling and unenjoyable - and that's on a good day!
verne
Posted by karaS on October 24, 2004, at 17:10:06
In reply to Re: Admin site becoming way too much.... » karaS, posted by alesta on October 23, 2004, at 5:27:58
Hi, Amy, :)
> Exactly, lol. I like that analogy. And there are different degrees of monsters, but they are all dangerous to some degree..(Okay, i'm being a bit silly now. :-))
Not any sillier than my original analogy...
> Perhaps we can both attempt to heed my 'warning', lol..I know it's not easy to stay away. I'm usually fine until I hear someone mention how crazy it is over there or whatever..and then of course I *have* to check it out, you know? i do try and stay away from the pesky, dreadful, putrid "Administration" board, or, at the very least, to not post anything. I personally think it should be renamed "Board of Pain" or something..hehehe."Board of Pain" is a good one or maybe "Monster Board" but the latter might have people coming there to look for jobs!!!
> You take it easy, girl!!You too!
Kara
Posted by TexasChic on October 24, 2004, at 20:45:12
In reply to Admin site becoming way too much...., posted by Jai Narayan on October 22, 2004, at 17:40:54
I wonder... would a lawyer have the time to bicker with people on a web site? Wouldn't talking about the case so much jepordize it? Hm-m-m... makes you think.
Posted by saw on October 25, 2004, at 1:30:17
In reply to Re: Admin site becoming way too much.... » Slinky, posted by partlycloudy on October 23, 2004, at 7:01:21
Wasn't "Twin Peaks" by David Lynch? It was weird but I absolutely loved it. I don't remember the state where it was filmed except that it is truly beautiful. I have the soundtrack aswell which is sad, weird and jazzy.
Sabrina
Posted by alesta on October 25, 2004, at 2:01:16
In reply to Re: Admin site becoming way too much.... » alesta, posted by karaS on October 24, 2004, at 17:10:06
> "Board of Pain" is a good one or maybe "Monster Board" but the latter might have people coming there to look for jobs!!!yeah, not good!! lol. wouldn't they be in for a nasty surprise!
Posted by alesta on October 25, 2004, at 2:10:01
In reply to Re: Sad Tale » alesta, posted by verne on October 24, 2004, at 6:03:12
hi verne,:)
i would suggest you trade in your cymbalta for one of these: lamictal, selegiline, provigil, or parnate.
if these meds don't work, you're probably treatment-resistant. in that case, it is best to take a good antidepressant at a *very high* dosage. parnate can be taken at a very high dosage without major side effects (and hits many neurotransmitters), so i would suggest this or possibly selegiline. (lamictal has cognitive side effects at very high doses.)
amy :)
Posted by partlycloudy on October 25, 2004, at 5:28:03
In reply to David Lynch, posted by saw on October 25, 2004, at 1:30:17
Yes! I couldn't remember the name of that show. I like it too.
Posted by verne on October 25, 2004, at 8:06:08
In reply to Re: Sad Tale » verne, posted by alesta on October 25, 2004, at 2:10:01
> hi verne,:)
>
> i would suggest you trade in your cymbalta for one of these: lamictal, selegiline, provigil, or parnate.
>
> if these meds don't work, you're probably treatment-resistant. in that case, it is best to take a good antidepressant at a *very high* dosage. parnate can be taken at a very high dosage without major side effects (and hits many neurotransmitters), so i would suggest this or possibly selegiline. (lamictal has cognitive side effects at very high doses.)
>
> amy :)
>Hi Amy,
I haven't tried any of the drugs you mentioned. Do any cause weight gain? I'll keep them in mind.
I like the low dose of cymbalta that I'm on. In a month I've lost over 5lbs - everything else equal. I'm starting to go for long walks again and doing marginally better.
Not drinking for a month and ending my experiments with exotic herbs has helped too. I tried about every imaginable legal pot "substitute" this summer.
thanks,
verne
Posted by Fi on October 25, 2004, at 14:34:01
In reply to Sad Tale, posted by verne on October 23, 2004, at 5:52:49
I dont see PSB as what has been called 'happy clappy' type of church attendees! More allies coping with a range of difficulties, including a bit of a laugh and a bit of support.
I wouldnt think PBA was much fun on its own- I see it more as the area 'behind' the other boards, where people can discuss/argue about the process of the others. Certainly some grumblers and mutters, but also some of us from the 'front pews' go there sometimes. Sometimes also for a grumble!
I realise you're a bit short of Boards (would the book one be of any interest?!)
Fi
Posted by alesta on October 25, 2004, at 18:13:02
In reply to Re: Sad Tale » alesta, posted by verne on October 25, 2004, at 8:06:08
hi V :)
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> Hi Amy,
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> I haven't tried any of the drugs you mentioned. Do any cause weight gain? I'll keep them in mind.
no, they don't cause wt. gain that i'm aware of.> I like the low dose of cymbalta that I'm on. In a month I've lost over 5lbs - everything else equal. I'm starting to go for long walks again and doing marginally better.
oh, well, if you're liking the cymbalta, then by all means stay on it if you want, bud. in your last post, you didn't paint quite as pretty a picture, lol (especially in your last sentence).
>
> Not drinking for a month and ending my experiments with exotic herbs has helped too. I tried about every imaginable legal pot "substitute" this summer.
yes, good idea to stay away from those.. :)> thanks,
sure thing.:) glad you're doing okay!amy :)
Posted by alesta on October 25, 2004, at 18:21:09
In reply to Re: Sad Tale, posted by Fi on October 25, 2004, at 14:34:01
> I dont see PSB as what has been called 'happy clappy' type of church attendees! More allies coping with a range of difficulties, including a bit of a laugh and a bit of support.
true, thanks for saying that, fi. now, if y'all want to party, come on over to my house..;)
> I realise you're a bit short of Boards (would the book one be of any interest?!)hehehee! i like that, Fi. when does the book come out? :-)
amy :)
Posted by verne on October 25, 2004, at 20:14:09
In reply to Re: Sad Tale » verne, posted by alesta on October 25, 2004, at 18:13:02
Amy,
I'm doing somewhat better with cymbalta but I still find life unenjoyable and unfulfilling - even meaningless. The only reason I haven't checked out, although I'm not actively suicidal, is that I don't want to do that to my daughter. Basically, I'm just biding my time, hoping I can move to a lake cabin in a few years.
I wish acid were legal. It's the best anti-depressant I ever took. I never had a bad trip and my cheeks would hurt the next day from smiling so much. Is there an anti-depressant that is even remotely similar? I gave it up years ago mainly because it's illegal and I knew I'd never get anything done if I took it on a steady basis.
I'm always interested in new medications. I'm surprised I haven't taken any of the drugs you recommended. But there was a gap between 2001 and this summer that I didn't take any prescription drugs so I got out of touch with the medication scene.
I'll still check out the drugs you listed. Cymbalta is no miracle; in fact, I've had to reduce the dose from 60mgs to 20mgs per day which isn't even considered therapeutic.
verne
Posted by alesta on October 25, 2004, at 22:07:36
In reply to Re: Sad Tale » alesta, posted by verne on October 25, 2004, at 20:14:09
> Amy,
>
> I'm doing somewhat better with cymbalta but I still find life unenjoyable and unfulfilling - even meaningless. The only reason I haven't checked out, although I'm not actively suicidal, is that I don't want to do that to my daughter. Basically, I'm just biding my time, hoping I can move to a lake cabin in a few years.verne, i'm sorry to hear that. it'll be okay.
> I wish acid were legal. It's the best anti-depressant I ever took. I never had a bad trip and my cheeks would hurt the next day from smiling so much. Is there an anti-depressant that is even remotely similar? I gave it up years ago mainly because it's illegal and I knew I'd never get anything done if I took it on a steady basis.
>
> I'm always interested in new medications. I'm surprised I haven't taken any of the drugs you recommended. But there was a gap between 2001 and this summer that I didn't take any prescription drugs so I got out of touch with the medication scene.
>
> I'll still check out the drugs you listed. Cymbalta is no miracle; in fact, I've had to reduce the dose from 60mgs to 20mgs per day which isn't even considered therapeutic.verne, i sincerely believe you will do better on one of these other meds. it's a good thing you've already reduced to 20 mg! it will be a quicker taper. trust me? cymbalta is just another SNRI, lilly even says it's an SNRI and has minimal impact on dopamine. you need some dopamine, too. especially considering your anhedonia. i would take the plunge and make the switch. if you try lamictal, there is a risk of rash, so with that med, you'd want to start low and go slow to reduce the risk of rash. this is very important. but it's a *great* med, as are the others i mentioned. feel free to babblemail me if you'd like to discuss any of these further. hang in there, buddy. email me anytime, for anything. i have been there.
please take care of yourself.
amy :)
Posted by trucker on October 26, 2004, at 20:53:35
In reply to Sad Tale, posted by verne on October 23, 2004, at 5:52:49
there are things to talk about.. ya just have to be there right time , right place... do you ever visit open??? it is a nice thing sometimes too..
i didn't think i would return.. but since hubby is a trucker too and gone long times i get lonely for conversation and this is the easiest...
trucker///////////////////////////////////////////////////> I've been an infrequent visitor to the Babble Theme Park over the last few years. I'm usually going through a cycle of medication changes and experiments and come here to find out all I can.
>
> Once I get my meds sorted out on the main babble board, I hang around and help others for awhile. In time I don't want to be repetitive, so I move to other boards.
>
> Reacting badly to some medication or other, I end up drinking or doing herbal drugs and chime in on the Substance Use board. Again, I might hang around for awhile but move on when I get back on my feet.
>
> I throw in my two cents on the alternative and faith boards. I'm not in any real therapy so I have nothing to contribute on the psych board. I'm not in any relationship so the relationship board is out. That leaves social and administrative.
>
> I don't find cyber socializing that fulfilling so I move on to the administrative board. If the social board is the row of pews in the front where people sing, clap hands, and hug, the administrative board is the section of pews closest to the door where those bored with the service, and not sure why they are there any more, sit - and grumble. At a party they are the group off to the side, not participating in the party but talking about the party.
>
> And, too, I like to understand the process behind anything even if I don't participate. I'll plan the picnic but not attend the picnic. There's no sense enjoying the moment if I'm never in it.
>
> This is my sad tale.
>
> verne
>
>
Posted by trucker on October 26, 2004, at 21:00:49
In reply to Re: Sad Tale » verne, posted by alesta on October 24, 2004, at 0:51:18
vern
if you can find a good T the meds and the T work hand in hand and if you only use one of them it is like giving you only half a chance to help yourself... it sets YOU up to fail..you deserve better.. be kind to your self..trucker
Posted by Fi on October 27, 2004, at 14:52:50
In reply to Re: Sad Tale » Fi, posted by alesta on October 25, 2004, at 18:21:09
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