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Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
You've been going to see this psychologist, pretty regularly, twice a month for almost 3 years. Seems the progress is quite slow but it's there in some situations. He says things like- "You are one tough cookie" and "Gee, your mother sure did a number on you".
and then one day.... as you still struggle to create an "attachment"(as attachments feel so foreign and frightening, since you never developed one as an infant)...... your T. says "Well, I've taught you all I know".
would you interpret that as T. saying-- "I can't help you anymore, we are done". and so then you jsut don't go anymore??............
that's what happened..... I just quit going..... that's the ONLY view I saw-- that I must quit as we are done. But to my surprise..... after emailing T. that I wasn't his client anymore, that I'd not be at sessions anymore-- he had no idea what brought me to this decision. I never did explain to him about his comment that he's taught me all he knows...... I was too fearful to say that reason.......(I feared he'd get mad at me-- or even worse-- feel bad about himself for saying that)
what if your T. said that to you-- "I've taught you all I know"-- would you feel that was a secret way of him/her telling you that it's time for you to terminate?
flutterby-mandy
Posted by rskontos on February 12, 2009, at 16:09:18
In reply to What if.........., posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
I might, but I would ask eventually while looking at the floor, or I would chicken out and send an email or phone call after hours and leave a message asking him if that is what he meant.
All are ways to sort of protect yourself while still getting an straight answer so that you don't misinterpret. Which I do all the time apparently.
take care, I hope you get some straight answers. Don't leave with the real answers. You'll always wonder.
rsk
Posted by Dinah on February 12, 2009, at 16:45:16
In reply to What if.........., posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
Likely I would think that. But then I'd ask if that is what he meant. He'd then likely say something like "I meant that I've taught you all I already know on this matter. From here on out we'll have to explore it together."
He's big on statements like that.
Do you think you'd gotten all you could from the therapy?
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 17:06:37
In reply to Re: What if.......... » fleeting flutterby, posted by rskontos on February 12, 2009, at 16:09:18
> I might, but I would ask eventually while looking at the floor, or I would chicken out and send an email or phone call after hours and leave a message asking him if that is what he meant.<<
---- Oh you are brave! I just froze and found I couldn't do a thing.
> All are ways to sort of protect yourself while still getting an straight answer so that you don't misinterpret. Which I do all the time apparently.<<------Yea, *sigh*-- I wonder if that's what I've done.... misinterpreted....... but-- what's done is done now....... I've been gone from him for over a year!(though we still share an email here and there-- he's always been nice about letting me email him)
> take care, I hope you get some straight answers. Don't leave with the real answers. You'll always wonder.<<
>
---- Ahhh.... you are so wise! How did you know that I'm still wondering! and wondering...... and wondering.......
*sigh*... flutterby-mandy
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 17:27:14
In reply to Re: What if.......... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Dinah on February 12, 2009, at 16:45:16
> Likely I would think that. But then I'd ask if that is what he meant.<<
----- Really? You really would ask him, right then and there? ....... hmmmmmm... You're so brave too!
>> He'd then likely say something like "I meant that I've taught you all I already know on this matter. From here on out we'll have to explore it together."<<---- now that does sound like a "safe" response! (one in which I wouldn't feel any pain--wish I would have thought of that in my head-- then maybe I would have asked him in the first place)
>
> Do you think you'd gotten all you could from the therapy?<<
-----hmmmmm that is a good question. I know I struggled so much with him and feeling confused. He often said to me that me being confused was good--- but-- I don't know-- it never felt "safe" to me, ya know? So maybe with this particular therapist, I was at a point where I wouldn't get much more help(just can't stop thinking that I failed-- coz he has 30+ years expereince and yet I couldn't get what I'd hoped for out of this therapy-- ask myself-- "what did I do wrong?" :o( He's helped so many many people, why not me? what a bubble head I must be)flutterby-mandy :o(
Posted by Dinah on February 12, 2009, at 17:37:32
In reply to Re: What if.......... » Dinah, posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 17:27:14
Maybe not then and there. Maybe the next time. Or maybe I'd have called and left an angry message. But I'd have asked.
It doesn't sound like you were getting much from the therapy, so you're maybe better off? Lots of experience doesn't mean that much. He didn't have lots of experience with you. Maybe his experience wasn't with your issues. Or maybe he was a bad therapist for thirty years. Practice doesn't always make perfect.
Are you in a better situation now?
Or have I misunderstood his helpfulness?
Posted by Sharon7 on February 13, 2009, at 6:37:53
In reply to What if.........., posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
Good morning, flutterby. I'm sorry your T's comment about having 'shown you all he knows' put you in a tailspin. I have to tell you, though, it would have me, too.
I would have come to the same conclusion you did. It would have freaked me out, but I'm at the stage right now where my T could say she loved me (dream on!) and I'd be all like "WHAT DID SHE MEAN BY THAT? IS SHE SAYING SHE LOVES ME BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO GET RID OF ME?!?!? That's an extreme example, but the point being, it doesn't take hardly ANYTHING to make me think she doesn't want to see me anymore. But as far as what and how your T made this comment really did, in my opinion, leave a lot of room for interpretation.
It does sound to me, though, like his comment abut having shown you all he knows was not a termination statement. It seems clear to me that he absolutely did not mean it that way. If he did, he would have responded completely different to your announcement that you weren't coming back to therapy (in my opinion, of course.) If that was what he was trying to convey, when you announced via the email you were not his client anymore, he would have (very kindly, hopefully) took the subject of termination to the next level and elaborated on his "I've shown you all I know" comment, to further explain why he doesn't think he can be of any further help to you. If he wanted "out" he had the perfect out. He didn't take it. He does want you to keep coming would be my interpretation of that.
I most defintely think you have to talk to him about it. I have learned a lesson recently about how vitally important it is for us to be able to be open up and communication what we are thinking and feeling, and not to assume out T's know what we mean, want, or need. For me, this is going to take some practice.
If you haven't already, tell your T why you thought he was terminating you. He'll probably say that if that had been the case, after working with you for 3 years, he would have discussed it with you plainly, not just made a comment that could easily be taken the wrong way. If mine had said that, I'm sure I'd have done the same thing you did. I would not have asked for clarification right then. I would have made the same assumption you did, for whatever that's worth.
I hope you are feeling better and get this matter straightned out, soon. I honestly don't think he meant he didn't want to see you anymore. My T and I have sort of a little agreement. She asked me to please tell her if there was some reason I was not happy with my treatment either by her or my pdoc (as they work in the same office,) and not to just stop coming. She would want to know "why" in case they had failed me in anyway. I said I would, and then asked her to do the same for me. She said she would, but man, do I ever forget it A LOT! That was very early on in our relationship (which is only 1.5 yrs at this point,) so now I'm thinking I need to have us reclarify our "agreement."
I hope you are feeling better today. Let us know what happens. Have a good day. (o:
Sharon
Posted by sassyfrancesca on February 13, 2009, at 7:56:47
In reply to What if.........., posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
((Flutter)): Well, I would immediately think he felt he couldn't help me anymore.
BUT, I would ask him what he meant by that. As scary as it is, it is MORE scary for me to go crazy in my head, trying to figure out what someone else says.
When someone says something, there is more than one interpretation, so if we don't ask we won't know.
Hugs, Sassy
Posted by seldomseen on February 13, 2009, at 8:20:18
In reply to What if.........., posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
Honestly, at first I would be devastated. Then I would get angry. Then, to be honest, I probably would put his statement right back on him and want to know what he meant by that.
He definately would have to convince me to stay in therapy with him after a comment like that, but, after 3 years, I would at least give him a chance.
Seldom.
Posted by antigua3 on February 13, 2009, at 10:09:01
In reply to What if.........., posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
This is very tough to hear. I know because I've heard it before and the answer in my case was to be booted out of therapy.
But... this may not be true in your case. Did your psychologist ever contact you after you said you were quitting? I'm not clear on this. You say that he had no idea what brought you to this decision, which makes me think you had some contact with him, but you didn't bring up the reason why you were terminating.
It's terrible to leave things hanging; they eat away at me until I resolve them.
Do you have an opportunity to resolve this? Can you talk to him about this? If you can, I think you should, because as someone said, he may have meant that he'd taught you all he knew and now you would have to move on and learn together. I'd like to think that was the case.
I wouldn't think it was a "secret" way. I think he would have been much more direct, and even recommended someone else who he thought could help you better. I don't think he would have just abandoned you like that.
antigua
Posted by backseatdriver on February 13, 2009, at 11:12:18
In reply to Re: What if.......... » fleeting flutterby, posted by seldomseen on February 13, 2009, at 8:20:18
Just wanted to second what Seldom said. I'd be mighty peeved, too. I would definitely wonder if this was a way to say goodbye. I would also wonder if it were a statement of helplessness on his part.
Either way, I think at that moment he was not in control of his countertransference. This is negligent. No wonder he managed to push it out of his mind -- it is shameful to fail to control one's responses to a client. Who, after all, is paying for a service that includes not giving up on them (which is a form of abandonment).
BSD
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 13, 2009, at 12:11:12
In reply to Re: What if.......... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Dinah on February 12, 2009, at 17:37:32
> It doesn't sound like you were getting much from the therapy, so you're maybe better off? Lots of experience doesn't mean that much. He didn't have lots of experience with you.<<
------ Hey, yea! He didn't have lots of experience with ME! I like the way you word things-- it makes things look so much better on my part. thank you.
> Are you in a better situation now?
>
> Or have I misunderstood his helpfulness?<<
----He did help me with some things, I must say that. Yes, I think I'm in a little bit better place(like, I finally understood that it was my mom and family at fault for the abuse and neglect and NOT me, as a child) Just that some other things felt so so unsafe for me in regards to sessions with him.I think it's that I grapple with myself, over the possibility of being a failure in this relationship. :o( .......so, I might be searching for soemthing that shows me that it wasn't ALL my fault, that this "failure" in therapy doesn't mean I'm a loser.......
I failed at being accepted by a mother(as an infant, toddler and child), by sisters and brothers.... our dad was there but didn't have interaction with us kids--- just feels so raw and fragile to think this could be another "failed relationship" of mine.....*sigh*....... blah...... it hurts in my soul......
flutterby-mandy
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 13, 2009, at 12:40:51
In reply to Re: What if.......... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Sharon7 on February 13, 2009, at 6:37:53
> Good morning, flutterby. I'm sorry your T's comment about having 'shown you all he knows' put you in a tailspin. I have to tell you, though, it would have me, too.<<<
flutterby:---- Good morning to you too! It's nice to hear that others might have reacted similar to me-- maybe I'm not such a freak afterall. :o)
...>> I'm at the stage right now where my T could say she loved me (dream on!) and I'd be all like "WHAT DID SHE MEAN BY THAT? IS SHE SAYING SHE LOVES ME BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO GET RID OF ME?!?!? That's an extreme example, but the point being, it doesn't take hardly ANYTHING to make me think she doesn't want to see me anymore. But as far as what and how your T made this comment really did, in my opinion, leave a lot of room for interpretation.<<
flutterby:--- Yes, you understand. Sorry you are at such a similar fragile place too.
> It does sound to me, though, like his comment abut having shown you all he knows was not a termination statement. It seems clear to me that he absolutely did not mean it that way. If he did, he would have responded completely different to your announcement that you weren't coming back to therapy (in my opinion, of course.) If that was what he was trying to convey, when you announced via the email you were not his client anymore, he would have (very kindly, hopefully) took the subject of termination to the next level and elaborated on his "I've shown you all I know" comment, to further explain why he doesn't think he can be of any further help to you. If he wanted "out" he had the perfect out. He didn't take it. He does want you to keep coming would be my interpretation of that.<<<
flutterby:--- Yea, I think you have a point here. I wish I would have posted about this a year ago... *sigh*... I was just too scared that I would be shown how stupid I am ... that no one would see it the way I did...... Gee, for once it feels nice to be proven wrong. So many of you see it the way I did-- wish I would trust my feelings more.
> I most defintely think you have to talk to him about it. I have learned a lesson recently about how vitally important it is for us to be able to be open up and communication what we are thinking and feeling, and not to assume out T's know what we mean, want, or need. For me, this is going to take some practice.<<flutterby:--- Sadly, I think it's too late for me in this situation--it's been over a year and since-- I have gotten brave and am trying a new therapist. I must keep your advise in mind however with this new therapist. I will, I will.
>
> If you haven't already, tell your T why you thought he was terminating you. He'll probably say that if that had been the case, after working with you for 3 years, he would have discussed it with you plainly, not just made a comment that could easily be taken the wrong way.<<flutterby:--- hope I'm not going to confuse you all-- I do still keep in touch with former T. through email-- and to this day I think he's not understanding what brought my quitting about. I'm just too scared to tell him what the true reason was as I fear he'll say that I have cognitive issues and that he in no way meant that he wanted me to quit. ..... then I'll feel like a bad person for being so "cognitive".
>> My T and I have sort of a little agreement. She asked me to please tell her if there was some reason I was not happy with my treatment either by her or my pdoc (as they work in the same office,) and not to just stop coming. She would want to know "why" in case they had failed me in anyway.<<<flutterby:--- Gee, that sounds like such a safe thing for your T. to say at the beginning. I've never been told such a thing. that would feel nice to hear that-- then it feels like they take some responsibility too. What a nice T. you have.
> I hope you are feeling better today. Let us know what happens. Have a good day. (o:
>
> Sharon <<
Thank you Sharon. I've been feeling bad about it for over a year..... just been too fearful to speak about it. Maybe-- if I ever get brave, I will write to him and explain things-- if I ever get stronger......flutterby-mandy
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 13, 2009, at 12:50:55
In reply to Re: What if.......... » fleeting flutterby, posted by sassyfrancesca on February 13, 2009, at 7:56:47
> ((Flutter)): Well, I would immediately think he felt he couldn't help me anymore.<<<
flutterby:---- thank you too for the affirmation! Wow-- i would never have thought so many here would see this the same as me!! this is amazing and reassuring-- to trust my feelings!Wow!!
> BUT, I would ask him what he meant by that. As scary as it is, it is MORE scary for me to go crazy in my head, trying to figure out what someone else says.<<flutterby:--- see, for me, when I was little that's all I had was my own head...... I've become VERY dependent on it to keep me safe(no matter the thinking)..... now I'm finding out that sometimes it's not so good at surveying a situation.... *shrugs*......*sigh*.......
>
> When someone says something, there is more than one interpretation, so if we don't ask we won't know.
>
> Hugs, Sassy<<<
flutterby:--- thank you Sassy. :o) Very good advise, that I'm going to try hard to keep in my mind.
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 13, 2009, at 13:03:21
In reply to What if.........., posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
All these replies..... and others seeing it and feeling as I do!! I'm truly amazed.
wanted to let those know that I havn't answered yet, that I have to go now and might not be on till Sunday or Monday-- just don't want you to think I forgot ya! I could never forget all these wonderful posts! and I can't wait to answer the ones that say they would be angry-- that is a hidden emotion of mine.........
later--
thank you all!!
flutterby
Posted by raisinb on February 13, 2009, at 20:30:07
In reply to What if.........., posted by fleeting flutterby on February 12, 2009, at 16:05:41
Um---I wasn't in the sessions so I don't know the tone of what was said, which can make all the difference. But none of those sound like very nice things to say. Of course, all therapists have different styles and some are more confrontational.
As far as the "I've taught you all I know," it's probable that he was trying to get you to become more adept at finding your own answers. But it sounds like you didn't mesh with this person. I'm sorry it didn't work out, and I think if you have any lingering feelings about it, it might be productive to go back for a session or two to clarify what he meant. I'd certainly feel rejected by that comment, so I don't think you're out on a limb at all.
Posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2009, at 21:26:19
In reply to Re: What if.........., posted by raisinb on February 13, 2009, at 20:30:07
Skipped other answers for now but that is basically what happened to me with the T I was seeing she said well it's been a year and nothing has changed. Let's make it three weeks now instead of two. Hence never went back. I felt she didn't want me as couldn't fix me so to speak but when someone keeps asking the client why isn't she or he supposed to help you figure it out? So I'm a theraphy failure. Add that to my list of failures. Fleeting Is This how you feel? Love Phillipa
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 16, 2009, at 17:57:33
In reply to Re: What if.......... » fleeting flutterby, posted by seldomseen on February 13, 2009, at 8:20:18
> Honestly, at first I would be devastated. Then I would get angry. Then, to be honest, I probably would put his statement right back on him and want to know what he meant by that.
>
> He definately would have to convince me to stay in therapy with him after a comment like that, but, after 3 years, I would at least give him a chance.
>
> Seldom.
>
--------- You can put yourself in a place that I've been unable to do(my whole life)-- Getting angry and then confronting someone.(I so do wish for that)I do believe that having attachment problems and triggers from complex- PTSD(childhood traumas)-- I find that voice that is so so loud telling me that I have NO RIGHT TO GET ANGRY and I have NO RIGHT TO CONFRONT anyone as I am wrong, wrong, wrong..... that voice, I'm finding, is very difficult to side-step around. *sigh*......
just after reading your response and thinking of doing such a thing, has my stomach all in knots and feeling nauseous(sp?)...... ugh......somehow I've got it embedded in my head, how I have no right to do such things.....
oh the anxiety now.........
thank you for replying though, -- I do need to see the "healthy" way to deal with this...... no matter how much anxiety it stirs up in me.....
flutterby-mandy
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 16, 2009, at 18:13:05
In reply to Re: What if.......... » fleeting flutterby, posted by antigua3 on February 13, 2009, at 10:09:01
> This is very tough to hear. I know because I've heard it before and the answer in my case was to be booted out of therapy.<<
flutterby:---- Oh dear, I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'd be so devastated if that happened to me-- I truly don't think I'd ever go to seek therapy ever again. I'm so sorry you had this happen. :o(
> But... this may not be true in your case. Did your psychologist ever contact you after you said you were quitting? I'm not clear on this. You say that he had no idea what brought you to this decision, which makes me think you had some contact with him, but you didn't bring up the reason why you were terminating.<<<flutterby:---- Yes, we shared some emails back and forth and he didn't understand why I quit. Now after reading some of these posts-- like yours-- I feel bad for him. I s'pose I figured it was very clear why I would quit after hearing such a comment as-- "I've taught you all I know". but... maybe he truly didn't know the reason???..... hmmmmmmm....
>
> It's terrible to leave things hanging; they eat away at me until I resolve them.<<flutterby:--- Yes, I so agree.
> Do you have an opportunity to resolve this? Can you talk to him about this? If you can, I think you should, because as someone said, he may have meant that he'd taught you all he knew and now you would have to move on and learn together. I'd like to think that was the case.<<
flutterby:--- while this does sound like the thing to do-- I'm so effing fearful-- I've not been able to do such a thing. Now I fear I'll either make him mad at me or he'll feel he made a horrible mistake in saying what he did and then he'll feel bad about himself and I just can't deal with the thought of him feeling bad becasue of me...... that would be devastating...... Darn it!! think I've put myself between a rock and a hard place...... why do "relationships" have to be so uncomfortable for me?? argh......
> I wouldn't think it was a "secret" way. I think he would have been much more direct, and even recommended someone else who he thought could help you better. I don't think he would have just abandoned you like that.<<<
flutterby:---- You know, my "logic" agrees with you so much-- but the "heart" is so so confused.---i'm tired...... i must go for now, I'm sorry.....(*tears*)..... I'll try and answer the rest of the wonderful posts when I can get some energy. I so wish I could do things the right way with relationships....... it's so difficult and confusing.....
flutterby-mandy
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 17, 2009, at 14:34:58
In reply to Re: What if.........., posted by backseatdriver on February 13, 2009, at 11:12:18
> Just wanted to second what Seldom said. I'd be mighty peeved, too. I would definitely wonder if this was a way to say goodbye. I would also wonder if it were a statement of helplessness on his part.<<
flutterby:---- OK, Im back...... sorry it's taken me a bit to answer your reply.
You know something, that last sentence-- "wonder if it were a statement of helplessness on his part"...... this thought came to me also, and brought an internal upset for me. As a child I was left to figure out and deal with my own traumas and was called upon to be my mother's emotional support(of which I often felt was way over my head!) I feel an emotional upset when near others that come across as helpless-- especially those that are in a position of guidance-- like a therapist(and a parent).
> Either way, I think at that moment he was not in control of his countertransference.<<
flutterby:---- Wow! You think that could be??
>> This is negligent. No wonder he managed to push it out of his mind -- it is shameful to fail to control one's responses to a client. Who, after all, is paying for a service that includes not giving up on them (which is a form of abandonment).<<flutterby:--- thank you, you've given me some things to think about.
Maybe I've done the right thing in finding a new therapist-- she is so so NOT like the former one. I think a "confrontational approach"(that my former T. had) spiraled me into my old self-protection mode.... and thus perhaps causing my inner-self to hide and cease progressing. Growing up with an absence of nurturing-- I think a forward direction only happens when nurturing is present-- as then I don't have to be overly absorbed with self-protection.flutterby-mandy
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 17, 2009, at 14:48:02
In reply to Re: What if.........., posted by raisinb on February 13, 2009, at 20:30:07
>> Of course, all therapists have different styles and some are more confrontational.<<
flutterby:--- Yes, I see that now. I used to think therapy was therapy-- no matter who you go to-- Don't know why I thought that...*shrugs*..... now I know, it can be like comparing Antarctica to Belize-- while they might have some things in common they are so so different.
> As far as the "I've taught you all I know," it's probable that he was trying to get you to become more adept at finding your own answers.<<flutterby:---- He would ask me very difficult questions, of which I'd have no idea how to answer them.(which would raise my anxiety, as I felt I should know the answer or else he wouldn't be asking me) I think he thought I was further along than I was.
>> But it sounds like you didn't mesh with this person.<<<flutterby:--- Yea, :o( I think I didn't mesh with him, but tried and tried so hard. I really wanted for him to help me heal.
>>I'm sorry it didn't work out, and I think if you have any lingering feelings about it, it might be productive to go back for a session or two to clarify what he meant. I'd certainly feel rejected by that comment, so I don't think you're out on a limb at all.<<thank you for telling me you relate. I do feel better having come here and talked about it..... just can't believe how so many understand how I felt. it sure feels nice to be understood..... very nice.....
flutterby-mandy
Posted by fleeting flutterby on February 17, 2009, at 15:01:32
In reply to Re: What if.........., posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2009, at 21:26:19
> ... that is basically what happened to me with the T I was seeing she said well it's been a year and nothing has changed. Let's make it three weeks now instead of two. Hence never went back.<<
flutterby:--- I'm sorry that similar happened to you. :o(
>> I felt she didn't want me as couldn't fix me so to speak but when someone keeps asking the client why isn't she or he supposed to help you figure it out?<<flutterby:---- Yea, I would think they should help the client figure out the answer-- not expect the client to HAVE the answer.
>> So I'm a theraphy failure. Add that to my list of failures. Fleeting Is This how you feel? Love Phillipa<<
flutterby-- Yea, I feel similar. I'm sorry phillipa, that you are feeling as a failure. I don't think you are-- you just haven't came across the right one..... it's hard to find the right one...
I have a new therapist and it is going along much better in one year than all 3 years put together with my former T. I don't ever feel unsafe now, I don't feel stupid, she is always asking me if I understand a point that she is making. She's so nice and caring and pushes me when I need pushing. I think she literally sees inside my head! I will get a bit uncomfortable about something and she seems to instinctively know what to say to calm my anxiety-- how does she do that??!
Like some of you here do-- she gets me to see things from a different angle, one I hadn't thought of before. I like that-- there isn't always just ONE view. :o)(ever trying to get out of that "black or white" thinking......)
flutterby-mandy
Posted by Kath on February 23, 2009, at 11:10:22
In reply to Re: What if.......... » Phillipa, posted by fleeting flutterby on February 17, 2009, at 15:01:32
Dear flutterby mandy,
Yes - I would have had the same reaction as you. I would also have been flipped right into shame, for some reason.
I am really glad to hear of your wonderful new therapist. She sounds just perfect for you.
hugs, Kath
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