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Posted by Cairo on April 7, 2006, at 14:33:04
In reply to Magnesium-Completely agree, posted by Tom Twilight on April 7, 2006, at 5:49:54
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http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030329/msgs/214008.htmlSome other links and articles are:
http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html
http://www.chiro.org/nutrition/magnesium.shtml
http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/mg.html
http://www.mgwater.com/clmd.shtmlI also remember reading that magnesium interferes with Neurontin because it binds to the same receptors, though I only find reference to it inhibiting it's absorbtion only.
Good luck.
Cairo
> I imagine this post will be moved to the alternative board soon
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> Anyway I have to say that I agree with Jerry whole heartedly.
> Magnesium has a mild but significant effect on anxiety for me.
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> Supposedly theres a link between low magnesium and Benzo deppendence.......
> Also Magnesium potentiates Benzo's (I think)
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> Good stuff, although to much can cause problems, which isn't really suprising.
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> Just wish there were more good, forms/brands in the UK!
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Posted by Sobriquet Style on April 7, 2006, at 14:33:05
In reply to Re: Magnesium-Completely agree, posted by Cairo on April 7, 2006, at 7:29:16
>I also remember reading that magnesium interferes with Neurontin because it binds to the same receptors
Yes I've read this too, I can't remember the exact reference, if memory serves me right it maybe that its not wize to take magnesium within 2 hours of taking Neurontin. Something like that, and that the interaction basically makes Neurontin less effective. I could be wrong though.
I use magnesium occaionally however and sometimes feel that it actually enhances the Gabapentin effect. Strange. I think magnesium is a great mineral for its effects on mood and general health.
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Posted by Sobriquet Style on April 7, 2006, at 14:33:05
In reply to Re: Magnesium-Completely agree, posted by Sobriquet Style on April 7, 2006, at 7:45:20
>Only a few interactions between gabapentin and other drugs have been identified. Aluminium and magnesium containing antacids given at the same time may decrease the bioavailability of gabapentin and lower the blood level by 20% Gabapentin may increase the concentration of some oral contraceptives by 13%. This probably is not clinically significant.
http://www.priory.com/focus8.htm
Just Before You Take It
Do not take Gabapentin within 2 hours of taking an antacid that contains either magnesium or aluminium. If you do, it will stop Gabapentin from working as well as normal.http://medguides.medicines.org.uk/displaypage.aspx?t=medicine&i=21
A quick google seach revealed those, I read others too that appeared to say the same thing.
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Posted by Meri-Tuuli on April 7, 2006, at 14:33:05
In reply to Magnesium-Completely agree, posted by Tom Twilight on April 7, 2006, at 5:49:54
Hey Tom!!!
I hope you are doing okay? :o)
I've yet to find a decent brand of magnesium here in the UK -- what do you take? I bought some stuff from 'highernature' but well, it tasted VILE - it was made from algae or something. Although supposely that was a good thing.
What dosages do people find effective?
Meri
Posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 14:33:05
In reply to Rapid Recovery From Depression Using Magnesium, posted by jerrympls on April 7, 2006, at 3:56:05
I agree too. Magnesium has been of great benifit. It has helped even more than lithium did, and no strange akathesia etc.
Linkadge
Posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 14:33:05
In reply to Re: Rapid Recovery From Depression Using Magnesium » jerrympls, posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 10:43:54
Been there done that.
Spent ALOT on Carlson and other formulations. Didn't work well for me. I didn't tolerate it well and despite claims to the contracy, osmolic diarrhea can happen with forms that are not SUPPOSE to cause this and this is sometimes not manageable with alterations in dosing and other toubleshooting.... mine to the point of electrolyte issues which defeated the purpose of any level of wellness to be found.
I won't disregard it might be great for some but it isn't for everyone.
Posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 14:33:05
In reply to Re: Rapid Recovery From Depression Using Magnesium » linkadge, posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 11:38:44
Checked too many blocks again. Sorry
Posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 14:33:05
In reply to Sorry, general posting not directed to anyone, posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 11:40:48
Nothing is for everbody. There is compelling evidence to suggest that magnesium deficiancy may be a the heart of certain psychiatric disorders.
Magnesium deficiancy can cause anxiety, and anxiety can cause deficiancy.
It is probably wise to get some sort of nutrient profile done before making any decisions.
Linkadge
Posted by mike99 on April 7, 2006, at 17:22:53
In reply to Rapid Recovery From Depression Using Magnesium, posted by jerrympls on April 7, 2006, at 3:56:05
Magnesium is the *only* non-prescription I've found useful for ADHD, aside from fish oil...but if I had to choose between the two I'd probably go with Mag. And I love how it calms m'heart as well as brain.
It doesn't work as well as stimulants for me and I've never found it to have an antidepressant effect...but I definitely notice an increased calmness and focus. Tried many fancy brands (such as slow-mag which is magnesium chloride) and plain old Magnesium oxide (as in tums antacid) works just the same for me.
I take a 250 mg tablet in addition to the 125 in my multivitamin. Much more and my blood pressure drops too low. Anyhow, there's a lot of hype and unproven alternative/natural treatments out there...but definitely is one that is legitimate.
Posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 18:07:07
In reply to Re: Sorry, general posting not directed to anyone » Glydin, posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 14:15:13
> Nothing is for everbody.
That's always been a important point to me.
> It is probably wise to get some sort of nutrient profile done before making any decisions.
>And to discontinue when adverse events are more problematic than benefits worthwhile. PVC's and other EKG changes and funky labs are not fun.
While your beef is with the pharm industry, mine is with another industry. Mega dosing and supplements have been not good to me and it that regard, I think I was sold and untrue bill of goods as I think you feel about the industry you have a problem with. Battle scars can come from different sources.
Glydin
Posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 18:45:56
In reply to -- » linkadge, posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 18:07:07
I think that it is important not to turn your back completly on alternitive treatments when one fails (not that you are)
There are many alternitive treamtnents and while not everybody benifits from each one, that is not to say that there is not something that can be of use.
I have benifited from fish oil, magnesium, taurine, and folic acid. Some other treatments have mede me worse.
I don't always recomend megadosing either. I benifit from 50-100mg of magnesium, too much makes me more depressed.
Linkadge
Posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 18:58:02
In reply to Re: -- » Glydin, posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 18:45:56
> I think that it is important not to turn your back completly on alternitive treatments when one fails (not that you are)
~~~ I'm trying not to. My less than stellar eating habits do have me at least doing a multi vit, which I'm tolerating well. It did take a while for me to even touch anything.
I do try to keep an open mind...
Posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 19:46:15
In reply to Re: -- » linkadge, posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 18:58:02
Well hey, I need to keep an open mind too.
Linkadge
Posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 21:11:56
In reply to Re: --, posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 19:46:15
> Well hey, I need to keep an open mind too.
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> LinkadgeI think you have more of an open mind than you realize. (smile)
There's nothing wrong with questioning and you are have a sharp inquiring mind - I give you a bit of a hard time sometimes but I do like the way you want answers and go about finding answers.
Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2006, at 21:52:59
In reply to Re: -- » linkadge, posted by Glydin on April 7, 2006, at 21:11:56
Vita C ester l000mg Bid, glucosamine without the condrontine the moecule is too large, Women's all natural plant source Mvi, B complex 50mg once or twice a day good for anxiety or depression, Omega 3 two caps daily (Lar knows the one I take and agrees with the dose) Magnesuyn citrate relaxation and an assured bowel movement daily. Calcium and Magnesium and extra D prescribed by a doc as I don't drink milk hate use yougurt instead. Taurine, Gaba, Love Phillipa I was a Shaklee person for years but moved and lost contact with my group.
Posted by argort on April 7, 2006, at 22:43:56
In reply to I take the following for many many years, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2006, at 21:52:59
I asked my pdoc about magnesium supplements. He said that magnesium deficiency can cause depression, but taking magnesium is unlikely to help if you are not deficient. You can easily get a blood test to check your serum magnesium levels.
Posted by Sarah T. on April 8, 2006, at 16:01:53
In reply to Rapid Recovery From Depression Using Magnesium, posted by jerrympls on April 7, 2006, at 3:56:05
Hi Jerry,
Magnesium has been the single most important and helpful "alternative" med I have ever taken. I started taking it regularly at night about two years ago. I used to take it in a combination form with Calcium, but now I take it separately, usually as "Chelated Magnesium/Magnesium glycinate." Sometimes I'll take Magnesium citrate, but the glycinate form seems to help me relax more. I think it's important not to take too much. The pills I have are 400mg. I take either 400 or 200mg. Often, I'll take 200 mg until I go through my monthly "premenstrual nuclear meltdown." That's when I have to increase it to 400mg. Also, I've found it's best not to take it too late at night (or too late in the wee morning hours). If I take it past 2:00 am, it makes me much too sluggish later that day.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I have an entire kitchen cupboard full of alternative supplements that I've tried and abandoned. Except for magnesium, vitamin C and my Centrum multivitamins, all the other supplements have been a waste of money. Magnesium is the ONLY one that has really lived up to the claims made for it, but I do think you have to buy the right kind (such as glycinate, citrate, taurate, etc.), find the best dosage for you (and that might vary depending on what is going on in your life), and you have to experiment with finding the time of night or day that's best for you to take it.
Posted by jerrympls on April 9, 2006, at 23:54:56
In reply to mag is legit, posted by mike99 on April 7, 2006, at 17:22:53
> Magnesium is the *only* non-prescription I've found useful for ADHD, aside from fish oil...but if I had to choose between the two I'd probably go with Mag. And I love how it calms m'heart as well as brain.
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> It doesn't work as well as stimulants for me and I've never found it to have an antidepressant effect...but I definitely notice an increased calmness and focus. Tried many fancy brands (such as slow-mag which is magnesium chloride) and plain old Magnesium oxide (as in tums antacid) works just the same for me.
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> I take a 250 mg tablet in addition to the 125 in my multivitamin. Much more and my blood pressure drops too low. Anyhow, there's a lot of hype and unproven alternative/natural treatments out there...but definitely is one that is legitimate.Apparently- certain types of magnesisum work the best - including:
Magnesisum Taurate
Magnesium GlycinateTaken from the article at the link below
http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#taurine"I have major PRECAUTIONS at this link concerning potentially harmful magnesium compounds and at this link concerning ineffective compounds of magnesium for treating depression. For brevity and simplicity: (a) magnesium oxide and magnesium hydroxide are ineffective and (b) magnesium glutamate and magnesium aspartate are potentially harmful."
I've also learned that taking calcium w/magnesium balances thing out when taken at a 2:1 ratio (calcium to mag.) - this also diminishes any diarrhea associated with mag. supplementation.
Posted by jerrympls on April 9, 2006, at 23:56:06
In reply to Re: -- » Glydin, posted by linkadge on April 7, 2006, at 18:45:56
> I think that it is important not to turn your back completly on alternitive treatments when one fails (not that you are)
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> There are many alternitive treamtnents and while not everybody benifits from each one, that is not to say that there is not something that can be of use.
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> I have benifited from fish oil, magnesium, taurine, and folic acid. Some other treatments have mede me worse.
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> I don't always recomend megadosing either. I benifit from 50-100mg of magnesium, too much makes me more depressed.
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> Linkadge
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>Link-
So too much mag. makes you depressed?? Interesting.
Jerry
Posted by yesac on April 11, 2006, at 13:17:16
In reply to Rapid Recovery From Depression Using Magnesium, posted by jerrympls on April 7, 2006, at 3:56:05
I've been reading up on magnesium, and it seems like it's at least worth a try and could possibly help with my various mental health symptoms... although I am a bit cautious and wary of what I've found on the Internet, especially George Eby's site and accompanying article. It just sounds like it's a little too good to be true.
But anyways, I'm still thinking of giving it a try, but it looks like it's hard to find magnesium supplements that contain anything but magnesium oxide. Magnesium citrate solution is a laxative-- but I saw that it contains 290mgs of magnesium per ounce, so it seems like it could possibly be a good source of magnesium. Also, it's very cheap. Has anyone used this? Where have people been able to find good magnesium supplements?
Posted by jerrympls on April 11, 2006, at 13:27:56
In reply to Has anyone used magnesium citrate solution?, posted by yesac on April 11, 2006, at 13:17:16
Try
They've got Magnesium Taurate and that's what I take. Another good form is mag. glycinate.
Jerry
Posted by yesac on April 11, 2006, at 14:36:32
In reply to Has anyone used magnesium citrate solution?, posted by yesac on April 11, 2006, at 13:17:16
> But anyways, I'm still thinking of giving it a try, but it looks like it's hard to find magnesium supplements that contain anything but magnesium oxide.
George Eby says that magnesium oxide and hydroxide are ineffective because they are not absorbed by the body. But one of his links is to a website by Steve Harris M.D.-- who says that MgO is fine for most people.I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this-- is magnesium oxide okay or is it better to use a different form? Thanks.
Posted by jerrympls on April 11, 2006, at 16:13:19
In reply to Re: another question, posted by yesac on April 11, 2006, at 14:36:32
> > But anyways, I'm still thinking of giving it a try, but it looks like it's hard to find magnesium supplements that contain anything but magnesium oxide.
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> George Eby says that magnesium oxide and hydroxide are ineffective because they are not absorbed by the body. But one of his links is to a website by Steve Harris M.D.-- who says that MgO is fine for most people.
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> I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this-- is magnesium oxide okay or is it better to use a different form? Thanks.Actually, I've been taking mag. oxide for about a week now and have noticed improvements.
Jerry
Posted by linkadge on April 12, 2006, at 11:21:54
In reply to Re: -- » linkadge, posted by jerrympls on April 9, 2006, at 23:56:06
Yes, too little causes problems, but too much can make me a little depressed.
I certainly benifit from supplementation, but anything over about 250-300mg can make me a little down.
Linkadge
Posted by blueberry on April 12, 2006, at 18:51:58
In reply to Rapid Recovery From Depression Using Magnesium, posted by jerrympls on April 7, 2006, at 3:56:05
I can send myself into a very very seriously deep dark depession by taking about 200mg to 300mg of magnesium for 3 days.
It was a tease though, because the first day actually felt decent. I tried magnesium on at least 4 different trials, and each time ended so badly.
Tried glycinate and then citrate. Anything, even vitamin supplements, with magnesium in them are bad for me.
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