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Posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 0:27:56
Could it be possible that bioidentical hormones could be of help in depression, anxiety, chronic fatique? I'm interested in hearing your views as have been on them for almost two months and need to decide after my blood testing this week if I should continue. Don't hold back. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 0:34:39
In reply to Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi, posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 0:27:56
I picked a site that is new to me not my doctor. Phillipa
Posted by Ladyraven on June 13, 2009, at 6:15:23
In reply to Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi, posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 0:27:56
> Don't hold back. Phillipa
>Alright. My OPINION is hormone supplements MAY be of some help with depression and anxiety but I do not believe them to be the missing link. I do not think bio ids are any better nor worse than what was already available and many, if you are getting the real deal, are synthesized in much the same processes. In general, it's animal versus plant sources so I find the bio id stuff a bit confusing as I also find the alternative testing of hormones confusing and somewhat misleading according to my knowledge.
The question of whether their use is effective and the risk versus benefit profile is worth it is going to be individual. The big question would be:
Do you feel a big improvement in your symptoms?
Has the use of supp. hormones dramatically changed the thoughts and behaviors that you wished to change?
Posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 12:21:39
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi » Phillipa, posted by Ladyraven on June 13, 2009, at 6:15:23
Good answers. Difference is the non bios are prempro or premarin horse urine . Bios are natural plant sources. Some are FDA approved such as Climara, Vivelle dot, Evamist for estrogen, Promethium for progesterone, and androgel for testosterone. They are expensive. Creams less so. But the one size fits all as in above doesn't fit as creams can be compounded for individual doses. So far no improvement hence the thread. Thanks for your feedback. Just what I'm looking for. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on June 13, 2009, at 14:11:14
In reply to Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi, posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 0:27:56
> Could it be possible that bioidentical hormones could be of help in depression, anxiety, chronic fatique? I'm interested in hearing your views as have been on them for almost two months and need to decide after my blood testing this week if I should continue. Don't hold back. Phillipa
>
> http://www.suburbanmedicalcenters.com/products.php?hormonesThey may be of help to some people who became depressed or anxious because of hormonal deficiency. You need to remember some people are making big money by touting that they are a cure all. I tried them and found no improvement in my situation and stopped them.
I personally do not believe that most anxiety and depression is caused by hormonal defiency. I belong to a mens forum and many on hrt are also on antidepressant treatment. We all hope that there is a silver bullet but right now meds are you best bet even though they are very flawed.
Posted by bulldog2 on June 13, 2009, at 14:11:27
In reply to Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi, posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 0:27:56
> Could it be possible that bioidentical hormones could be of help in depression, anxiety, chronic fatique? I'm interested in hearing your views as have been on them for almost two months and need to decide after my blood testing this week if I should continue. Don't hold back. Phillipa
>
> http://www.suburbanmedicalcenters.com/products.php?hormonesThey may be of help to some people who became depressed or anxious because of hormonal deficiency. You need to remember some people are making big money by touting that they are a cure all. I tried them and found no improvement in my situation and stopped them.
I personally do not believe that most anxiety and depression is caused by hormonal defiency. I belong to a mens forum and many on hrt are also on antidepressant treatment. We all hope that there is a silver bullet but right now meds are you best bet even though they are very flawed.
Posted by Ladyraven on June 13, 2009, at 16:40:35
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi » Ladyraven, posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 12:21:39
> Thanks for your feedback. Just what I'm looking for. Phillipa
You're welcome. I disagree with your stance but you are entitled to the beliefs of your choosing. Just because I don't see things as you do does not mean that I am not sorry you aren't seeing improvement. I have embarked on MANY things that were presented with many proported benefits, great theories of actions and wonderful promises of being THE answer. I think alot of us can related to that. Results are what matters. If someone isn't getting the results wanted, all the information, theories and promises aren't really worth much are they?
Posted by whitmore on June 13, 2009, at 18:23:02
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi » Phillipa, posted by Ladyraven on June 13, 2009, at 16:40:35
I'm 58, Philippa, and was drawn to the bioidenticals as being the answer when things unraveled at menopause at 53. I'm disillusioned. Most of the alternative docs. that I saw, I'm now convinced were in it just for the $$. I was put on transdermal testosterone at one point, followed directions faithfully and ended up with a blood level of 400 where a 'normal' level would be about 40 for a woman. So much for the experts. I now take just Premarin(my uterus was a casualty of all this). I liken the whole hormone mess to modern psychiatry. No-one knows how anything works and it's all just trial and error. So if the hormones make you feel somewhat better, and you have no medical reason for them to be contraindicated, then continue to take them. But for me they were not the panacea I had hoped for --and this realization cost me hundreds of $$.
Posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 20:55:06
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depr, posted by whitmore on June 13, 2009, at 18:23:02
Thanks guys you're gems as I've been on so many sites. I during menopause couldn't handle the premarin which every contained both hormones so did the one size fits all compounded creams and no side effects. hence will see what these blood tests show and decide from there. Sometimes think they are making me more anxious but sleeping with less benzos. I wish there was a way to contact Robin McGraw Dr. Phil's wife. I seriously do. But my thougths are since my doc is ob-gyn for over 30 years that the malpractice became too high so had to do something else. He jumped on the controversial hormone train. Love Phillipa
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 14, 2009, at 11:55:21
In reply to Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi, posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2009, at 0:27:56
> Could it be possible that bioidentical hormones could be of help in depression, anxiety, chronic fatique? I'm interested in hearing your views as have been on them for almost two months and need to decide after my blood testing this week if I should continue. Don't hold back. Phillipa
>
> http://www.suburbanmedicalcenters.com/products.php?hormones
Hormones are the missing link, if one has a hormone imbalance. I think hormonal imbalances are underdiagnosed. Espcially hypothyroidism.
Posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2009, at 20:20:17
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 14, 2009, at 11:55:21
Oh how right you are on the thyroid. It effects your whole body and mind. Fine til mine went. All the hormones are intertwined. So difficult to understand. Phillipa
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 15, 2009, at 10:06:38
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi » Alexanderfromdenmark, posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2009, at 20:20:17
> Oh how right you are on the thyroid. It effects your whole body and mind. Fine til mine went. All the hormones are intertwined. So difficult to understand. Phillipa
"Thyroxine should be tried in clinically hypothyroid but biochemically euthyroid patients (Skinner GRB, Thomas R, Taylor M, Sellarajah M, Bolt S, Krett S, et al. BMJ 1997; 314: 1764)
We wish to question present medical practice, which considers abnormal serum concentrations of free thyroxine and thyroid stimulating hormonethose outside the 95% reference intervalto indicate hypothyroidism but incorrectly considers "normal" free thyroxine and thyroid stimulating hormone concentrations to negate this diagnosis. It is unusual for doctors to start thyroxine replacement in clinically hypothyroid but biochemically euthyroid patients.
The free thyroxine and thyroid stimulating hormone concentrations in 80 patients considered to be hypothyroid on established criteria indicated that only five patients had free thyroxine concentrations (just) below the reference interval of 10-19 pmol/l (values of 9.4, 9.8, 9.8, 9.9, and 9.9 pmol/l) and only four patients had thyroid stimulating hormone values above the reference interval of 0.5-5.5 mU/l (values of 5.6, 8.4, 11.8, and 30.1 mU/l); moreover in these 80 patients the mean (SE) concentration of free thyroxine was 12.9 (0.2) pmol/l and the mean concentration of thyroid stimulating hormone was 2.2 (0.4) mU/l; both of these values lie well within the normal reference intervals. While we accept that there will be subjective variation in the evaluation of clinical diagnostic criteria and that the long term response to thyroid replacement is a prerequisite of our proposition, exclusion of hypothyroidism on the grounds of hormone concentrations measured in the laboratory seems wrong.
We contend that an incremental three month trial of thyroxine treatment in clinically hypothyroid but biochemically euthyroid patients is a safe and reasonable strategy. The dangers of osteoporosis and cardiac catastropheparticularly during a three month trialare sometimes quoted, but these worries are unfounded and condemn many patients to years of hypothyroidism with its pathological complications and poor quality of life. We urge that the question of clinical hypothyroidism in biochemically euthyroid patients should be subjected to a formal clinical trial."Goes to show that when your go to your doc and it says that your thyroid is normal it dosn't mean squat if he says that because of blood tests alone.
Posted by Phillipa on June 15, 2009, at 22:06:34
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi » Alexanderfromdenmark, posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2009, at 20:20:17
Mine's autoimmune Hasimotos have the abnormal TPO's. Not much can do about that runs in the family. Multiple autoimmune diseases including diabetes many family members with hypothyroidism autoimmune, Mother had psoriasis covered whole body, Lots of anxiety also guess that's a faulty gene. Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2009, at 16:38:51
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depressi » Phillipa, posted by Phillipa on June 15, 2009, at 22:06:34
Phillipa, didn't realize diabetes was autoimmune. (I have hashimoto's as well.) (No, I don't have diabetes-mum did.) Have a friend starting bioidentical hormones and will ask her how she does...
> Mine's autoimmune Hasimotos have the abnormal TPO's. Not much can do about that runs in the family. Multiple autoimmune diseases including diabetes many family members with hypothyroidism autoimmune, Mother had psoriasis covered whole body, Lots of anxiety also guess that's a faulty gene. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2009, at 21:12:24
In reply to Re: Is It Possible Bioidenticals Missing Link Depr, posted by floatingbridge on June 16, 2009, at 16:38:51
Can you believe 88 and didn't know scizophrenia was suspected???? So many. PLease let me know how she does. Hope this link from wiki helps. Phillipa
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