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Posted by Iansf on February 8, 2007, at 23:12:03
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine, posted by liliths on February 8, 2007, at 14:32:10
> I swear, there ought to be a law against admitting you 'might' be feeling better.No sooner do I post that I end up in front of the computer mindlessly playing cards while hating myself
>
> sigh
>
> lilithTry not to look on admitting you might be feeling better as leading to your feeling worse. Moving to a happier state after a long period of depression is difficult, and there will almost certainly be fluctuations. This period of self-hate is one of the them. While self-hate is a state you no doubt know too well, don't deny yourself the knowledge of having felt better. Feeling happy may be less familiar, but it's no less real than feeling unhappy.
Posted by liliths on February 9, 2007, at 6:17:24
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » liliths, posted by Iansf on February 8, 2007, at 23:12:03
Thank you very much for your kind words.
The habit of being depressed can be hard to break. I sometimes fear I sabotage my own attempts to climb out of the pit.
but you are right... both states are transitory and not being attached to either can be a helpful way of coping
namaste,
lilith> Try not to look on admitting you might be feeling better as leading to your feeling worse. Moving to a happier state after a long period of depression is difficult, and there will almost certainly be fluctuations. This period of self-hate is one of the them. While self-hate is a state you no doubt know too well, don't deny yourself the knowledge of having felt better. Feeling happy may be less familiar, but it's no less real than feeling unhappy.
Posted by Declan on February 10, 2007, at 1:28:30
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » Iansf, posted by liliths on February 9, 2007, at 6:17:24
>Feeling happy may be less familiar, but it's no less real than feeling unhappy.<
I wish I could remember the good things I've read about this, and I wish I could believe it too....I mean really believe it, deep down and without effort.
Force of habits of thought?
Posted by liliths on February 10, 2007, at 7:20:56
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine, posted by Declan on February 10, 2007, at 1:28:30
hi Declan,
I know what you mean. Ever since my initial post I've been consumed by despair. My biggest fear is that I have become so 'comfortable' with pain, I can't let the light in anymore.
But for a few obligations (mainly my aging cat), I'm about ready to just give up. I wish I truly believed I could be restored but the notion of accumulating any time feeling good seems a distant memory
I do think the 'habits' of depression are like some sort of insidious demon
I hope you are having a better day.
namaste,
lilith> >Feeling happy may be less familiar, but it's no less real than feeling unhappy.<
>
> I wish I could remember the good things I've read about this, and I wish I could believe it too....I mean really believe it, deep down and without effort.
>
> Force of habits of thought?
>
>
Posted by elanor roosevelt on February 10, 2007, at 13:39:35
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » Declan, posted by liliths on February 10, 2007, at 7:20:56
met with my pdoc yesterday and we are not on the same page w/ the tianeptine
i just got slammed by the lexapro and i need to pull out of this state of mind
pdoc was lost as to the next step so i walked away with a paxil (not cr) script --
i have tianeptine and would like to start
from what i have read here, it takes a while to kick in and i am deciding if i should try to pull out of this bad spot with the paxil first
actually, just writing this has helped me decide
f*ck the paxil
i am going to start on 2 half-tabs of the stablon today
i am also taking 5mg adderall 2x daily,
10mg ambien and xanax as needed -- approx 2mg daily
Posted by Declan on February 10, 2007, at 21:30:30
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » Declan, posted by liliths on February 10, 2007, at 7:20:56
I am having a better day. Thanx for thinking of me.
Do you know what it is you are despairing about?
Posted by Declan on February 10, 2007, at 21:32:39
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 10, 2007, at 13:39:35
Elanor, tianeptine worked for me straight away pretty much.
Like Valium or something like that.
Posted by liliths on February 11, 2007, at 6:20:23
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 10, 2007, at 13:39:35
hi elanor
I felt the taineptine immediately as well - though I started at 1 tab 2x daily. It hasn't 'changed' my world but it has made a difference and every little bit helps. I think, for me, changing some of my depressed, self-defeating habits have become 1/2 the battle
have you always taken your adderall in a split dose? how does that work for you? I've been thinking of splitting my focalin as I feel the effects of the tianeptine much more in the a.m. along with my add meds than I do in the afternoon.
personally I wouldn't waste my time with paxil, unless you've done well on ssri's in the past. They make me numb, anorgasmic and just 'blunt' everything... not my idea of living
Good Luck with the tianeptine... please keep us updated :))
namaste,
lilith> met with my pdoc yesterday and we are not on the same page w/ the tianeptine
> i just got slammed by the lexapro and i need to pull out of this state of mind
> pdoc was lost as to the next step so i walked away with a paxil (not cr) script --
> i have tianeptine and would like to start
> from what i have read here, it takes a while to kick in and i am deciding if i should try to pull out of this bad spot with the paxil first
> actually, just writing this has helped me decide
> f*ck the paxil
> i am going to start on 2 half-tabs of the stablon today
> i am also taking 5mg adderall 2x daily,
> 10mg ambien and xanax as needed -- approx 2mg daily
>
Posted by liliths on February 11, 2007, at 6:34:06
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » liliths, posted by Declan on February 10, 2007, at 21:30:30
hi Declan
I'm so glad to hear you're enjoyed a better day - I hope you gather strings of them :)
If I had to try to condense my despair, I would have to say it's because I simply don't know how to live and can't bear it anymore. Sometimes it feels as if I'm taking small steps out of this pit only to feel myself slide right back down into the muck... I'm so tired of fighting. Starting to think it's time to just give up.
But there are 'issues' as well. I've posted about my recent attempt to get a life (selling my house and going back to school full-time for a year... and it took everything I had left to pull THAT off!), only to be put down because of my treatement for depression. The state denied me the license I worked really hard for, unless I was willing to be treated like a drug addict. What 'might' have actually been a new beginning for me was over before it ever began. I don't even care anymore. I fought them hard the first time and even though I'm still appealing the ruling, I don't have anything left to do battle again. It just doesn't matter and feels like I need to just let go of that and move on.. but to what? I'm unable to leave the house most days... running out of money and fast. Need serious dental work I can't afford....and on and on and on and on... ad nauseum
Thank you for asking but I think I'm a lost cause
I hope you have a glorious day!!
namaste,
lilith> I am having a better day. Thanx for thinking of me.
>
> Do you know what it is you are despairing about?
>
>
Posted by ralphrost on February 11, 2007, at 21:26:41
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » Declan, posted by liliths on February 11, 2007, at 6:34:06
Well,
it seems like there is some relationship between my skin health and mood. After some successful response to Tianeptine (and it's only one week), I'm starting to have Acne again, the ones that got efficiently busted by Accutane... might then Accutane have messed up with my mood? Very probably...
I read an article of an Accutane research showing that it changes monoaminergic transmission.
My previous experience is that dopaminergics (including Ropinirole and oil fish) do increase skin oleosity, leading to acne.
I also heard that Parnate also does that.
Any experience?
Posted by elanor roosevelt on February 11, 2007, at 22:01:39
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on February 11, 2007, at 6:20:23
lilith,
I am new to adderall but figured i would have to split the dose to avoid a meltdown.
i skipped the paxil and now i am on my second day with the tianeptine.
i am sorry to hear you are having such a hard time
any way you can get yourself out of the house in the morning?
i know it can be rough but early in the morning, before you have a chance to talk yourself out of it.
also, if you can get just a bit of sunshine.
hang in therehi elanor
>
> I felt the taineptine immediately as well - though I started at 1 tab 2x daily. It hasn't 'changed' my world but it has made a difference and every little bit helps. I think, for me, changing some of my depressed, self-defeating habits have become 1/2 the battle
>
> have you always taken your adderall in a split dose? how does that work for you? I've been thinking of splitting my focalin as I feel the effects of the tianeptine much more in the a.m. along with my add meds than I do in the afternoon.
>
> personally I wouldn't waste my time with paxil, unless you've done well on ssri's in the past. They make me numb, anorgasmic and just 'blunt' everything... not my idea of living
>
> Good Luck with the tianeptine... please keep us updated :))
>
> namaste,
> lilith
>
> > met with my pdoc yesterday and we are not on the same page w/ the tianeptine
> > i just got slammed by the lexapro and i need to pull out of this state of mind
> > pdoc was lost as to the next step so i walked away with a paxil (not cr) script --
> > i have tianeptine and would like to start
> > from what i have read here, it takes a while to kick in and i am deciding if i should try to pull out of this bad spot with the paxil first
> > actually, just writing this has helped me decide
> > f*ck the paxil
> > i am going to start on 2 half-tabs of the stablon today
> > i am also taking 5mg adderall 2x daily,
> > 10mg ambien and xanax as needed -- approx 2mg daily
> >
>
>
Posted by Declan on February 12, 2007, at 0:48:09
In reply to Oh no, Accutane x Mood, posted by ralphrost on February 11, 2007, at 21:26:41
Dunno Ralph
But someone here said tianeptine dried out his skin.
I really only say that to discourage you from restarting Accutane.
There must be dietary type thingos you can do to help with acne????
Posted by ralphrost on February 12, 2007, at 8:11:45
In reply to Re: Oh no, Accutane x Mood » ralphrost, posted by Declan on February 12, 2007, at 0:48:09
Hello Declan,
actually I stopped it in September, after a 7 months full treatment. My skin was great and clean till I started Tia. But I'm doing pretty well on Tia, and don't want to give up.
I'm thinking about starting a lotion version of Accutane (isotretinoin). It has a very mild effect, but maybe it's enough to prevent an avalanche effect of acne. It's not scary, also...
Unfortunately I got acne since I was a kid, it was pretty persistent for me, and nothing (diet, lotions...) ever helped me except Accutane.
Are you better man?
Best wishes,
Ralph
> Dunno Ralph
> But someone here said tianeptine dried out his skin.
> I really only say that to discourage you from restarting Accutane.
> There must be dietary type thingos you can do to help with acne????
Posted by liliths on February 12, 2007, at 9:27:30
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 11, 2007, at 22:01:39
hi elanor,
thanks for the sympathy... it goes a long way. I managed to get out over the weekend but now have some health issues which will probably be the only thing I attend to this week... sigh
that said, I am trying splitting my dose of focalin since the tianeptine seems to work well with it. I had oral surgery this morning, saw no reason to take both pills for that! so I figured I'd take the other focalin in the afternoon with the other taineptine and maybe drop the wellbutrin. It goes against my training of only changing one thing at a time LOL but that said, I'm getting impatient.
I hope to get more mileage from the focalin timewise that way but I also don't want to compromise what it does for me now. The last time I tried cutting the dose, it took 5 days before I noticed the difference and it was really bad. Only this time I'm attempting to just spread it out. I hope it works
I hope the tianeptine is helping you. I think you made a good choice not bothering with the paxil. Are you still taking only 1/2 tabs? and was the adderall given to you for ADD for as an AD?
good luck to you!! I really hope this new regimen works for you :)
namaste,
lilith> lilith,
> I am new to adderall but figured i would have to split the dose to avoid a meltdown.
> i skipped the paxil and now i am on my second day with the tianeptine.
> i am sorry to hear you are having such a hard time
> any way you can get yourself out of the house in the morning?
> i know it can be rough but early in the morning, before you have a chance to talk yourself out of it.
> also, if you can get just a bit of sunshine.
> hang in there
>
> hi elanor
> >
> > I felt the taineptine immediately as well - though I started at 1 tab 2x daily. It hasn't 'changed' my world but it has made a difference and every little bit helps. I think, for me, changing some of my depressed, self-defeating habits have become 1/2 the battle
> >
> > have you always taken your adderall in a split dose? how does that work for you? I've been thinking of splitting my focalin as I feel the effects of the tianeptine much more in the a.m. along with my add meds than I do in the afternoon.
> >
> > personally I wouldn't waste my time with paxil, unless you've done well on ssri's in the past. They make me numb, anorgasmic and just 'blunt' everything... not my idea of living
> >
> > Good Luck with the tianeptine... please keep us updated :))
> >
> > namaste,
> > lilith
> >
> > > met with my pdoc yesterday and we are not on the same page w/ the tianeptine
> > > i just got slammed by the lexapro and i need to pull out of this state of mind
> > > pdoc was lost as to the next step so i walked away with a paxil (not cr) script --
> > > i have tianeptine and would like to start
> > > from what i have read here, it takes a while to kick in and i am deciding if i should try to pull out of this bad spot with the paxil first
> > > actually, just writing this has helped me decide
> > > f*ck the paxil
> > > i am going to start on 2 half-tabs of the stablon today
> > > i am also taking 5mg adderall 2x daily,
> > > 10mg ambien and xanax as needed -- approx 2mg daily
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by Jimmyboy on February 12, 2007, at 11:13:02
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 11, 2007, at 22:01:39
Hi everyone,
I have been on Tianeptine for about 17 days now. Its really easy to take, no side effects (finally!) or anything .. I think its helping , but as alot of people say, I think its effects although possibly important .. are subtle, much more than other AD's. I find myself functioning alot better than I have in a long time though.
What type of positive effects have people noticed while on Tianeptine? Anyone know if the AD response will continue to get stronger ( like I said I've been in a little over 2 wks) - is it going to become more pronounced over the course of the next month?
Thanks and good luck to all,
JB
Posted by Declan on February 12, 2007, at 18:59:48
In reply to Tianeptine - what positives have you noticed?, posted by Jimmyboy on February 12, 2007, at 11:13:02
Somewhere I read tianeptine described as a psychotonic.
Jimmyboy, I found/find it comforting and was happy enough just being me, which was an improvement. It felt mildly prosocial and I was prepared to try new things. This was an effect that was clear enough for others to notice in me.
Thanks Ralph, I am feeling better.
Posted by liliths on February 13, 2007, at 8:52:27
In reply to Tianeptine - what positives have you noticed?, posted by Jimmyboy on February 12, 2007, at 11:13:02
hi JB,
well at 17 days, you're ahead of me as I've just started it myself. I too really like the low/no side effects and though I feel 'better', it's really hard to pin down... as you ay, it's a subtle drug, another thing I really like about it. I have noticed it seems to work best with my ADD meds and so I'm now trying to split that dose and see how it goes. Unfortunately I'm dealing with some health issues, which clouds everything but I'd be really curious to know how you're doing on it.
let's see... what dose are you taking? what else do you take? and have you decided if the effects become more pronounced over time? I'm hoping for a resounding yes on that one, if one can call anything induced by it 'resounding', considering it whispers rather than shouts. LOL though I'd say feeling better is cause enough :)
please keep us posted on how you're doing
good luck!!
namaste
lilith> Hi everyone,
>
> I have been on Tianeptine for about 17 days now. Its really easy to take, no side effects (finally!) or anything .. I think its helping , but as alot of people say, I think its effects although possibly important .. are subtle, much more than other AD's. I find myself functioning alot better than I have in a long time though.
>
> What type of positive effects have people noticed while on Tianeptine? Anyone know if the AD response will continue to get stronger ( like I said I've been in a little over 2 wks) - is it going to become more pronounced over the course of the next month?
>
> Thanks and good luck to all,
>
> JB
Posted by elanor roosevelt on February 13, 2007, at 11:18:25
In reply to Re: Oh no, Accutane x Mood » ralphrost, posted by Declan on February 12, 2007, at 0:48:09
> Dunno Ralph
> But someone here said tianeptine dried out his skin.the skin thing
i wondered why it took a sudden turn
nyc is brutal on the skin in the winter but my skin is over the top
maybe fish oils will help
how about bruising?
Posted by elanor roosevelt on February 13, 2007, at 11:22:53
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on February 12, 2007, at 9:27:30
>I am still on 3xhalf tabs of tianeptine and
2x 5g adderall
the ADD med i talked my way into as a way to extend the effectivenes of lexapro
it did not work that way
the lexapro slammed me
however, i have always known i am ADD just never could convince the doctors
now i can read non fiction for more than 30 seconds at a time
and i immediately stopped biting my nails and bothering my cuticles (side effect of life and lexapro)
so i am hopeful. thinking i might decrease the adderall as i increase tianeptine - still figuring it all out -- timed it badly yesterday and had a number of hours being pretty ticked off at the universe.
tried to stick with the mantra: it's just the meds, it's just the medsare your medical problems going to keep you housebound?
hi elanor,
>
> thanks for the sympathy... it goes a long way. I managed to get out over the weekend but now have some health issues which will probably be the only thing I attend to this week... sigh
>
> that said, I am trying splitting my dose of focalin since the tianeptine seems to work well with it. I had oral surgery this morning, saw no reason to take both pills for that! so I figured I'd take the other focalin in the afternoon with the other taineptine and maybe drop the wellbutrin. It goes against my training of only changing one thing at a time LOL but that said, I'm getting impatient.
>
> I hope to get more mileage from the focalin timewise that way but I also don't want to compromise what it does for me now. The last time I tried cutting the dose, it took 5 days before I noticed the difference and it was really bad. Only this time I'm attempting to just spread it out. I hope it works
>
> I hope the tianeptine is helping you. I think you made a good choice not bothering with the paxil. Are you still taking only 1/2 tabs? and was the adderall given to you for ADD for as an AD?
>
> good luck to you!! I really hope this new regimen works for you :)
>
> namaste,
> lilith
>
> > lilith,
> > I am new to adderall but figured i would have to split the dose to avoid a meltdown.
> > i skipped the paxil and now i am on my second day with the tianeptine.
> > i am sorry to hear you are having such a hard time
> > any way you can get yourself out of the house in the morning?
> > i know it can be rough but early in the morning, before you have a chance to talk yourself out of it.
> > also, if you can get just a bit of sunshine.
> > hang in there
> >
> > hi elanor
> > >
> > > I felt the taineptine immediately as well - though I started at 1 tab 2x daily. It hasn't 'changed' my world but it has made a difference and every little bit helps. I think, for me, changing some of my depressed, self-defeating habits have become 1/2 the battle
> > >
> > > have you always taken your adderall in a split dose? how does that work for you? I've been thinking of splitting my focalin as I feel the effects of the tianeptine much more in the a.m. along with my add meds than I do in the afternoon.
> > >
> > > personally I wouldn't waste my time with paxil, unless you've done well on ssri's in the past. They make me numb, anorgasmic and just 'blunt' everything... not my idea of living
> > >
> > > Good Luck with the tianeptine... please keep us updated :))
> > >
> > > namaste,
> > > lilith
> > >
> > > > met with my pdoc yesterday and we are not on the same page w/ the tianeptine
> > > > i just got slammed by the lexapro and i need to pull out of this state of mind
> > > > pdoc was lost as to the next step so i walked away with a paxil (not cr) script --
> > > > i have tianeptine and would like to start
> > > > from what i have read here, it takes a while to kick in and i am deciding if i should try to pull out of this bad spot with the paxil first
> > > > actually, just writing this has helped me decide
> > > > f*ck the paxil
> > > > i am going to start on 2 half-tabs of the stablon today
> > > > i am also taking 5mg adderall 2x daily,
> > > > 10mg ambien and xanax as needed -- approx 2mg daily
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
hi elanor,
>
> thanks for the sympathy... it goes a long way. I managed to get out over the weekend but now have some health issues which will probably be the only thing I attend to this week... sigh
>
> that said, I am trying splitting my dose of focalin since the tianeptine seems to work well with it. I had oral surgery this morning, saw no reason to take both pills for that! so I figured I'd take the other focalin in the afternoon with the other taineptine and maybe drop the wellbutrin. It goes against my training of only changing one thing at a time LOL but that said, I'm getting impatient.
>
> I hope to get more mileage from the focalin timewise that way but I also don't want to compromise what it does for me now. The last time I tried cutting the dose, it took 5 days before I noticed the difference and it was really bad. Only this time I'm attempting to just spread it out. I hope it works
>
> I hope the tianeptine is helping you. I think you made a good choice not bothering with the paxil. Are you still taking only 1/2 tabs? and was the adderall given to you for ADD for as an AD?
>
> good luck to you!! I really hope this new regimen works for you :)
>
> namaste,
> lilith
>
> > lilith,
> > I am new to adderall but figured i would have to split the dose to avoid a meltdown.
> > i skipped the paxil and now i am on my second day with the tianeptine.
> > i am sorry to hear you are having such a hard time
> > any way you can get yourself out of the house in the morning?
> > i know it can be rough but early in the morning, before you have a chance to talk yourself out of it.
> > also, if you can get just a bit of sunshine.
> > hang in there
> >
> > hi elanor
> > >
> > > I felt the taineptine immediately as well - though I started at 1 tab 2x daily. It hasn't 'changed' my world but it has made a difference and every little bit helps. I think, for me, changing some of my depressed, self-defeating habits have become 1/2 the battle
> > >
> > > have you always taken your adderall in a split dose? how does that work for you? I've been thinking of splitting my focalin as I feel the effects of the tianeptine much more in the a.m. along with my add meds than I do in the afternoon.
> > >
> > > personally I wouldn't waste my time with paxil, unless you've done well on ssri's in the past. They make me numb, anorgasmic and just 'blunt' everything... not my idea of living
> > >
> > > Good Luck with the tianeptine... please keep us updated :))
> > >
> > > namaste,
> > > lilith
> > >
> > > > met with my pdoc yesterday and we are not on the same page w/ the tianeptine
> > > > i just got slammed by the lexapro and i need to pull out of this state of mind
> > > > pdoc was lost as to the next step so i walked away with a paxil (not cr) script --
> > > > i have tianeptine and would like to start
> > > > from what i have read here, it takes a while to kick in and i am deciding if i should try to pull out of this bad spot with the paxil first
> > > > actually, just writing this has helped me decide
> > > > f*ck the paxil
> > > > i am going to start on 2 half-tabs of the stablon today
> > > > i am also taking 5mg adderall 2x daily,
> > > > 10mg ambien and xanax as needed -- approx 2mg daily
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by liliths on February 13, 2007, at 13:18:16
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 13, 2007, at 11:22:53
hi elanor
what does the lexapro do for you? Maybe you'd be better off on just the adderall and the tianeptine (along with your ambien and xanax :) but I'm no doctor.
what do you mean about the bad time you had yesterday? What exactly happened to you? Do you know which drug (or combination) makes you angry? How long have you been on the Lexapro? Has it helped?
I'm personally anti-SSRI, but that's just me. Didn't you say your doctor had given you a script for paxil? Was that to replace the lexapro or were you going to take 2 SSRI's?
Though I actually fought the ADD diagnosis when it was first presented to me, I now wonder what might life might've been like if I'd accepted it a long time ago. The media always uses the young male model as the stereotype and I never related to that. Once I did some research on how it tended to show up in females, it was "oh duh!" LOL
right now I'm home, still recovering from the oral surgery but I hope to be able to get out tomorrow. I have some tests scheduled for the rest... an MRI on thursday and some nerve conduction tests next week. I'm having a lot of problems with joint pain and weakness in my right arm and now, both hands.
I know I have some disc issues in my neck and my lower back but this joint thing has me really concerned. I haven't been able to work out and that alone exacerbates my depression. My pdoc once told me that no pill would help me unless I exercised every day and there is some truth to that. Unfortunately, when I'm really depressed, I don't do what's needed to make myself feel better. I dig my heels in and feel worse!
I feel almost embarrassed writing that - it's so easy for me to blame myself for my problems. Too easy actually. So these current issues have been giving me just what I need to keep spiraling down the toilet... sigh
My fight with the state over becoming licensed is a whole other bag of worms! I won't even go there... but it did basically pull the rug out from under me and made me retreat full time into my lair. It's hard enough battling depression from the inside, but when life on the outside conspires against you, it becomes almost impossible
I need to find some p/t work. Some structure, along with the money I desperately need, would go a long way towards bringing me back. Particularly now, while I'm actually feeling some good effects from the tianeptine. I know there's a window... that once I become 'used' to it, it won't feel as strong, even if it's still working. Breaking my depressive habits are critical for me.
I've been going through one of those phases where the saying: "if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all" has been too true. I'm hoping things will turn around. It would be nice if they could figure out what's causing the pain and weakness and fix it but I'm not overly optimistic about medicine. More likely I'll have to fight my way through it myself
thanks for asking.. sorry I rambled on
I hope you sort everything out and make it work... sounds like your on your way :)
Good Luck!!
namaste,
lilith> >I am still on 3xhalf tabs of tianeptine and
> 2x 5g adderall
> the ADD med i talked my way into as a way to extend the effectivenes of lexapro
> it did not work that way
> the lexapro slammed me
> however, i have always known i am ADD just never could convince the doctors
> now i can read non fiction for more than 30 seconds at a time
> and i immediately stopped biting my nails and bothering my cuticles (side effect of life and lexapro)
> so i am hopeful. thinking i might decrease the adderall as i increase tianeptine - still figuring it all out -- timed it badly yesterday and had a number of hours being pretty ticked off at the universe.
> tried to stick with the mantra: it's just the meds, it's just the meds
>
> are your medical problems going to keep you housebound?
>
> hi elanor,
> >
> > thanks for the sympathy... it goes a long way. I managed to get out over the weekend but now have some health issues which will probably be the only thing I attend to this week... sigh
> >
> > that said, I am trying splitting my dose of focalin since the tianeptine seems to work well with it. I had oral surgery this morning, saw no reason to take both pills for that! so I figured I'd take the other focalin in the afternoon with the other taineptine and maybe drop the wellbutrin. It goes against my training of only changing one thing at a time LOL but that said, I'm getting impatient.
> >
> > I hope to get more mileage from the focalin timewise that way but I also don't want to compromise what it does for me now. The last time I tried cutting the dose, it took 5 days before I noticed the difference and it was really bad. Only this time I'm attempting to just spread it out. I hope it works
> >
> > I hope the tianeptine is helping you. I think you made a good choice not bothering with the paxil. Are you still taking only 1/2 tabs? and was the adderall given to you for ADD for as an AD?
> >
> > good luck to you!! I really hope this new regimen works for you :)
> >
> > namaste,
> > lilith
> >
> > > lilith,
> > > I am new to adderall but figured i would have to split the dose to avoid a meltdown.
> > > i skipped the paxil and now i am on my second day with the tianeptine.
> > > i am sorry to hear you are having such a hard time
> > > any way you can get yourself out of the house in the morning?
> > > i know it can be rough but early in the morning, before you have a chance to talk yourself out of it.
> > > also, if you can get just a bit of sunshine.
> > > hang in there
> > >
> > > hi elanor
> > > >
> > > > I felt the taineptine immediately as well - though I started at 1 tab 2x daily. It hasn't 'changed' my world but it has made a difference and every little bit helps. I think, for me, changing some of my depressed, self-defeating habits have become 1/2 the battle
> > > >
> > > > have you always taken your adderall in a split dose? how does that work for you? I've been thinking of splitting my focalin as I feel the effects of the tianeptine much more in the a.m. along with my add meds than I do in the afternoon.
> > > >
> > > > personally I wouldn't waste my time with paxil, unless you've done well on ssri's in the past. They make me numb, anorgasmic and just 'blunt' everything... not my idea of living
> > > >
> > > > Good Luck with the tianeptine... please keep us updated :))
> > > >
> > > > namaste,
> > > > lilith
> > > >
> > > > > met with my pdoc yesterday and we are not on the same page w/ the tianeptine
> > > > > i just got slammed by the lexapro and i need to pull out of this state of mind
> > > > > pdoc was lost as to the next step so i walked away with a paxil (not cr) script --
> > > > > i have tianeptine and would like to start
> > > > > from what i have read here, it takes a while to kick in and i am deciding if i should try to pull out of this bad spot with the paxil first
> > > > > actually, just writing this has helped me decide
> > > > > f*ck the paxil
> > > > > i am going to start on 2 half-tabs of the stablon today
> > > > > i am also taking 5mg adderall 2x daily,
> > > > > 10mg ambien and xanax as needed -- approx 2mg daily
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> hi elanor,
> >
> > thanks for the sympathy... it goes a long way. I managed to get out over the weekend but now have some health issues which will probably be the only thing I attend to this week... sigh
> >
> > that said, I am trying splitting my dose of focalin since the tianeptine seems to work well with it. I had oral surgery this morning, saw no reason to take both pills for that! so I figured I'd take the other focalin in the afternoon with the other taineptine and maybe drop the wellbutrin. It goes against my training of only changing one thing at a time LOL but that said, I'm getting impatient.
> >
> > I hope to get more mileage from the focalin timewise that way but I also don't want to compromise what it does for me now. The last time I tried cutting the dose, it took 5 days before I noticed the difference and it was really bad. Only this time I'm attempting to just spread it out. I hope it works
> >
> > I hope the tianeptine is helping you. I think you made a good choice not bothering with the paxil. Are you still taking only 1/2 tabs? and was the adderall given to you for ADD for as an AD?
> >
> > good luck to you!! I really hope this new regimen works for you :)
> >
> > namaste,
> > lilith
> >
> > > lilith,
> > > I am new to adderall but figured i would have to split the dose to avoid a meltdown.
> > > i skipped the paxil and now i am on my second day with the tianeptine.
> > > i am sorry to hear you are having such a hard time
> > > any way you can get yourself out of the house in the morning?
> > > i know it can be rough but early in the morning, before you have a chance to talk yourself out of it.
> > > also, if you can get just a bit of sunshine.
> > > hang in there
> > >
> > > hi elanor
> > > >
> > > > I felt the taineptine immediately as well - though I started at 1 tab 2x daily. It hasn't 'changed' my world but it has made a difference and every little bit helps. I think, for me, changing some of my depressed, self-defeating habits have become 1/2 the battle
> > > >
> > > > have you always taken your adderall in a split dose? how does that work for you? I've been thinking of splitting my focalin as I feel the effects of the tianeptine much more in the a.m. along with my add meds than I do in the afternoon.
> > > >
> > > > personally I wouldn't waste my time with paxil, unless you've done well on ssri's in the past. They make me numb, anorgasmic and just 'blunt' everything... not my idea of living
> > > >
> > > > Good Luck with the tianeptine... please keep us updated :))
> > > >
> > > > namaste,
> > > > lilith
> > > >
> > > > > met with my pdoc yesterday and we are not on the same page w/ the tianeptine
> > > > > i just got slammed by the lexapro and i need to pull out of this state of mind
> > > > > pdoc was lost as to the next step so i walked away with a paxil (not cr) script --
> > > > > i have tianeptine and would like to start
> > > > > from what i have read here, it takes a while to kick in and i am deciding if i should try to pull out of this bad spot with the paxil first
> > > > > actually, just writing this has helped me decide
> > > > > f*ck the paxil
> > > > > i am going to start on 2 half-tabs of the stablon today
> > > > > i am also taking 5mg adderall 2x daily,
> > > > > 10mg ambien and xanax as needed -- approx 2mg daily
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by elanor roosevelt on February 13, 2007, at 18:51:39
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on February 13, 2007, at 13:18:16
lilths
i got a script for paxil bc i was struggling with the decision to go forward with the tianeptine (i had already stopped the lexapro)
and i will continue to get scripts for paxil and fake it bc i need my pdoc and i think he will fire me if he knows about the tianeptine
like being a teenager again -- hiding baggies of barbituates
life is strange
Posted by liliths on February 14, 2007, at 8:13:20
In reply to little white lies, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 13, 2007, at 18:51:39
hi elanor
I totally understand. Though I 'mentioned' being interested in tianeptine to my pdoc, he didn't respond and I saw no reason to tell him I was planning on ordering it. I don't think he'd take kindly to what he'd perceive as my prescribing for myself. He's already shown himself to quite territorial about just who has the power and control LOL
I probably won't mention I went off the wellbutrin. Of course, I'm not totally sure whether I'll stay off it either. I've been taking such a low dose, 100mg in the afternoon, that it might be a good thing to continue.
But it's highly unlikely I'll tell my pdoc I started the tianeptine though I may bring in an article about it to further test his response at my next appointment. IF I can get him to consider it a good idea on his own, then I can pretend to just start it
yes, it IS like being a kid again. well, when you think about it, we were all probably self-medicating anyway. I was a speed freak when I was in high school. Think it had anything to do with having ADD and depression? LOL
hope you're doing well on the adderral/tianeptine/xanax combo. I found 1mg klonopin works well with my focalin in the morning.
I hope you're doing better & better every day
Happy Valentine's Day! :)
namaste,
lilith> lilths
> i got a script for paxil bc i was struggling with the decision to go forward with the tianeptine (i had already stopped the lexapro)
> and i will continue to get scripts for paxil and fake it bc i need my pdoc and i think he will fire me if he knows about the tianeptine
> like being a teenager again -- hiding baggies of barbituates
> life is strange
>
Posted by Jimmyboy on February 14, 2007, at 14:21:57
In reply to Re: Oh no, Accutane x Mood, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 13, 2007, at 11:18:25
I have also noticed that my skin has dried out quite noticeably the last few weeks since I started taking Tianeptine.. is this a common side effect?
JB
Posted by ralphrost on February 14, 2007, at 19:00:56
In reply to Re: just started tianeptine, posted by Declan on February 10, 2007, at 1:28:30
It's two weeks on Tianeptine (2 x 12,5 mg).
Quite difficult to sleep early and wake early as well. I end up sleeping at 2 or 3 am and waking up around 11 am. When I wake up, I have some strong drowsiness that lasts about an hour. Then I start getting anxious.
Today was very tough... Quite dysphoric :|
The initial (mild) benefits are gone, but I'm hopeful and don't intend to give up soon, though...
Thought about raising it to 3x day, dunno.
Hope everybody is doing fine
Best wishes,
Ralph
Posted by ralphrost on February 14, 2007, at 19:02:59
In reply to Tianeptine - skin drying out » elanor roosevelt, posted by Jimmyboy on February 14, 2007, at 14:21:57
Weird for me, because I had the opposite effect.
My skin got more oily, although I'm not really stable on (stablon? ;) anything the last days...
Hope you're doing well
Ralph
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