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Posted by TDog on June 22, 2004, at 13:21:23
Which is better, valium or librium, for the immediate relief of anxiety for a person with an anxiety disorder? Which is stronger? More addictive?
Also, I am already on klonopin and am looking for a fast acting benzo like valium and librium. i'd like to avoid xanax. how is ativan? would it be better than valium? is it more addictive than valium?
any comments or answers would be greatly appreciative. Thank you! -TDog
Posted by chemist on June 22, 2004, at 16:42:27
In reply to Valium vs Librium, posted by TDog on June 22, 2004, at 13:21:23
> Which is better, valium or librium, for the immediate relief of anxiety for a person with an anxiety disorder? Which is stronger? More addictive?
*** in prn dosing, valium. librium - chlordiazepoxide - was the first benzodiazepene synthesized, just a tidbit. i have read that relative potency for librium is about twice that of valium. however, valium is very strong stuff, and my experience with librium is very limited. if i had to choose, i would go with ativan (see below) for prn dosing, although valium's onset of action is faster than ativan in prn dosing ****
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> Also, I am already on klonopin and am looking for a fast acting benzo like valium and librium. i'd like to avoid xanax. how is ativan? would it be better than valium? is it more addictive than valium?*** valium, ativan, and xanax are roughly equal in terms of abuse potential. ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium for prn dosing, however, the anxiolytic effect lasts longer. in my opinion, ativan is a better choice given that you already have a steady-state of klonopin and the breakthrough panic/anxiety will be handled by ativan; no need to bring in the heavy stuff, in my opinion. all the best, chemist ***
> any comments or answers would be greatly appreciative. Thank you! -TDog
Posted by paulbwell on June 22, 2004, at 18:10:22
In reply to Re: Valium vs Librium » TDog, posted by chemist on June 22, 2004, at 16:42:27
> > Which is better, valium or librium, for the immediate relief of anxiety for a person with an anxiety disorder? Which is stronger? More addictive?
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> *** in prn dosing, valium. librium - chlordiazepoxide - was the first benzodiazepene synthesized, just a tidbit. i have read that relative potency for librium is about twice that of valium. however, valium is very strong stuff, and my experience with librium is very limited. if i had to choose, i would go with ativan (see below) for prn dosing, although valium's onset of action is faster than ativan in prn dosing ****
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> > Also, I am already on klonopin and am looking for a fast acting benzo like valium and librium. i'd like to avoid xanax. how is ativan? would it be better than valium? is it more addictive than valium?
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> *** valium, ativan, and xanax are roughly equal in terms of abuse potential. ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium for prn dosing, however, the anxiolytic effect lasts longer. in my opinion, ativan is a better choice given that you already have a steady-state of klonopin and the breakthrough panic/anxiety will be handled by ativan; no need to bring in the heavy stuff, in my opinion. all the best, chemist ***
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> > any comments or answers would be greatly appreciative. Thank you! -TDog
>Valium, very strong stuf?? explain I havn't noticed this.
What about Seconal? Nembutal? Qualuued? I thought these were very strong stuf??
Posted by chemist on June 22, 2004, at 18:52:56
In reply to Re: Valium vs Librium » chemist, posted by paulbwell on June 22, 2004, at 18:10:22
> > > Which is better, valium or librium, for the immediate relief of anxiety for a person with an anxiety disorder? Which is stronger? More addictive?
> >
> > *** in prn dosing, valium. librium - chlordiazepoxide - was the first benzodiazepene synthesized, just a tidbit. i have read that relative potency for librium is about twice that of valium. however, valium is very strong stuff, and my experience with librium is very limited. if i had to choose, i would go with ativan (see below) for prn dosing, although valium's onset of action is faster than ativan in prn dosing ****
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> > > Also, I am already on klonopin and am looking for a fast acting benzo like valium and librium. i'd like to avoid xanax. how is ativan? would it be better than valium? is it more addictive than valium?
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> > *** valium, ativan, and xanax are roughly equal in terms of abuse potential. ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium for prn dosing, however, the anxiolytic effect lasts longer. in my opinion, ativan is a better choice given that you already have a steady-state of klonopin and the breakthrough panic/anxiety will be handled by ativan; no need to bring in the heavy stuff, in my opinion. all the best, chemist ***
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> > > any comments or answers would be greatly appreciative. Thank you! -TDog
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> Valium, very strong stuf?? explain I havn't noticed this.
> What about Seconal? Nembutal? Qualuued? I thought these were very strong stuf??
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hello there, chemist here....you are talking about diffrent classes of drugs. within the benzodiazepine and benzo-derivative family, diazepam is quite powerful in relation to others, with notable exceptions being midazolam and triazolam (although i'm sure will be continued debate over this....). seconal and nembutal are barbituates, not benzodiazepines. quaalude is methaqualone, and is netiher a benzodiazepine or a barbituate. the poster was asking about anxiolytics - benzodiazepines - and thus discussing more sedating (and dangerous) drugs was moot, in my opinion. all the best, chemist
Posted by Lazarus on June 22, 2004, at 23:14:46
In reply to Valium vs Librium, posted by TDog on June 22, 2004, at 13:21:23
I have taken both and find that Librium (chlordiazpoxide) is best. It relieves anxiety without drowsiness. I took 10 mg prn. Even the color is cool (turquoise and black capsule). Unfortunately my psychiatrist hardly ever gives it to me because I am a recovering alcoholic.
Lazarus
Posted by crazychickuk on June 23, 2004, at 3:25:48
In reply to Re: Librium is better, posted by Lazarus on June 22, 2004, at 23:14:46
Librium sounds like a god send..
Posted by TDog on June 23, 2004, at 16:03:20
In reply to Re: Valium vs Librium » TDog, posted by chemist on June 22, 2004, at 16:42:27
chemist, when u said:
"ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium for prn dosing, however, the anxiolytic effect lasts longer."
how much longer is the anxiolytic effect of ativan vs valium?
and how long is the anxiolytic effect or valium?
Posted by chemist on June 23, 2004, at 17:58:15
In reply to Re: Valium vs Librium, posted by TDog on June 23, 2004, at 16:03:20
> chemist, when u said:
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> "ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium for prn dosing, however, the anxiolytic effect lasts longer."
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> how much longer is the anxiolytic effect of ativan vs valium?
> and how long is the anxiolytic effect or valium?hi there...all of this is in the context of prn dosing, not chronic...ativan's onset is quicker but the duration of anxiolytic effects are shorter than valium...given that the goal here is to have a few doses of a med handy to get through a panic attack or a very stressful incident, the duration of each ought to be somewhat irrelevant, in that once the crisis is over, you'd like to return to baseline...that said, valium will last about twice as long in prn dosing than ativan, and is actually a ``heavier''drug in that there is usually some accompanying physical slowing. i would anticipate a couple of hours for ativan and double that of valium, and this is on the assumption that you would take perhaps 1 mg ativan or 5 mg valium.....all the best, chemist
Posted by TDog on June 23, 2004, at 18:25:46
In reply to Re: Valium vs Librium » TDog, posted by chemist on June 23, 2004, at 17:58:15
> > chemist, when u said:
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> > "ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium for prn dosing, however, the anxiolytic effect lasts longer."
> >
> > how much longer is the anxiolytic effect of ativan vs valium?
> > and how long is the anxiolytic effect or valium?
>
> hi there...all of this is in the context of prn dosing, not chronic...ativan's onset is quicker but the duration of anxiolytic effects are shorter than valium...given that the goal here is to have a few doses of a med handy to get through a panic attack or a very stressful incident, the duration of each ought to be somewhat irrelevant, in that once the crisis is over, you'd like to return to baseline...that said, valium will last about twice as long in prn dosing than ativan, and is actually a ``heavier''drug in that there is usually some accompanying physical slowing. i would anticipate a couple of hours for ativan and double that of valium, and this is on the assumption that you would take perhaps 1 mg ativan or 5 mg valium.....all the best, chemist
>hey chemist. i think u got some things confused. first u said "that ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium. but the anxiolytic effect lasts longer."
but then u said tha total opposite on your next posting. u started by saying that ativan's onset is quicker and so on.
please re-read both your posts if you have time. u will see the contradictions u made. let me know which is right and which is wrong. no hurry. thanks bud . -TDog
Posted by chemist on June 23, 2004, at 18:33:17
In reply to Re: Valium vs Librium, posted by TDog on June 23, 2004, at 18:25:46
oops, you're right. these posts are incorrect. here's the deal: in prn dosing, valium's onset of action is quicker than that of ativan, BUT the anxiolytic effects of ativan will be longer than those of valium. got it all backwards....i apologize....all the best, chemist
> > > chemist, when u said:
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> > > "ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium for prn dosing, however, the anxiolytic effect lasts longer."
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> > > how much longer is the anxiolytic effect of ativan vs valium?
> > > and how long is the anxiolytic effect or valium?
> >
> > hi there...all of this is in the context of prn dosing, not chronic...ativan's onset is quicker but the duration of anxiolytic effects are shorter than valium...given that the goal here is to have a few doses of a med handy to get through a panic attack or a very stressful incident, the duration of each ought to be somewhat irrelevant, in that once the crisis is over, you'd like to return to baseline...that said, valium will last about twice as long in prn dosing than ativan, and is actually a ``heavier''drug in that there is usually some accompanying physical slowing. i would anticipate a couple of hours for ativan and double that of valium, and this is on the assumption that you would take perhaps 1 mg ativan or 5 mg valium.....all the best, chemist
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> hey chemist. i think u got some things confused. first u said "that ativan's onset of action is slower than that of valium. but the anxiolytic effect lasts longer."
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> but then u said tha total opposite on your next posting. u started by saying that ativan's onset is quicker and so on.
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> please re-read both your posts if you have time. u will see the contradictions u made. let me know which is right and which is wrong. no hurry. thanks bud . -TDog
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