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Posted by Linda on October 13, 1999, at 11:27:17
Hi,
I am going to be going on parnate for Social phobia. I was on nardil 3 years but gained about 45 lbs so that is why I am switching.I have been off everything for a year. Does anyone have experience going from Nardil to Parnate??? Nardil was very effective for me except for the weight. If someone has good experiences on one MAOI do you think respose to another will be good?? I have read where people say a med became toxic for them...what does this mean exactly??Thanks,
Linda
Posted by anita on October 13, 1999, at 22:33:47
In reply to Nardil to parnate, posted by Linda on October 13, 1999, at 11:27:17
Hi Linda,
I went from Nardil to Parnate about a year ago. I was on Nardil for about 3 yrs but stopped due to side effects including huge weight gain too. Unfortunately Parnate didn't work half as well for depression or social phobia for me, but of course YMMV. I think it's definitely worth a try if Nardil's been good.
Also, Marplan, an MAOI more like Nardil, is available now in the US, but it may cause significant weight gain too. Parnate made me hyper and tired at the same time, while Nardil seemed to relax me. I myself got toxic on Parnate, but that was because I was taking a large amount of it (80mg). Just means that too much of it built up in my system and made me physically ill (like a bad flu) and a little psychotic. As long as you take a normal dose of Parnate, I wouldn't worry about toxicity, especially if you've never gotten toxic on anything before.
I now take amisulpride, which helps for social phobia, in that I want to go out and do things and be around my friends.good luck,
anita
> Hi,
> I am going to be going on parnate for Social phobia. I was on nardil 3 years but gained about 45 lbs so that is why I am switching.I have been off everything for a year. Does anyone have experience going from Nardil to Parnate??? Nardil was very effective for me except for the weight. If someone has good experiences on one MAOI do you think respose to another will be good?? I have read where people say a med became toxic for them...what does this mean exactly??
>
> Thanks,
> Linda
Posted by Elizabeth on October 14, 1999, at 1:18:27
In reply to Re: Nardil to parnate, posted by anita on October 13, 1999, at 22:33:47
I second that. I took Nardil, gained lots of weight, then tried Parnate and it worked too. Parnate doesn't cause weight gain at all, as far as I'm aware (couldn't find any reports of it in the literature).
I find Parnate to be as good as Nardil for depression, though perhaps not as good for anxiety. (I don't have social phobia, though.) I think that most people who respond to one will also respond to the other.
Best of luck to you.
Posted by Linda on October 14, 1999, at 22:20:58
In reply to Re: Nardil to parnate, posted by anita on October 13, 1999, at 22:33:47
> Hi Linda,
>
> I went from Nardil to Parnate about a year ago. I was on Nardil for about 3 yrs but stopped due to side effects including huge weight gain too. Unfortunately Parnate didn't work half as well for depression or social phobia for me, but of course YMMV. I think it's definitely worth a try if Nardil's been good.
> Also, Marplan, an MAOI more like Nardil, is available now in the US, but it may cause significant weight gain too. Parnate made me hyper and tired at the same time, while Nardil seemed to relax me. I myself got toxic on Parnate, but that was because I was taking a large amount of it (80mg). Just means that too much of it built up in my system and made me physically ill (like a bad flu) and a little psychotic. As long as you take a normal dose of Parnate, I wouldn't worry about toxicity, especially if you've never gotten toxic on anything before.
> I now take amisulpride, which helps for social phobia, in that I want to go out and do things and be around my friends.
>
> good luck,
> anita
>
Anita,
I also have panic disorder. Are you strictly Social phobic if you don't mind me asking?? I am really in hopes parnate will work for me but am worried that it won't be "calming" enough with the panic disorder. Nardil had a calming effect for me.It worries me about you saying you had psychosis with parnate...whaT does that mean exactly??Have you had that before?? I was on 90mgs of nardil.What was your dosage?? I think that is an above average dose for nardil (90mgs).Hope I would not have to go to a high dose of parnate because of your experience on higher doses.
I don't really experience much depression, mainly
anxiety and Social anxiety.What is this new med you are now taking?? I have never heard of it before.....
Thanks,
Linda
Posted by anita on October 15, 1999, at 18:01:39
In reply to Re: Nardil to parnate, posted by Linda on October 14, 1999, at 22:20:58
Hi,
I don't have panic disorder, tho I've had a few mild panic attacks over the years. I've heard conflicting things about Parnate for panic -- it may make you anxious especially at first, but in the long run it's been shown to be good for it. Seems to be a coin toss: Marplan should be relatively calming, tho there's a significant chance it'll cause weight gain again, and Parnate could very likely cause higher anxiety.
Have you tried Paxil or Neurontin for social phobia? They could help. My personal pet theory is that social phobia can be helped by an SSRI + a dopamine-increasing med (which is in effect like MAOIs), but that's just my experience. I don't know much about panic disorder specifically.
The med I'm on is only available overseas. While it's good for social phobia, it does seem to increase my anxiety. It's a dopamine reuptake inhibitor.
Seriously, DO NOT let my toxic reaction to Parnate influence your decision. It's very rare. My "psychosis" on Parnate didn't involve acting crazy or hallucinations. It was weird, and would take forever to explain. I never had any signs of it before. I was on 90mg of Nardil with no problems in that area.
cheers,
anita
> Anita,
> I also have panic disorder. Are you strictly Social phobic if you don't mind me asking?? I am really in hopes parnate will work for me but am worried that it won't be "calming" enough with the panic disorder. Nardil had a calming effect for me.It worries me about you saying you had psychosis with parnate...whaT does that mean exactly??Have you had that before?? I was on 90mgs of nardil.What was your dosage?? I think that is an above average dose for nardil (90mgs).Hope I would not have to go to a high dose of parnate because of your experience on higher doses.
> I don't really experience much depression, mainly
> anxiety and Social anxiety.What is this new med you are now taking?? I have never heard of it before.....
> Thanks,
> Linda
Posted by Elizabeth on October 15, 1999, at 20:36:50
In reply to Re: Nardil to parnate, posted by anita on October 15, 1999, at 18:01:39
> I don't have panic disorder, tho I've had a few mild panic attacks over the years. I've heard conflicting things about Parnate for panic -- it may make you anxious especially at first, but in the long run it's been shown to be good for it.
I have panic disorder (without agoraphobia). Parnate does work. Start at a low dose, increase slowly (good rule for anyone taking antidepressants for panic disorder).
90mg is a high-end dose of Nardil, but Nardil and Parnate are not equipotent. 90mg of Parnate is a pretty huge dose. (I take 30, which is sort of a basic effective dose -- about equivalent to 45 or 60 of Nardil.)
> Have you tried Paxil or Neurontin for social phobia? They could help. My personal pet theory is that social phobia can be helped by an SSRI + a dopamine-increasing med (which is in effect like MAOIs)
...in theory .
>but that's just my experience. I don't know much about panic disorder specifically.
It doesn't share med responses with SP exactly.
> The med I'm on is only available overseas. While it's good for social phobia, it does seem to increase my anxiety. It's a dopamine reuptake inhibitor.
Is it? That's interesting. How are you getting it?
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