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Posted by SandyWeb on May 1, 2004, at 18:05:37
In reply to Re: I'm Finally Up *trigger* » SandyWeb, posted by tabitha on May 1, 2004, at 11:00:14
Hi Tabitha,
>I got the lovely charcoal, and the tube up the nose, the whole traumatic ER deal. I don't really remember them asking my permission for any of it.>
Well, they don't ask permission. Lol. They pretty much tell you to do it. But as long as you are competent, you can refuse any medical advice.
>I didn't even get a psych consult. I just talked to a nurse and a volunteer and very briefly to a doctor, who just insisted I let them contact my parents. As if my parents would fix it-- ha! I was 21 or 22.>My psych consult consisted of a psych nurse and then a psych resident. I never got to see a pdoc at all. And I'm almost 40 years old, and the cops contacted my parents too!! Can you believe it? It irritated me, and STILL makes me very angry....they even read my "good bye" email to them! I feel like they crossed the line there.
>During my wild night, I had not only swallowed lots of pills and alcohol, but had broken into a house of a boy I was brokenhearted over and did a little vandalizing.>
I am STILL remembering things that happened! I went to a lot more places and did a lot more things than I previously remembered. I was a lot more messed up than I thought! I wonder what things I'll never remember??
>I had a referral to a counselor but I was so embarrassed I just wanted to pretend it never happened. My story was 'I was just drunk and upset over a boy'. The truth was I had deep depression since my teens, and was barely hanging on.>
I don't think that I'm embarrassed. I'm just used to relying on myself....I've learned not to open up too much to people in order to survive. So I'm still trying to rely only on myself, and I'm finding it a really tough struggle this time. But I'm still stuck in the "self-preservation" mindset of not opening to someone. SO I guess I show signs of reaching out for help, but then when help comes.....I won't accept it, and actually run from it. I just feel that if I expose too much of myself, then I've left myself too vulnerable. Kind-of a vicious cycle, huh?
>I didn't really get any mental health care for another 5 years or so.>
I'm so sorry that you had to go through 5 years of living like that. What a tough girl you are! Really, it takes a heck of a lot of strength to survive on your own for that long, huh. I can't imagine. I'm glad you're still with us.
>I'm not sure exactly what I'm trying to say.. just that when I hear your story, I wish I could say something to prod you in the direction of rebuilding your life, and get help integrating the experience you've had.>
Oh, don't worry about it. It's not your problem. I appreciate the good thoughts! I'm realizing more and more how HARD of a struggle this is going to be. It seems that now that I've come closer to actually finishing it, the urgency is even stronger. Ugh. But I'm still here and I've got things to take care of. I just find it difficult fighting MYSELF, you know? It makes me anxious. BUT....I'm still here. I'm learning from my experiences, and I'm still trying to get through this myself. Thanks. *smile*
>The fact that you're here posting about it tells me you're much further along in helping yourself than I was after my attempt.>
I don't quite understand that statement, but I'll take it as a positive. I think I post because it's a way to get some things out of my system. I don't really know why I do it. But only bits and pieces. Lol. You wouldn't want to know how messed up my brain really is!! Ha!
Thanks for sharing YOUR story. It's good to know that with attempts there are also success storys of survival.
Take care.
Sandy
Posted by tabitha on May 2, 2004, at 0:55:30
In reply to Re: I'm Finally Up *trigger* » tabitha, posted by SandyWeb on May 1, 2004, at 18:05:37
> >The fact that you're here posting about it tells me you're much further along in helping yourself than I was after my attempt.>
>
> I don't quite understand that statement, but I'll take it as a positive.Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? I just meant I wasn't anywhere near being able to talk about what happened or how I felt. I was so desperate to hide my 'bad behavior' and keep up appearances. I did mean it as a positive-- it's good you're talking about things. That takes guts.
Posted by jlynne on May 2, 2004, at 2:24:56
In reply to Re: I'm Finally Up *trigger* » tabitha, posted by SandyWeb on May 1, 2004, at 18:05:37
Sandy, I just sent this song link to mystic on the other thread because she is needing comfort, and I thought you might like it, too. My arms are open wide, and I feel like I am holding you both tonite. I hope you can feel my love as you listen to this lullaby.
http://www.contemplator.com/ireland/irishlul.html
((((HUGS)))) ((((Sandy)))) ((((lullabies)))) ((((soft strokes))))
...jlynne
Posted by jlynne on May 3, 2004, at 12:46:23
In reply to Sandy, posted by jlynne on May 2, 2004, at 2:24:56
Hey, Sandy . . . hope you are doing okay.
I had a pretty busy weekend, but the routine is settling back in now. I am at work, but taking a break.
I watched a good movie on Friday night - have you seen "Mona Lisa Smile"? I highly recommend it . . .to women, anyway - and any enlighted man:~)
Have a good day, sweetie. You are always in my prayers, and I think of you often.
((((HUGS)))) ((((good days)))) ((((good friends))))
...jlynne
Posted by jlynne on May 3, 2004, at 12:57:41
In reply to Sandy, posted by jlynne on May 3, 2004, at 12:46:23
>> and any enlighted man:~)<<
. . . well, I was going to correct my spelling, but I kind of like it like that . . . I have created a **new word** :~) "enlighted" . . . yeah, I like it:~)
((((hugs, again))))
...jlynne
Posted by LynneDa on May 3, 2004, at 13:18:51
In reply to I'm Finally Up, posted by SandyWeb on May 1, 2004, at 9:03:32
Hi Sandy - Glad you got through the weekend okay. I can't believe all you went through. I am so glad you stumbled your way back out :-) !!!! Isn't it amazing how, in the midst of a terrible personal crisis, thinking about paying the rent and getting your paperwork filled out brought you back. The instinct to take care of our families is pretty darn strong.
Sandy, you really have a good attitude considering what your brain chemicals are trying to do to you :-). You've given so much to your community, your kids, other people, etc., you deserve to get something back. Everyone has their times of need & this is yours. You say you're trying to get your head around your situation and come up with a solution. Can we brainstorm with you? Maybe if you go into babble open some evening, you'd be able to go over some possibilities with jlynne & others? I don't go on-line at home, so I'm only available during the day, but I'd love to run through some possible scenarios with you.
I'm thinking about you & praying that you'll figure something out. I know this is hard, like you said, harder than you thought it would be. I know I still have days where I just feel lucky to get from point A to point B without losing it!
Please keep that Mobile Crisis number handy. Just like the nurse at the hospital said, if they can get through to one person & help them out of their bad spot, it makes their job worth it.
SANDY: YOU ARE WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!! Don't let your depression trick you into thinking otherwise!
~ Lynne
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Posted by SandyWeb on May 4, 2004, at 22:23:44
In reply to Re: I'm Finally Up » SandyWeb, posted by LynneDa on May 3, 2004, at 13:18:51
Hi guys,
Haven;t written in a few days. Just passing one minute at a time.
Listening to Norah Jones now. Like her? Proabably shouldn't listen to music.
I'm finding it extemely hard to fight myself. But I'm still here. Who'd a thunk?? Odd condition in my life. Have fought for so long....knowing that we would get to something better. But now....where's the better? All gone. Bye bye. Poof. Can't seem to see past the debris.
All I see now is what was....all the bad that passed before. Because now tere is no path to the better. And the past is rather overwhelming....when there's nothig to see in front.
Blah blah balh. Just ramblin, night and day.
I was always weak. Let people walk (and trample) all over me. But...there was always that spark of "we can make it to tomorrow..to something better." Wrong. Ha! Tomorrow has vome and gone...and the better has left me in its wake. It just was an illusion. I thought I was more thanI was.
Some cops saw it, some didn't. Some nurses saw it, some didm't. Not much to save here.
You know, I'm NOT depressed. Isn't that odd? But I'm not. I've been depresed before...I know what that is like. But ths is different. I'm not in a black hole, sinking deeper and deepere. I'm actually okay. But it's weird. And maybe that's whay they don't hospitalize me....because I'm say I'm not depressed. But I'm not. I'm just messed up. One minute I'm suicidal, the next I'm just existing. ANf on and on. I don't know what this is.
And I'm mad! My parents knows now. I'm MAD. This is a priovate matter, and the police had no RIGHT to let them in on it. If I die, so be it. But before that time, this is PRIVATE. And now I don't want naything to do with my parents. I can't DEAL with people (family!) wanting to help me. It sickens me. I rely on myself....period! And the more they involve mt family, the more I get mad and turn further away! CUT IT OUT!!!!
I don't know what's going to happen with me. Never thought this! Psycho-Sandra. And you know what? I can't even apply to volunteer due to security checks....guess what they'll find? Calls to my place for "suicide attempt". Yup. Saw the print-out. And it'll be listed until the day I die. I'm screwed.
Music stopped. Time to put on something differnet.
Anyone up tongith??
Sandra
(sorry to be such a bummer....but I'm just a dumber bummer! Ha)
Posted by jlynne on May 5, 2004, at 2:42:33
In reply to Still Here, posted by SandyWeb on May 4, 2004, at 22:23:44
Sandy, it was good to talk with you in open tonight; I hope you join us again.
I know you don't want to hear this, but I want to remind you of what I have said a couple times before - - I had help, sweetie. I had meds, I had a therapist, and I had my sister. I wouldn't have made it without them. They told me it was possible to get better, and I hung onto that.
Nothing at all made sense to me back then, and I couldn't see past what was happening to me . . . but they could see, and they kept me grounded. I also read magazine articles written by other people who had been through it and got better; that gave me hope.
If you can get the courage, or whatever it is that you need, to reach out and ask for help, it would be so good for you, love. You are feeling very disconnected right now, and it would help to "connect" with someone who can show you how to slow down your thoughts and get control of them again. It is almost impossible to reason rationally when you are in this state of mind, and having someone bouncing things back at you might be very helpful.
Good night, sweetie. I hope you sleep and get some rest.
((((HUGS)))) ((((soft strokes)))) ((((Sandy))))
...jlynne
Posted by SandyWeb on May 5, 2004, at 5:27:00
In reply to Re: Still Here » SandyWeb, posted by jlynne on May 5, 2004, at 2:42:33
Hi Jlynne,
I'm fine today. Sorry about last night.
Sandy
Posted by Zena on May 5, 2004, at 10:02:36
In reply to Re: Still Here » jlynne, posted by SandyWeb on May 5, 2004, at 5:27:00
> Hi Jlynne,
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> I'm fine today. Sorry about last night.
>
> Sandy
>Sandy,
It was good talking to you last night. I hope you continue to come over to chat. That's where you can get it off your shoulders. We all have been where your at right now. We are concerened because we care.
Zena
Posted by SandyWeb on May 5, 2004, at 11:22:31
In reply to Re: Still Here, posted by Zena on May 5, 2004, at 10:02:36
Hi girls,
I truly am sorry about last night. Normally, I would have loved being the chat room with you. I think there would have been a lot of laughing!! You guys are as wacky as me! Ha! But I just couldn't seem to get into the giggly mood. I am what is known as a "party pooper". LOL!!
Yes, I was taking a drink and taking a pill last night. I think I was more buzzed from the alcohol than anything else. But then you start to lose count of how many pills/drinks you've had. But since I wasn't hallucinating, I'm assuming I didn't take as many pills as the day they took me to the hospital. And I feel fine today.
This is a very difficult struggle. It's a whole different matter when you're fighting yourself, isn't it? Why does my own brain want to turn against me....telling me to just shut itself off and go away. And some days it's all I can do to stay here.
I try to distract myself. I don't really have the desire or concentration to read, but I've been forcing myself to read books lately. I get this horrible energy in my body, wanting to get it all over with right now, so I need to TRY and ignore that. So I read, I watch movies, I sleep. And I've also been taking pills during the day to try and relieve some of that tension in my body. I'm still here, so I must be doing something right. But honestly, I don't know how much longer I can fight myself. It just seems inevitable that I'll attempt again at some point. And I'm learning from my mistakes, so that's probably not a good thing. *smile*
Here I am rambling again. Sorry for being such a pest.
I'm going to read my newspapers, drink my coffee, and then clean up the kitchen. I may take a walk later today....but not THAT walk. Lol. It just looks rather nice outside for a change. We have some sun. Yippee!
Thanks for accepting me last night, girls. One day I'll get into that silly mood of yours!! *big hug*
Sandy
Posted by jlynne on May 6, 2004, at 1:14:12
In reply to Last Night, posted by SandyWeb on May 5, 2004, at 11:22:31
One day I'll get into that silly mood of yours!! *big hug*
>Hey, Sandy . . . I look forward to your "silly mood". I have seen your sense of humor in some of your previous posts (*smile*). You will be a welcome addition to our frivolity!
I'm sorry I missed you tonight; I worked late, and I had to drive to the next town north of me (10 miles away) to pick up my new glasses after work; then the grocery store for a few odds/ends. Long day . . .
I hope you get a good night's sleep tonight. I will say a prayer for you.
((((HUGS)))) ((((rest)))) ((((soft strokes)))) ((((peace))))
...jlynne
Posted by LynneDa on May 6, 2004, at 9:32:32
In reply to Last Night, posted by SandyWeb on May 5, 2004, at 11:22:31
Hi Sandy,
It's Thursday. How are you doing? It's going to be hot here - maybe near 90!Sandy, what kind of pills do you take? If you're okay with taking pills, have you tried some natural stuff like htp or samE? It might help.
I know you want to do this on your own and you are totally repulsed by the idea that your family knows your troubles and you don't want their help. I understand that. There are certain things in my life that I just totally abhor, as illogical as it may seem to others.
Sooooo.... where does that leave you? Did you get your paperwork filled out? Here's a tough question and you don't have to answer. What happened with nursing school? Was it your mental state that didn't allow you to finish? Do you not feel stable enough to work? Just tell me to butt out if you want. But, everybody needs help, coaching and even pushing at certain times of their lives. Maybe this is one of those times for you.
My brain doesn't always run on both rails, that's for sure, but I think we can come up with some sort of plan for you if we all put our heads together!
I know what you mean about being so down you don't feel depressed. That is called nothingness and it is almost more scary than the pain of being in the black hole. I feel for you sweetie!
Please keep putting one foot in front of another. You will get through this. You do deserve to have people help you a bit.
YOU ARE WORTH IT!!!!!!!!
~ Lynne
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Posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 11:31:41
In reply to Re: Last Night » SandyWeb, posted by LynneDa on May 6, 2004, at 9:32:32
Hi Lynne,
I'm not sure how much I want to talk on this board anymore, for two reasons. Dr. Bob is the main reason (lol!!), and the second is that I'm scared that my family may monitor my messages now. I feel like my life has been invaded enough as it is, and I really don't want people to know more than I'm willing to tell them, you know?
>Sandy, what kind of pills do you take? If you're okay with taking pills, have you tried some natural stuff like htp or samE? It might help.<
I just take whatever prescription meds I can find laying around. Lol! It doesn't really matter anymore what pills they are.
> Sooooo.... where does that leave you? Did you get your paperwork filled out?<No, I can't seem to get the energy to fill out the paperwork. And it's due at the latest next week. *sigh* I'm just going to let it slide, I guess. I don't know why I'm doing this to myself, but it just takes too much energy to even THINK about appealing.
>Here's a tough question and you don't have to answer. What happened with nursing school? Was it your mental state that didn't allow you to finish? Do you not feel stable enough to work?<
I never heard back from the University, so I don't know if I was granted the Leave of Absence. If I wasn't granted it, then I would have received a full term of F grades. Ugh. If it was granted, then the courses would be marked with ILL (which doesn't count towards your GPA). I guess I got lost in the paperwork since I haven't heard boo. And, yes, it was my mental state that caused me to drop out for a bit. I guess too much was bottled up for too long. And by missing too much time, I screwed myself in terms of student loans. So that compounded with my wacked-out feelings. Stable enough to work??? You're as crazy as me! Lol! No, I wouldn't even be able to volunteer right now, if you must know. I'm absolutely not on the steady road yet.
> I know what you mean about being so down you don't feel depressed. That is called nothingness and it is almost more scary than the pain of being in the black hole.<
But I don't feel down. And I'm not depressed. I'm just....existing, I guess. I just want to turn off. I want it to go black for awhile. But I'm not sad, depressed, angry......I'm just....here.
>Please keep putting one foot in front of another. You will get through this.<
One moment at a time, right? Can't say that I *will* get through it, though. At some times I am sooooo close to walking away, and other times I'm just too tired to do anything about it. Today has been difficult. I've been fighting with myself all day not to take a trek to the woods again. I don't think I like the idea of Mother's Day coming up. But I'm still here. And right at this split second in time, I'm not fighting to keep myself here. In fact, it's time to grab a book and distract myself again. But it gets really exhausting having to distract myself all the time. I would like for things to get back to normal.
>YOU ARE WORTH IT!!!!!!!!<Ha ha. That's a good one. I'm not WORTH it, but I guess there's an obligation due to the fact that I'm here. People go to such lengths to save another person. I've been noticing that. But the person being saved may not agree with their rescuer.
Okay, time to read a book. I have a pain in my side which makes me feel like throwing up. Lovely PMS, huh? And I think I broke my thumb when I was in the woods the other night. It's practically useless now, and REALLY REALLY hurts. So if I focus on those two pains, maybe I'll forget about taking a walk.I'm trying, you know? But it almost seems pointless. I really don't like this. It feels stronger than me.
And that is my cheerful note of the day! Lol. Maybe I'll visit Open tonight....see if anyone's around.
Take care. You've been wonderful to me!!!
Sandy
Posted by LynneDa on May 6, 2004, at 11:41:32
In reply to Re: Last Night » LynneDa, posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 11:31:41
Sandy - Thanks for sharing. Keep distracting yourself! Maybe you should splint your thumb with a popsicle stick or something? And just forget about Mother's Day if you want! I can understand how that might make you feel right now :-).
We care because you are a wonderful human who is worth caring about, #1. We also care because we know where you are. I do know what you mean by just existing. It's the nothing/numbness feeling.
Here's the deal. If you don't want to post, you are really welcome to call me. I can find out about nursing school for you, explain things and see about your grades. I KNOW you don't want to think about the future. But, you will have one and you will eventually care.
It's okay to be tired of it all sweetie! I understand that. Please remember one thing: it is your disease, chemicals, mental state - whatever you want to call it - that is telling you that you're worthless, that is draining your energy, etc.
Go to open tonight, keep communicating as much as you have the energy to do. Right now it's your best defense. Please call me if you want. I really don't mind! 1-800-222-8215 x9507.
~ Lynne
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Posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 11:46:36
In reply to Re: Last Night » LynneDa, posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 11:31:41
Oops, just a thought about this statement I made:
>I've been fighting with myself all day not to take a trek to the woods again. I don't think I like the idea of Mother's Day coming up. But I'm still here. And right at this split second in time, I'm not fighting to keep myself here.<
I do not have PLANS for Mother's Day. *smile* This was not a statement to jump on. I think I'd blow my cool if the cops ever showed back up at my door again. I just meant that Mother's Day bothers me this year......but not *suicidally* bothering me. Don't make decisions based on past history, please.
Sandra
Posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 11:51:20
In reply to Re: Last Night » SandyWeb, posted by LynneDa on May 6, 2004, at 11:41:32
>Maybe you should splint your thumb with a popsicle stick or something?<
Actually, I can't straighten it out so I wouldn't be able to splint it. Lol. Guess I'll have a bent, crooked thumb now. How sexy!!!
Take care, hun!
Sandy
Posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 13:05:41
In reply to Re: Last Night » LynneDa, posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 11:51:20
Just a short time ago, there was a knock on my door.
I thought it was the cops....again.
Freaked myself right out! Lol!!
They left, I changed my clothes so that I could bolt.
Opened the door.....
And it was a Fed-Ex box sitting outside my door.
Ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about a RELIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr. Bob, you've turned me into a paranoid!! LOL!!
I just couldn't believe that you would have sent the cops again. I was freaking out!!! *big releaved smile*
Phew!
Well, that took 10 years off of my life. Giggle.
Hugs,
Sandy
Posted by LynneDa on May 6, 2004, at 13:25:18
In reply to FREAKED ME OUT!!, posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 13:05:41
Well that's a relief. . . what'd you get, anything good?
~ Lynne
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> I thought it was the cops....again.
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> Freaked myself right out! Lol!!
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> They left, I changed my clothes so that I could bolt.
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> Opened the door.....
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> And it was a Fed-Ex box sitting outside my door.
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> Ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> Talk about a RELIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> Dr. Bob, you've turned me into a paranoid!! LOL!!
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> I just couldn't believe that you would have sent the cops again. I was freaking out!!! *big releaved smile*
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> Phew!
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> Well, that took 10 years off of my life. Giggle.
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> Hugs,
> Sandy
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Posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 13:30:16
In reply to Re: FREAKED ME OUT!! » SandyWeb, posted by LynneDa on May 6, 2004, at 13:25:18
> Well that's a relief. . . what'd you get, anything good?<
Lynne,
I haven't had a good giggle like that in awhile! Can you see me bolting from the cops?? HA!!! It was just such a relief that I can't stop giggling. Hee hee!!
As for the Fed-Ex box, naw.....nothing good. Just supplies.
I wonder how far I would have gotten before I tripped over my own feet?? HA!! Or ran smack into a wall!!!
Have fun!
Sandy
Posted by LynneDa on May 6, 2004, at 14:30:49
In reply to Re: FREAKED ME OUT!! » LynneDa, posted by SandyWeb on May 6, 2004, at 13:30:16
Too funny! It's amazing how you can become conditioned like that! I was in a fender bender this past weekend (my fault) and now I jump every time I get near another car, I stop way in advance. Sort of the same principle!
We have a band concert tonight & soccer practice plus homework. Are your kids pretty self-sufficient? Mine are getting there (2nd, 3rd & 6th grades).
Hope you have a peaceful afternoon & evening. Don't let your "demons" get to you - they're not you, you know! Take deep breaths or clean ... I find those 2 things work wonders :-)
~ Lynne
Posted by SandyWeb on May 7, 2004, at 6:59:32
In reply to Re: FREAKED ME OUT!! » SandyWeb, posted by LynneDa on May 6, 2004, at 14:30:49
Hey all,
I'm feeling better now. Yeah! It's good to have some time left with you! *smile*
But what an odd night I had last night. I would wake up, and be totally confused as to where I was. I would look around the room, and try to figure out the layout of the apartment. I couldn't seem to get it right. Different times through the night this would happen, and it was a little disconcerting. It felt like I didn't know where I was, and I just couldn't figure out how the hallway looked, where the door went, etc. ODD!!
Then I kept waking up from the beginnings of nightmares. Never quite made it to a nightmare, though....just the scared feeling. Odd again!
And then this morning.....the best yet!! Lol! I thought it was Saturday rather than Friday!!!! I didn't get the kids up for school!! My radio alarm went off, and I was so surprised that The Breakfast Club gang had a program on Saturday....I thought they just did it on the weekdays! I looked out the window earlier in the morning to see what the weekend would look like. Then, around 8am, my daughter comes to me and asks why I didn't get her up. Well, because it's Saturday! Duh!
I may be feeling better, but I also think my brain is being taken over by another! Ha! What the heck is this all about? And I still feel all confused and weird today. Must have done a bad drug last night or something!! Ha ha!!!
Anyways, that's the beginning of my day. And how is yours?
Hugs,
Sandy
Posted by susielalala on May 7, 2004, at 17:47:13
In reply to Odd Night, posted by SandyWeb on May 7, 2004, at 6:59:32
Can I ask you a question please? What meds are you on ?
Posted by SandyWeb on May 7, 2004, at 20:01:20
In reply to Re: Odd Night, posted by susielalala on May 7, 2004, at 17:47:13
> Can I ask you a question please? What meds are you on ?<
I haven't been on anything for about a month now. This is me au naturale! *smile* But I sure feel like my brain is fried!
Sandy
Posted by SandyWeb on May 9, 2004, at 0:19:25
In reply to Re: Odd Night » susielalala, posted by SandyWeb on May 7, 2004, at 20:01:20
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