Posted by alexandra_k on September 15, 2005, at 17:24:53
In reply to Re: Adam Eve gained knowledge, but it turned » alexandra_k, posted by Gabbix2 on September 15, 2005, at 1:31:32
> > :-)
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> > So being able to have done otherwise is not necessary for free will.
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> Of course it's necessary. Your actions are only being known, not planned, and not controlled.
> Why could you not choose what you want to do, and still have a God know what you chose?If god knows everything that is going to happen...
Then it means that the future must be fixed.
It is already fixed what will and will not happen...
And god knows these facts.
If knowledge of the future is possible...
Then it means the facts are already fixed...
And if the facts are already fixed...
Then it is not possible for us to act differently
From the way the future is fixed to be(I'm happy to leave it open whether god actually fixes those facts or whether he just has knowledge of the facts that are fixed by other factors)
> I don't see the connection between knowing what someone will do in a situation, and your knowing being the cause of it.
I don't see a connection there either.
>I had a cat that came running every time it heard a can opener. I knew he would do it.. but he certainly could have decided not to.
Knowledge...
Is a tricky notion.
Most philosophers agree that (propositional) knowledge is true belief plus some kind of justification condition.What that means...
If you know that your cat is going to come running
Then it must be true that your cat is going to come running.
(If you say you know this is going to happen but it doesn't happen then it turns out you didn't know it was going to happen after all)
You must also believe your cat is going to come running...
And you must also have good reason to believe your cat is going to come running
(Which rules out 'knowledge' by accident. You might say you know you are going to win lotto but if your only reason is that you brought a ticket then this belief doesn't count as knowledge because the justification isn't strong enough. It might turn out to be a true belief - but we still wouldn't want to say you knew you were going to win beforehand. If your reason was that you had good information that it was going to be rigged your way then that might be enough justification for you to know you were going to win beforehand).
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