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Re: Supplements for brain fog » Larry Hoover

Posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 15:22:08

In reply to Re: Supplements for brain fog » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:00:29

> Dear Desperate in LA,
>
> > This long, long post has come full circle now (back to the original topic) and is still going strong. I wonder if it's one of the longest ever on Psycho-Babble. I think there should be prizes for such an accomplishment. (How about it, Dr. Bob?)
>
> Not even close, Kara.

Oh well, it was worth a try!

>
> > Please, Don Pardo, tell us what we've won!
>
> Free advice! May be worht what you pay for it!


So far it's been worth much more than that!!!

> > But seriously now, I am struggling here to get the motivation and the focus to work on a spreadsheet for my temp job. I'm embarrassed that it's taking so long but I'm having the hardest time doing it.
>
> Too busy on the Internet?

That's definitely part of it.

> > I need to get more functional and fast!! I need to start treating the brain fog and the adrenal fatigue quickly. (There are some questions coming, I promise.) I've been reading that book on adrenal fatigue, the article Larry recommended on it, lots of posts etc. on treatment of depression, a Dr. Pall article on supplements for mental conditions and I've come up with a list of supplements and meds. The adrenal fatigue sources advise lots of supplements. I'm overwhelmed by the list and I can't afford to take all of them anyway. I need to select some and devise a program for myself.


> > You can't just start taking handfuls of stuff, blindly. Even Pall had a dosing schedule, that added stuff over time. I gotta find those private emails....

I know - It's just that there were so many things that were recommended and I wanted to figure out, which would be the most likely to help me given limited resources. Unfortunately I'm trying to find answers to depression, adrenal fatigue and concentration problems all at once so what I'm asking for is fairly unreasonable. But then you're "Hoover, Larry Hoover."

BTW, the Pall article i read was more geared towards Alzheimers but definitely some overlap for my purposes. When you corresponded with him was it specifically about adrenal fatigue?

> > Larry, if you were in my situation and you had limited funds, which of the following would you choose to take for motivation, focus and adrenal fatigue?
> >
> > Ginkgo (yes)
> > SJW (Jarrow formula - no more Perika) (if depressed too)
> > selegiline (don't know. probbly. metabolizes to amphetamine)

Yes it does but it's probably the best shot I have of helping my depression and the concentration problems. Horrible for adrenal fatigue though? I'd be taking it in only 5 mg. dosage and with DLPA?


> > DLPA (yes)
> > tyrosine (probbly)
> > TMG and B12 (yes, to both)
> > Enada NADH (if other stuff didn't work first)
> > green tea extract (dunno)
> > picamilon (dunno....probbly sedating)

It's supposed to be energizing in larger doses but I haven't tried it that way yet.

> > Coenzyme Q10 (yes)
> > ALA (alphalipoic acid? definitely)
> > NAC (not sure...forget)

Neuroprotective. Good to take with selegiline for the amphetamine metabolites even though selegiline is also neuroprotective.

> > DMAE (dunno)
> > ALC (if it's cheap)
> > phosphatydlserine (probbly sedating, might help with tension)

I think it was in the adrenal fatigue article you recommended to me to take 800 mg. of this per day. That would be about one month's income for me. I can't even begin to imagine ... I just wonder if it's worth taking it at all. Are you familiar with the controversy over it's effectiveness now that it is made from soy rather than derived from cows? Supposedly the chemical structure is not the same as it was. Dr. Sahelian thinks it's effectiveness now is questionable and he says it's not worth the expense for something that may not be doing anything for you. What do you think?


> > piracetam or pramiracetam (dunno)
> > hydergine (dunno)
> > centrophenoxine (really dunno)

Have you tried any of these so-called "smart drugs"?


> > digestive enzymes (yes)
> > quercetin/bromelain (I know it overlaps but I
> > already have some of this at home.) (for sure, then)
> > licorice and/or other adaptogen (Licorice isn't an adaptogen. It rests the adrenals, but is only for short-term use. Adaptogens are the ginsengs, for example)

ok. I'm probably going to start on the adaptogen maca again. I also have at home Eleuthero. I could only tolerate it in samll amounts. Wonder if it's worth adding that in those small amounts. I had read somewhere that it's not good if you have hypoglycemia but then I read somewhere else that it's particularly good for hypoglycemia. ARRRGGGGHHH. I have a feeling that regular Ginseng is the one not good for hypoglycemia. So hard to know who is right when you read conflicting things like that.

I may try Ashwagandha later on after my four months on the maca but I think it's sedating rather than energizing, correct?


> > green drink (with tons of antioxidants) (sure, why not)

Maybe I'll try that for one month. It has a small amount of licorice (50 mg.) in it. Have you ever tried a green drink? Are they too disgusting tasting or what?


> > probiotics (Enzymatic Therapy pearls) (if you got 'em)
> >
> > I'm going to add exercise and and some cognitive therapy (jouraling).

> Good ideas.


That was suuposed to be "journaling". Trouble is I need some help with motivation to even do those things. Such a vicious circle!

> > It's not my thyroid. I'm on the right amount of hormone for that.
>
> Some people don't do well with synthetic thyroid hormones, despite blood work saying they should be fine. That's why some people swear by Armour.

I've done a lot of research on thryoid problems including the about.com site and Mary Shomon's books as well as several other books. I agree and I usually take Armour.


> > I've probably forgotten a bunch of things. Keep in mind that I already have at home now quite a bit of DMAE, selegiline, Jarrow SJW, NAC, tyrosine, B12, quercetin/bromelain, Enzymatic Therapy Pearls, maca and a little bit of ALC, ALA and picamilon.
>
> Well, you already invested in those, eh?

Yes, but just because they're here doesn't mean that they're good for my situation now.


> > I know that it's impossible to give me a quick answer that's going to take away all of my depression and functionality problems - but I want one nonetheless.
>
> I think I done OK.

You done good. You always do!

> Patience. You didn't get sick in one day.....
>
> Lar

I know but I do have to become functional soon. I'm running out of money. I think from your responses, though, that I'm further along in deciding a program to start with now. I have a few more things to think through. Then I'll start on it (and add on and change things as the experiment develops).

How about YOU? How are you doing? Hopefully the vacation was good for you. Have any of your tests come back yet?

- Concerned in LA


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