Posted by tealady on October 5, 2003, at 12:51:56
In reply to Re: Pain Cox2 inhibitor, posted by Larry Hoover on October 4, 2003, at 9:29:27
> I don't know what the political climate is like, in Oz, with respect to pain treatment. Up here, there are two camps.....one, the most common, where they pat you on the head, and teach you how to tune out the pain (as if), or the other, where doctors actually treat you with adequate analgesia, and put their licenses and livelihood on the line.....
>This pain clinic does both I gather as I phoned them and had a chat...they treat with homeopathic too..not that I think that will work..and morphine..but I don't want to go that way. I just want it fixed!..and that was a question too..I think it went /do you consider that you just haven't got the appropriate medical treatment and yoy'll be fixed 100% when you do...I mean hello, YES..but then that is open to misinterpretation...and I always hate how those questionnaires ask you everything 3 times over in a slightly reworded way, sigh.
> > > > has to do with
> > > > I tried nurofen(ibuprofen) once in the past 3 months or so with this pain which I thought was either sinus or migraine(mildish no vomiting etc) as the dentist said it wasn't dental..and it cleared up for a while
> > >
> > > So, why did you stop taking it?
> >
> > First time worked well, other times only took edge of pain..and it's a NSAID.. So I thought not good long term due to stomach lining problems?.leaky gut syndrome? Or is iboprofen one of the newer ones that are milder?
>
> Everybody is different, with respect to what works, and whether there's a gut problem. The newer meds, supposedly stomach friendly, have proven to not be. More wishful thinking/propaganda from the drug companies, methinks.>
> Most people do not have gut problems from NSAIDS. If you do, you stop taking them, but I wouldn't exclude them based on that risk alone.
>
> > >
> > > > So I thought I'd finally got onto something!
> > >
> > > You did, actually. But the effect is transient. There's nothing wrong with taking it every day. But, if you don't want to do that, read the first article above, for alternatives.
> >
> > Thanks
> > >
> > > > Also today I thought I'd retry the nitrates..as I had some corn beef left in freezer and I wanted to see if I could get more tingling.
> > >
> > > Why?
> > >
> > > > I did..I also got the tooth ache much worse...pain faded again after a couple of hours.
> > >
> > > Why use an irritant?
> > >
> > > > Had another helping for dinner..pain flared again.
> > >
> > > You just experimenting, or are you a closet masochist?
> >
> > hehehe gratification thru provoking a few hours of screamingly intense toothache/jaw pain...no, I must have been identifying with a lab rat again
>
> I think I'd be avoiding nitrates, myself.
Me too, lol. Do you have any ideas on why NITRATES could induce the pain?(reproducibly)..especially if it is an infection of some kind?
>
> > >
> > > > so its kinda all linked in here Lar.
> > >
> > > I'm seeing that.
> > >
> > > > >Or, you could just use turmeric. It has a potent COX inhibitor in it.
I've tried a couple of times. The first time I thougt I felt an improvement..the next time nothing.
Again in the past week, I tried once at noon but didn't work
3Pm ended up painting teeeth with clove oil again..only dulled pain, couldn't concentrate even on reading forums
7PM.. tried panadol
8.30PM Pain gone ...wierd..as that never used to work on migraines etc.
I'm really confused about this Prostaglandin, COX, NOX stuff. Did a heap of reading but I can't interpret it.
I have a heap of links and it was raised by someone of a thyroid forum too...if you're interested I'll post it up?..and they also appear to be using and perhaps linking niacinamide, or preferably NADH, fish oil, Nox, and cox inhibitors, PG's?(I think).Is tea a cox inhibitor?or only green tea?..and I've been drinking both lately, so perhaps that is why tumeric does make a diff sometimes and not at other times..depends on if I'm already getting whatever in my diet at that time?
> > > > Oh , the other time this pain really completely lifted like magic was back in January, I had a double course of penicillin..as had sinus and moved to throat and playing up with thyroiditis ..the tooth pain stopped with the sinus pain with the antibiotic..and my thyroid problems lifted too (well still took meds, but I felt terrific)
> > >
> > > Nerves are well known for a phenomenon known as referral. Pain sensations are felt in regions that are not producing the pain. The pain you thought to be from your tooth could have been entirely caused by sinus pressure, or it may have been due to an infected tooth root. I'll see if I can figure out why you may have felt better after penicillin. You are intriguing, ya know?
> >
> > <grin>
> > Looked back at notes, it was actually about 15 days of Augmentin(Amoxicillin and Clavulanate Potassium)..as it had moved to my chest..but 'm pretty sure it's the penicillin in it. I usually just have penicillin antibiotics..just not for that long. I suspected perhaps long term antibiotic therapy may help with the hashi stuff...but it surprised me that the tooth/jaw pain completely disappeared too for a while.
>
> The clavanulate blocks a known mechanism of resistance to penicillin, substantially enhancing the effectiveness in certain infective species. Because this worked for your pain, it's pretty suggestive that you had an unidentified infection somewhere in your mouth.
>
> > > > Lar, thanks if you even get thru reading this!
> > >
> > > Ya, I got this far.
> > >
> > > > and my tooth is killing me <grin>..and I don't won't to take anything in case I muck up the EEG.
> > > > Going to apply some clove oil. now
> > >
> > > Clove oil contains one of the most potent COX inhibitors known to man (eugenol). That's why it works for tooth pain. Be careful with it. It is so potent that it can cause necrosis (tissue death).
> >
> > Thanks Lar, I didn't know any of that
> > Just went "normal" to the EEG..wonderful to have your reply
> >
> > hugs, Jan
>
> So, where ya been? Waiting for me? <g>
<g>
> Besides, I honour the female attributes within me. (Maybe that's what you sensed about me?)lesson learned..don't reply at 3AM with no sleep on forums one can't edit later..except I keep forgetting.
OK, will try to answer better. I think I sensed someone who seemed caring and supportive but also who seemed to be searching for an answer/support themselves as well?..and perhaps someone who may possibly identify with similar symptoms/reactions in some cases.
Anyone can email me via that thyroid forum..just click on my name?Hugs, Jan
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