Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 13:13:52
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-rulz, posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2013, at 10:18:28
> > > > > > > > > > > If {what if} means that by modifying what can be seen would annul the fact that the post means, I have said that it would not.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
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> > > > > > > > > > > I have heard the words often enough, in context, to understand that it's generally meant as a condemnation of Christian churches who do not have Christ at their center.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Dinah
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> > > > > > > > > > > if you think for one second that I am going to ever stop my efforts here to purge that statement .. then think again my friends
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> > > > > > > > > > > Lou
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> > > > > > > > > > I did think we might be able to agree on a way to modify it. Apparently not. Reasonable people can disagree. How about moving on to another statement?
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> > > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > The statement says what it says. You even want to change it. You could do that and then I will post my response to you in that thread where you make the change. I have the following concerns and would like for you to post answers to the following.
> > > > > > > > > A. Are you going to actually do some type of computer surgery to the statement and change it so that it will be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community? You do not need my permission to do that.
> > > > > > > > > B. If so, would the original statement remain or not?
> > > > > > > > > C. If you could do that to the statement in the post in question, could you also do that to other post's statements?
> > > > > > > > > D. If so, what are the criteria that you will use to determine which ones you will change and make an unsupportive statement into a supportive statement?
> > > > > > > > > E. When I read your TOS here, it said to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. I took you at your word. So are you going to change your TOS from that to something like:
> > > > > > > > > [...If you post a statement that could put down those of other faiths, I will use my features in my computer to change the statement so that it does not put down those of other faiths...].
> > > > > > > > > F. Have you done this type of changing previously here? If so, could you post the urls of those?
> > > > > > > > > G. If you do change the statement, would there be a disclaimer posted in the thread that you made a change to what another member posted and why you modified the statement?
> > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
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> > > > > > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > If you are going to use your option to not respond to my requests in the above post from me to you, then here is the next post in our discussion.
> > > > > > > > The post is problematic for many reasons. But be it as it may be, the statements still stand that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and IMHO could induce in the minds of a subset of readers the ideas that could lead them IMHHO to think of violence toward Jews, on the basis that some readers could think that the statements about Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here by you. What I am asking is for you to post there a statement that the statements about Jews are not considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community. To see the post in question, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> > > > > > > > [ faith,428781 ]
> > > > > > > > Lou PIlder
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> > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > Now you write that you would like to go on to another post. But there is the potential, IMHO, for Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence as a result of the derogatory statements about Jews being allowed to stand by you here.
> > > > > > > You say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole and for people to trust you in that. But I say to you that as long as you do not respond to my requests, what you allow to stand here about the Jews could inflict harm to Jews because there could be a subset of readers that see these statements in question being allowed to stand and could take that as that what is written about Jews to be supportive by you since you say that support takes precedence. And you also say that one match could start a forest fire so that you do not wait to act. Then statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings being allowed to stand by you could cause a subset of readers to think that it is supportive by you to have statements that could defame Jews and stigmatize Jews which I think could induce hostility toward Jews in a subset of readers so that there could be children being beaten and killed by Jew-haters as they could see that a psychiatrist allows such derogatory and dehumanizing statements about Jews to be seen as good for this community as a whole as you say that you do.You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. I say to you that it could be seen that your posture toward Jews by allowing these statements about Jews to stand could stoke the furnace of hate and by allowing the statements, the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning. I am here to put out the fire that you are allowing. And as long as these statements that are derogatory and dehumanizing about the Jews are allowed to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, so shall I continue to try to stop you from allowing the fire of hatred toward the Jews to spread.
> > > > > > > Lou Pilder
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> > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > Here are two posts for discussion. The posts have statements in them that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and the posts can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you.
> > > > > > In this post anti-Semitic feelings could be aroused IMO. This could stereotype Jews and stigmatize Jews, for the passage doesn't say what the poster says it says.
> > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > http:/www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > > > Then in this post, line #6 uses the word, {only} which precludes Jews and all other religions that have a different way than Christiandom. This could arouse hatred in particular but not limited toward the Jews.
> > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > > > > Lou Pilder
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> > > > > The correction to the first link is:
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
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> > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > You have posted that as the statement in the second link here that has line #6 that starts of with,[What is Christianity...], that as the statement stands, it would need to be modified so as to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community as you cited the correct way for the statement to be, ie,[..What is Christianity, a way for (me) or a way for (people of my faith).
> > > > The statement as it stands puts down at least Jews, and is an antisemitic statement as agreed by you here. For the statement as it stands says that Christianity is the only way for all humanity, which includes the Jews.
> > > > My request here is to know what remedial action, if anything, you are going to take as a result of posting here that the statement is not in accordance with your own stated rules. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> > > > Lou, I'm going to:
> > > > A. Leave the statement as it stands because it says what it says and that will be good for this community as a whole.
> > > > B. Post in the thread where the statement is seen something that shows the readers that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
> > > > C. I agree that the statement could be taken as an insult to Islamic and Jewish and Hindu people and all other people that have a faith that has their own pathway to return to God outside of Christianity, but I will still not post anything in the thread where the post appears because if those people could feel insulted when they read the statement,[...your answer here ...]
> > > > D. Something else.
> > > > Lou Pilder
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> > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > We now have the two posts that IMHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings by the nature that what is contained in the post could lead a Jew to feel put down. The one post is concerning that it states something like,[...Christianity is he only religion that has a path back to the Father, or to God...]. As of now I do not see any post by you linked to that post. If you are not going to take remedial action in regards to this post that could put down Jews and Islamic people and anyone else that has a religion that offers a way back to God that is not part of Christianity, then you could go on to this post and post here if you consider it to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > > Lou Pilder
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1048569.html
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> > correction:
> > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > Lou Pilder
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> Mr Hsiung,
> Be advised that your terms of service here is that if a post is not addressed by you, that others could think that you are indicating by your not addressing it, that the statement in question is conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
> Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do, for you say that you want readers to try to trust you in that you are doing what will be good for this community as a whole and that you will appreciate it if they do. The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> Let us look at what has been posted here by you:
> Lou PIlder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/424336.htmlMr. Hsiung,
Now I want to cntiue our discussion. But take the following int consideration when you post ay reply to me.
Here you say that just a small statement can lead someone to feel put down, and to be civil at all times
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
Now here are some of the posts that others could think that you are saying that they are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive due to what you have posted about if posts are not addressed by you. If you really think that, then could you post an affirmation of that here now? If you do, then I will go in a different direction here in our discussion.
Here are some of the posts in our discussion that I am awaiting for your response to me.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1050116
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1054333.html