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Posted by Lou Pilder on November 11, 2013, at 16:15:09
In reply to Lou's reply to former deputy 10derheart-cmplcty, posted by Lou Pilder on November 10, 2013, at 8:30:13
> > > Lou,
> > >
> > > IMO, as long as you see your often-used description, i.e:
> > >
> > > >>statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings
> > >
> > > as factual, "plainly seen," obvious, and/or downplay/completely disregard the word **could** no meaningful dialog will take place. To me, this means they could or they could not, and if they could not, Dr. Bob and others - maybe all others but you - may read these posts as not anti-Semitic by any far stretch of the imagination. I think you write this over and over again as a given, when it is anything but that.
> > >
> > > As long as you cannot imagine or entertain the idea that for many Babblers, the statements you cite in posts are NOT...
> > >
> > > >>plainly visible [here are] statements that put down Jews
> > >
> > > no meaningful dialog will take place. I find when I am passionate about a thing, those are the times I must get myself to imagine the completely opposite POV in order to have meaningful dialog. I do that with you, the best I possibly can, but I just still can't conceive of these things as anti-Semitism.
> > >
> > > >>posts that put down Jews are anti-Semitic posts by the agreement of Mr.[sic] Hsiung.
> > >
> > > Did Dr. Bob say the above...exactly? I thought he said he could see how you could think one particular statement in one post *might* or *could* cause Jews or others to feel put down. Am I mistaken? Did he say an actual (not hypothetically) post or posts are anti-Semitic? Could you show me that?
> > >
> > > 10,
> > You wrote,[...could you show me that?...]
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439314.html
> > > Lou
> >
> > 10,
> Now that you see what is plainly visible above in the link that does state that Mr Hsiung agrees with me that statements that could put down Jews are anti-Semitic statements, I have the following concerns and if you could post answers to them, I think that could go a long way in helping Jews from being victims of anti-Semitic violence that IMHO could come from this site by the nature that anti-Semitic statements are plainly visible here and could be seen by a subset of readers as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive. And more than that, there are statements that IMHO could induce hostile and disparaging opinions and feelings against me here that a subset of readers IMO could be influenced by to target a Jew or Islamic person or others that are not Christians for harm by the nature that this community has these statements that could put down Jews and Islamic people being plainly seen as that they will be good for this community as a whole because Mr Hsiung's terms of service state that in his thinking he wants readers to trust him in that what he does, or I guess what he doesn't do, will be good for this community as a whole. And since he states that one match could start a forest fire so that he does not wait to sanction a statement, unsanctioned statements could cause a subset of people to think that those statements are supportive because Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence and not to post what could put down those of other faiths. As to statements that do put down Jews and others being allowed to stand, IMHO there could be a subset of people that could think that antisemitism is state-sponsored here. This is part of how I understand, and other psychologists also, how hate groups develop over time. I am here to stop this community from allowing hatred to be allowed to stand here. As to anti-Semitic statements here being allowed to stand here, I ask you:
> A. Do you agree with Mr Hsiung in that it will be good for this community as a whole to allow those statements to stand?
> B. In this statement in particular, if you think that it will be good for it to stand, what good will there be if the statement continues to be allowed to stand? The statement says something like:
> [...Christianity is the only religion that has a path back to the Father...].
> The statement puts down Jews and Islamic people and Hindu people and others that have a religion that has a path back to the Father that is not a Christian religion. The statement insult those religion and there IMHO and knowledge are subsets of people that are in those religions being put down that could feel greatly offended when they read the statement that says something like, [...Christianity is the {only}....]. The use of the word {only}precludes all those that are not members of Christianity, does it not? Thearfore, a subset of readers could think that their religion , if not Christian, can not have a path for them to return to the Father. (but Christianity does). That is an example of the generally accepted meaning of what {put down} means.
> C. Were you a deputy when that was posted?
> D. If so, why did you not address the post in relation to the rules of Mr Hsiung's TOS?
> E. Were you ever told not to address it as deputy? If so, by whom?
> F. If you are not going to help me stop these statements from being allowed to be seen as supportive and good for this community as a whole by the nature that they are allowed to stand, for what reason could you give to not use any influence that you could have to help me?
> LouFriends and 10_d_h
Now the discussion includes the actions, or inactions, of those that do Mr. Hsiung's wishes here. These are those that are listed here as a deputy.
The anti-Semitic posts here that are standing can be identified by as to if they put down Jews, as Mr. Hsiung agrees with me on that. But it is much more than that. Here is a list of the other ways a statement could be deemed to be an anti-Semitic statement.
Lou
To see this list, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
[ admin, 844756 ]
Look for the 844756 in the colored strip, not the subject line.
Posted by 10derheart on November 11, 2013, at 18:36:56
In reply to Lou's reply to former deputy 10derheart-cmplcty, posted by Lou Pilder on November 10, 2013, at 8:30:13
As long as you include words like complicity and co-conspirator in your subject lines directed to me, and refer to inciting people to violence, causing death, anti-Semitism and beheadings in your posts relating to me and other (present or former) deputies, there is not a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HADES I will respond to your "questions."
Decency is a good and useful quality -- perhaps you could try it sometime. Have a wonderful day, Lou.
Posted by 10derheart on November 11, 2013, at 18:45:01
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to former deputy 10derheart-cmplcty, posted by SLS on November 11, 2013, at 2:25:54
Scott,
I have literally run out of superlatives for you. I wish I could give you a hug IRL (if you wouldn't mind).
Your support is always noticed and appreciated. As you said in several eloquent ways....I know who and what I am. I have a relationship with my God that surpasses anything and everything. Nothing ridiculous Lou or anyone insinuates here will touch that.
Thanks for being a life-enhancer.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 11, 2013, at 20:49:22
In reply to Lou Pilder » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on November 11, 2013, at 18:36:56
> As long as you include words like complicity and co-conspirator in your subject lines directed to me, and refer to inciting people to violence, causing death, anti-Semitism and beheadings in your posts relating to me and other (present or former) deputies, there is not a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HADES I will respond to your "questions."
>
> Decency is a good and useful quality -- perhaps you could try it sometime. Have a wonderful day, Lou.Friends, deputies and Mr. Hsiung
If you are interested in this discussion, be advised that there are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me here. Statements that are still outstanding that I think could cause hatred toward the Jews to be fostered here because the anti-Semitic statements against the Jews are standing so that there could be a subset of readers that could think that the dehumanizing statements against the Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole, for support takes precedence according to Mr Hsiung. But it is much more than that.
You see, the statements could cause a forest fire of hate, hatred toward the Jews, as long as the fire of hate is not quenched. And to Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now, and his deputies then, only you can prevent forest fires here, for I am helpless to require you to sanction the statements. And you say to me that you do what will be good for this community as a whole. I say to you, that I have never seen good come from hate.
Lou
to see some of these type in the search box:
[ Lou, Indok ]
Posted by SLS on November 11, 2013, at 22:16:18
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on November 11, 2013, at 20:49:22
> I say to you, that I have never seen good come from hate.
Do you hate 10derheart?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 12, 2013, at 6:25:34
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on November 11, 2013, at 20:49:22
> > As long as you include words like complicity and co-conspirator in your subject lines directed to me, and refer to inciting people to violence, causing death, anti-Semitism and beheadings in your posts relating to me and other (present or former) deputies, there is not a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HADES I will respond to your "questions."
> >
> > Decency is a good and useful quality -- perhaps you could try it sometime. Have a wonderful day, Lou.
>
> Friends, deputies and Mr. Hsiung
> If you are interested in this discussion, be advised that there are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me here. Statements that are still outstanding that I think could cause hatred toward the Jews to be fostered here because the anti-Semitic statements against the Jews are standing so that there could be a subset of readers that could think that the dehumanizing statements against the Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole, for support takes precedence according to Mr Hsiung. But it is much more than that.
> You see, the statements could cause a forest fire of hate, hatred toward the Jews, as long as the fire of hate is not quenched. And to Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now, and his deputies then, only you can prevent forest fires here, for I am helpless to require you to sanction the statements. And you say to me that you do what will be good for this community as a whole. I say to you, that I have never seen good come from hate.
> Lou
> to see some of these type in the search box:
> [ Lou, Indok ]
>
Friends,
If you want to understand how the leaders of a community could foster hatred toward the Jews and other non-Christians, the posts in {Indok} above are only a sample of how tactics used to arouse hatred toward the Jews have been used historically. By allowing those type of statements to stand, a subset of readers could think that they are supportive and will be good for this community as a whole, for Mr Hsiung and his deputies can control the content by not responding to my notifications and requests.
The question as to how could all of the deputies also not respond to my years of notifications? I know of just a singular answer to that question and unless the deputies post otherwise, it is obvious to me why the deputies also di not respond to my years of notifications, notifications that I think if were replied to, any harm toward Jews and others that could come from those statements seen by anyone as supportive, could be prevented.
But it is much more than that. Mr Hsiung has posted why he did not respond to my notifications. He says that by him not responding, that others could be influenced to also not respond to me. And that, then, according to Mr Hsiung's TOS, will be good for this community as a whole, for he says that in his thinking that what he does, or I guess what he doesn't do, will be good for this community as a whole. Really? I have never seen that using any tactic to be indifferent to another to bring forth good fruit. I have only seen that tactic to bring forth hatred toward the targeted person, for the tactic could stigmatize the person that the leader is deliberatly not responding to. This stigmatization has historical parallels that Mr Hsiung has posted prohibitions to me here that prevent me from educating readers from a Jewish perspective about that. And you that say that this is not so? Then read here.I will not allow a Badge of Shame to be put on me by anyone, nor will I allow anyone here to do so to another.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1050336.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 12, 2013, at 6:32:19
In reply to Lou's response-pstygmah, posted by Lou Pilder on November 12, 2013, at 6:25:34
> > > As long as you include words like complicity and co-conspirator in your subject lines directed to me, and refer to inciting people to violence, causing death, anti-Semitism and beheadings in your posts relating to me and other (present or former) deputies, there is not a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HADES I will respond to your "questions."
> > >
> > > Decency is a good and useful quality -- perhaps you could try it sometime. Have a wonderful day, Lou.
> >
> > Friends, deputies and Mr. Hsiung
> > If you are interested in this discussion, be advised that there are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me here. Statements that are still outstanding that I think could cause hatred toward the Jews to be fostered here because the anti-Semitic statements against the Jews are standing so that there could be a subset of readers that could think that the dehumanizing statements against the Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole, for support takes precedence according to Mr Hsiung. But it is much more than that.
> > You see, the statements could cause a forest fire of hate, hatred toward the Jews, as long as the fire of hate is not quenched. And to Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now, and his deputies then, only you can prevent forest fires here, for I am helpless to require you to sanction the statements. And you say to me that you do what will be good for this community as a whole. I say to you, that I have never seen good come from hate.
> > Lou
> > to see some of these type in the search box:
> > [ Lou, Indok ]
> >
> Friends,
> If you want to understand how the leaders of a community could foster hatred toward the Jews and other non-Christians, the posts in {Indok} above are only a sample of how tactics used to arouse hatred toward the Jews have been used historically. By allowing those type of statements to stand, a subset of readers could think that they are supportive and will be good for this community as a whole, for Mr Hsiung and his deputies can control the content by not responding to my notifications and requests.
> The question as to how could all of the deputies also not respond to my years of notifications? I know of just a singular answer to that question and unless the deputies post otherwise, it is obvious to me why the deputies also di not respond to my years of notifications, notifications that I think if were replied to, any harm toward Jews and others that could come from those statements seen by anyone as supportive, could be prevented.
> But it is much more than that. Mr Hsiung has posted why he did not respond to my notifications. He says that by him not responding, that others could be influenced to also not respond to me. And that, then, according to Mr Hsiung's TOS, will be good for this community as a whole, for he says that in his thinking that what he does, or I guess what he doesn't do, will be good for this community as a whole. Really? I have never seen that using any tactic to be indifferent to another to bring forth good fruit. I have only seen that tactic to bring forth hatred toward the targeted person, for the tactic could stigmatize the person that the leader is deliberatly not responding to. This stigmatization has historical parallels that Mr Hsiung has posted prohibitions to me here that prevent me from educating readers from a Jewish perspective about that. And you that say that this is not so? Then read here.I will not allow a Badge of Shame to be put on me by anyone, nor will I allow anyone here to do so to another.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1050336.htmlcorrection:
To see the post in question as to that Mr Hsiung is using a tactic to influence readers here to not respond tome,
go to the search box here and type in:
[ admin, 1050362 ]
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 12, 2013, at 10:58:39
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discu-tehykdthlytlee, posted by Lou Pilder on November 10, 2013, at 15:59:04
> Because you have not addressed that part in the second post by Mr. Hoover, because it is not in that post, readers can not see anything by you that addresses the aspect of death to me by what Mr. Hoover wrote against me. This could IMHO lead a subset of readers to think that what Mr. Hoover wrote against me is conducive to he civic harmony and welfare of the community and supportive. This could conceivably result in my death by there could be a subset of readers thinking that my death will be good for this community as a whole
I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 12, 2013, at 15:48:44
In reply to Lou's request to Mr Hsiung-dehlybihndyf?, posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2013, at 8:10:14
> > > > > > > > If {what if} means that by modifying what can be seen would annul the fact that the post means, I have said that it would not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have heard the words often enough, in context, to understand that it's generally meant as a condemnation of Christian churches who do not have Christ at their center.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dinah
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if you think for one second that I am going to ever stop my efforts here to purge that statement .. then think again my friends
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I did think we might be able to agree on a way to modify it. Apparently not. Reasonable people can disagree. How about moving on to another statement?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > The statement says what it says. You even want to change it. You could do that and then I will post my response to you in that thread where you make the change. I have the following concerns and would like for you to post answers to the following.
> > > > > > A. Are you going to actually do some type of computer surgery to the statement and change it so that it will be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community? You do not need my permission to do that.
> > > > > > B. If so, would the original statement remain or not?
> > > > > > C. If you could do that to the statement in the post in question, could you also do that to other post's statements?
> > > > > > D. If so, what are the criteria that you will use to determine which ones you will change and make an unsupportive statement into a supportive statement?
> > > > > > E. When I read your TOS here, it said to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. I took you at your word. So are you going to change your TOS from that to something like:
> > > > > > [...If you post a statement that could put down those of other faiths, I will use my features in my computer to change the statement so that it does not put down those of other faiths...].
> > > > > > F. Have you done this type of changing previously here? If so, could you post the urls of those?
> > > > > > G. If you do change the statement, would there be a disclaimer posted in the thread that you made a change to what another member posted and why you modified the statement?
> > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > If you are going to use your option to not respond to my requests in the above post from me to you, then here is the next post in our discussion.
> > > > > The post is problematic for many reasons. But be it as it may be, the statements still stand that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and IMHO could induce in the minds of a subset of readers the ideas that could lead them IMHHO to think of violence toward Jews, on the basis that some readers could think that the statements about Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here by you. What I am asking is for you to post there a statement that the statements about Jews are not considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community. To see the post in question, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> > > > > [ faith,428781 ]
> > > > > Lou PIlder
> > > > > to
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > Now you write that you would like to go on to another post. But there is the potential, IMHO, for Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence as a result of the derogatory statements about Jews being allowed to stand by you here.
> > > > You say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole and for people to trust you in that. But I say to you that as long as you do not respond to my requests, what you allow to stand here about the Jews could inflict harm to Jews because there could be a subset of readers that see these statements in question being allowed to stand and could take that as that what is written about Jews to be supportive by you since you say that support takes precedence. And you also say that one match could start a forest fire so that you do not wait to act. Then statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings being allowed to stand by you could cause a subset of readers to think that it is supportive by you to have statements that could defame Jews and stigmatize Jews which I think could induce hostility toward Jews in a subset of readers so that there could be children being beaten and killed by Jew-haters as they could see that a psychiatrist allows such derogatory and dehumanizing statements about Jews to be seen as good for this community as a whole as you say that you do.You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. I say to you that it could be seen that your posture toward Jews by allowing these statements about Jews to stand could stoke the furnace of hate and by allowing the statements, the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning. I am here to put out the fire that you are allowing. And as long as these statements that are derogatory and dehumanizing about the Jews are allowed to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, so shall I continue to try to stop you from allowing the fire of hatred toward the Jews to spread.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > Here are two posts for discussion. The posts have statements in them that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and the posts can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you.
> > > In this post anti-Semitic feelings could be aroused IMO. This could stereotype Jews and stigmatize Jews, for the passage doesn't say what the poster says it says.
> > > The post is:
> > > http:/www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > Then in this post, line #6 uses the word, {only} which precludes Jews and all other religions that have a different way than Christiandom. This could arouse hatred in particular but not limited toward the Jews.
> > > The post is:
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > Lou Pilder
> >
> > The correction to the first link is:
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> You have posted that as the statement in the second link here that has line #6 that starts of with,[What is Christianity...], that as the statement stands, it would need to be modified so as to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community as you cited the correct way for the statement to be, ie,[..What is Christianity, a way for (me) or a way for (people of my faith).
> The statement as it stands puts down at least Jews, and is an antisemitic statement as agreed by you here. For the statement as it stands says that Christianity is the only way for all humanity, which includes the Jews.
> My request here is to know what remedial action, if anything, you are going to take as a result of posting here that the statement is not in accordance with your own stated rules. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> Lou, I'm going to:
> A. Leave the statement as it stands because it says what it says and that will be good for this community as a whole.
> B. Post in the thread where the statement is seen something that shows the readers that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
> C. I agree that the statement could be taken as an insult to Islamic and Jewish and Hindu people and all other people that have a faith that has their own pathway to return to God outside of Christianity, but I will still not post anything in the thread where the post appears because if those people could feel insulted when they read the statement,[...your answer here ...]
> D. Something else.
> Lou PilderMr Hsiung,
We now have the two posts that IMHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings by the nature that what is contained in the post could lead a Jew to feel put down. The one post is concerning that it states something like,[...Christianity is he only religion that has a path back to the Father, or to God...]. As of now I do not see any post by you linked to that post. If you are not going to take remedial action in regards to this post that could put down Jews and Islamic people and anyone else that has a religion that offers a way back to God that is not part of Christianity, then you could go on to this post and post here if you consider it to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1048569.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 12, 2013, at 18:08:57
In reply to The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-koehlb, posted by Lou Pilder on November 12, 2013, at 15:48:44
> > > > > > > > > If {what if} means that by modifying what can be seen would annul the fact that the post means, I have said that it would not.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have heard the words often enough, in context, to understand that it's generally meant as a condemnation of Christian churches who do not have Christ at their center.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dinah
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > if you think for one second that I am going to ever stop my efforts here to purge that statement .. then think again my friends
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I did think we might be able to agree on a way to modify it. Apparently not. Reasonable people can disagree. How about moving on to another statement?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > The statement says what it says. You even want to change it. You could do that and then I will post my response to you in that thread where you make the change. I have the following concerns and would like for you to post answers to the following.
> > > > > > > A. Are you going to actually do some type of computer surgery to the statement and change it so that it will be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community? You do not need my permission to do that.
> > > > > > > B. If so, would the original statement remain or not?
> > > > > > > C. If you could do that to the statement in the post in question, could you also do that to other post's statements?
> > > > > > > D. If so, what are the criteria that you will use to determine which ones you will change and make an unsupportive statement into a supportive statement?
> > > > > > > E. When I read your TOS here, it said to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. I took you at your word. So are you going to change your TOS from that to something like:
> > > > > > > [...If you post a statement that could put down those of other faiths, I will use my features in my computer to change the statement so that it does not put down those of other faiths...].
> > > > > > > F. Have you done this type of changing previously here? If so, could you post the urls of those?
> > > > > > > G. If you do change the statement, would there be a disclaimer posted in the thread that you made a change to what another member posted and why you modified the statement?
> > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > > If you are going to use your option to not respond to my requests in the above post from me to you, then here is the next post in our discussion.
> > > > > > The post is problematic for many reasons. But be it as it may be, the statements still stand that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and IMHO could induce in the minds of a subset of readers the ideas that could lead them IMHHO to think of violence toward Jews, on the basis that some readers could think that the statements about Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here by you. What I am asking is for you to post there a statement that the statements about Jews are not considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community. To see the post in question, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> > > > > > [ faith,428781 ]
> > > > > > Lou PIlder
> > > > > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > Now you write that you would like to go on to another post. But there is the potential, IMHO, for Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence as a result of the derogatory statements about Jews being allowed to stand by you here.
> > > > > You say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole and for people to trust you in that. But I say to you that as long as you do not respond to my requests, what you allow to stand here about the Jews could inflict harm to Jews because there could be a subset of readers that see these statements in question being allowed to stand and could take that as that what is written about Jews to be supportive by you since you say that support takes precedence. And you also say that one match could start a forest fire so that you do not wait to act. Then statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings being allowed to stand by you could cause a subset of readers to think that it is supportive by you to have statements that could defame Jews and stigmatize Jews which I think could induce hostility toward Jews in a subset of readers so that there could be children being beaten and killed by Jew-haters as they could see that a psychiatrist allows such derogatory and dehumanizing statements about Jews to be seen as good for this community as a whole as you say that you do.You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. I say to you that it could be seen that your posture toward Jews by allowing these statements about Jews to stand could stoke the furnace of hate and by allowing the statements, the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning. I am here to put out the fire that you are allowing. And as long as these statements that are derogatory and dehumanizing about the Jews are allowed to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, so shall I continue to try to stop you from allowing the fire of hatred toward the Jews to spread.
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > Here are two posts for discussion. The posts have statements in them that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and the posts can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you.
> > > > In this post anti-Semitic feelings could be aroused IMO. This could stereotype Jews and stigmatize Jews, for the passage doesn't say what the poster says it says.
> > > > The post is:
> > > > http:/www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > Then in this post, line #6 uses the word, {only} which precludes Jews and all other religions that have a different way than Christiandom. This could arouse hatred in particular but not limited toward the Jews.
> > > > The post is:
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> > > The correction to the first link is:
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> >
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > You have posted that as the statement in the second link here that has line #6 that starts of with,[What is Christianity...], that as the statement stands, it would need to be modified so as to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community as you cited the correct way for the statement to be, ie,[..What is Christianity, a way for (me) or a way for (people of my faith).
> > The statement as it stands puts down at least Jews, and is an antisemitic statement as agreed by you here. For the statement as it stands says that Christianity is the only way for all humanity, which includes the Jews.
> > My request here is to know what remedial action, if anything, you are going to take as a result of posting here that the statement is not in accordance with your own stated rules. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> > Lou, I'm going to:
> > A. Leave the statement as it stands because it says what it says and that will be good for this community as a whole.
> > B. Post in the thread where the statement is seen something that shows the readers that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
> > C. I agree that the statement could be taken as an insult to Islamic and Jewish and Hindu people and all other people that have a faith that has their own pathway to return to God outside of Christianity, but I will still not post anything in the thread where the post appears because if those people could feel insulted when they read the statement,[...your answer here ...]
> > D. Something else.
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> We now have the two posts that IMHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings by the nature that what is contained in the post could lead a Jew to feel put down. The one post is concerning that it states something like,[...Christianity is he only religion that has a path back to the Father, or to God...]. As of now I do not see any post by you linked to that post. If you are not going to take remedial action in regards to this post that could put down Jews and Islamic people and anyone else that has a religion that offers a way back to God that is not part of Christianity, then you could go on to this post and post here if you consider it to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1048569.htmlcorrection:
I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2013, at 10:18:28
In reply to correction:The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-koehlb, posted by Lou Pilder on November 12, 2013, at 18:08:57
> > > > > > > > > > If {what if} means that by modifying what can be seen would annul the fact that the post means, I have said that it would not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have heard the words often enough, in context, to understand that it's generally meant as a condemnation of Christian churches who do not have Christ at their center.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dinah
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > if you think for one second that I am going to ever stop my efforts here to purge that statement .. then think again my friends
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I did think we might be able to agree on a way to modify it. Apparently not. Reasonable people can disagree. How about moving on to another statement?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > The statement says what it says. You even want to change it. You could do that and then I will post my response to you in that thread where you make the change. I have the following concerns and would like for you to post answers to the following.
> > > > > > > > A. Are you going to actually do some type of computer surgery to the statement and change it so that it will be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community? You do not need my permission to do that.
> > > > > > > > B. If so, would the original statement remain or not?
> > > > > > > > C. If you could do that to the statement in the post in question, could you also do that to other post's statements?
> > > > > > > > D. If so, what are the criteria that you will use to determine which ones you will change and make an unsupportive statement into a supportive statement?
> > > > > > > > E. When I read your TOS here, it said to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. I took you at your word. So are you going to change your TOS from that to something like:
> > > > > > > > [...If you post a statement that could put down those of other faiths, I will use my features in my computer to change the statement so that it does not put down those of other faiths...].
> > > > > > > > F. Have you done this type of changing previously here? If so, could you post the urls of those?
> > > > > > > > G. If you do change the statement, would there be a disclaimer posted in the thread that you made a change to what another member posted and why you modified the statement?
> > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > > > If you are going to use your option to not respond to my requests in the above post from me to you, then here is the next post in our discussion.
> > > > > > > The post is problematic for many reasons. But be it as it may be, the statements still stand that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and IMHO could induce in the minds of a subset of readers the ideas that could lead them IMHHO to think of violence toward Jews, on the basis that some readers could think that the statements about Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here by you. What I am asking is for you to post there a statement that the statements about Jews are not considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community. To see the post in question, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> > > > > > > [ faith,428781 ]
> > > > > > > Lou PIlder
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > Now you write that you would like to go on to another post. But there is the potential, IMHO, for Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence as a result of the derogatory statements about Jews being allowed to stand by you here.
> > > > > > You say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole and for people to trust you in that. But I say to you that as long as you do not respond to my requests, what you allow to stand here about the Jews could inflict harm to Jews because there could be a subset of readers that see these statements in question being allowed to stand and could take that as that what is written about Jews to be supportive by you since you say that support takes precedence. And you also say that one match could start a forest fire so that you do not wait to act. Then statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings being allowed to stand by you could cause a subset of readers to think that it is supportive by you to have statements that could defame Jews and stigmatize Jews which I think could induce hostility toward Jews in a subset of readers so that there could be children being beaten and killed by Jew-haters as they could see that a psychiatrist allows such derogatory and dehumanizing statements about Jews to be seen as good for this community as a whole as you say that you do.You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. I say to you that it could be seen that your posture toward Jews by allowing these statements about Jews to stand could stoke the furnace of hate and by allowing the statements, the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning. I am here to put out the fire that you are allowing. And as long as these statements that are derogatory and dehumanizing about the Jews are allowed to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, so shall I continue to try to stop you from allowing the fire of hatred toward the Jews to spread.
> > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > Here are two posts for discussion. The posts have statements in them that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and the posts can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you.
> > > > > In this post anti-Semitic feelings could be aroused IMO. This could stereotype Jews and stigmatize Jews, for the passage doesn't say what the poster says it says.
> > > > > The post is:
> > > > > http:/www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > > Then in this post, line #6 uses the word, {only} which precludes Jews and all other religions that have a different way than Christiandom. This could arouse hatred in particular but not limited toward the Jews.
> > > > > The post is:
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > > The correction to the first link is:
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > >
> > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > You have posted that as the statement in the second link here that has line #6 that starts of with,[What is Christianity...], that as the statement stands, it would need to be modified so as to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community as you cited the correct way for the statement to be, ie,[..What is Christianity, a way for (me) or a way for (people of my faith).
> > > The statement as it stands puts down at least Jews, and is an antisemitic statement as agreed by you here. For the statement as it stands says that Christianity is the only way for all humanity, which includes the Jews.
> > > My request here is to know what remedial action, if anything, you are going to take as a result of posting here that the statement is not in accordance with your own stated rules. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> > > Lou, I'm going to:
> > > A. Leave the statement as it stands because it says what it says and that will be good for this community as a whole.
> > > B. Post in the thread where the statement is seen something that shows the readers that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
> > > C. I agree that the statement could be taken as an insult to Islamic and Jewish and Hindu people and all other people that have a faith that has their own pathway to return to God outside of Christianity, but I will still not post anything in the thread where the post appears because if those people could feel insulted when they read the statement,[...your answer here ...]
> > > D. Something else.
> > > Lou Pilder
> >
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > We now have the two posts that IMHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings by the nature that what is contained in the post could lead a Jew to feel put down. The one post is concerning that it states something like,[...Christianity is he only religion that has a path back to the Father, or to God...]. As of now I do not see any post by you linked to that post. If you are not going to take remedial action in regards to this post that could put down Jews and Islamic people and anyone else that has a religion that offers a way back to God that is not part of Christianity, then you could go on to this post and post here if you consider it to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > Lou Pilder
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1048569.html
>
> correction:
> I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> Lou PilderMr Hsiung,
Be advised that your terms of service here is that if a post is not addressed by you, that others could think that you are indicating by your not addressing it, that the statement in question is conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do, for you say that you want readers to try to trust you in that you are doing what will be good for this community as a whole and that you will appreciate it if they do. The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
Let us look at what has been posted here by you:
Lou PIlder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/424336.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 7:12:01
In reply to Re: Lou's response-gewzsikodik » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on November 10, 2013, at 19:41:57
> Are there other Jews that have instructions from God? Did God signal you out from all of the Jews to deliver your message about the white Horse man? Phillipa
Phillipa,
It has been revealed to me that the God that the Jews give service and worship to anoints some people as {messengers} for specific purposes. These messengers can be attacked by those that do not want the messages that they bring to be known. The message is usually a warning so that those that the message is intended for do not have an excuse that they did not get due-process and say that they never heard.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 13:13:52
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-rulz, posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2013, at 10:18:28
> > > > > > > > > > > If {what if} means that by modifying what can be seen would annul the fact that the post means, I have said that it would not.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have heard the words often enough, in context, to understand that it's generally meant as a condemnation of Christian churches who do not have Christ at their center.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dinah
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > if you think for one second that I am going to ever stop my efforts here to purge that statement .. then think again my friends
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I did think we might be able to agree on a way to modify it. Apparently not. Reasonable people can disagree. How about moving on to another statement?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > The statement says what it says. You even want to change it. You could do that and then I will post my response to you in that thread where you make the change. I have the following concerns and would like for you to post answers to the following.
> > > > > > > > > A. Are you going to actually do some type of computer surgery to the statement and change it so that it will be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community? You do not need my permission to do that.
> > > > > > > > > B. If so, would the original statement remain or not?
> > > > > > > > > C. If you could do that to the statement in the post in question, could you also do that to other post's statements?
> > > > > > > > > D. If so, what are the criteria that you will use to determine which ones you will change and make an unsupportive statement into a supportive statement?
> > > > > > > > > E. When I read your TOS here, it said to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. I took you at your word. So are you going to change your TOS from that to something like:
> > > > > > > > > [...If you post a statement that could put down those of other faiths, I will use my features in my computer to change the statement so that it does not put down those of other faiths...].
> > > > > > > > > F. Have you done this type of changing previously here? If so, could you post the urls of those?
> > > > > > > > > G. If you do change the statement, would there be a disclaimer posted in the thread that you made a change to what another member posted and why you modified the statement?
> > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > If you are going to use your option to not respond to my requests in the above post from me to you, then here is the next post in our discussion.
> > > > > > > > The post is problematic for many reasons. But be it as it may be, the statements still stand that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and IMHO could induce in the minds of a subset of readers the ideas that could lead them IMHHO to think of violence toward Jews, on the basis that some readers could think that the statements about Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here by you. What I am asking is for you to post there a statement that the statements about Jews are not considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community. To see the post in question, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> > > > > > > > [ faith,428781 ]
> > > > > > > > Lou PIlder
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > Now you write that you would like to go on to another post. But there is the potential, IMHO, for Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence as a result of the derogatory statements about Jews being allowed to stand by you here.
> > > > > > > You say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole and for people to trust you in that. But I say to you that as long as you do not respond to my requests, what you allow to stand here about the Jews could inflict harm to Jews because there could be a subset of readers that see these statements in question being allowed to stand and could take that as that what is written about Jews to be supportive by you since you say that support takes precedence. And you also say that one match could start a forest fire so that you do not wait to act. Then statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings being allowed to stand by you could cause a subset of readers to think that it is supportive by you to have statements that could defame Jews and stigmatize Jews which I think could induce hostility toward Jews in a subset of readers so that there could be children being beaten and killed by Jew-haters as they could see that a psychiatrist allows such derogatory and dehumanizing statements about Jews to be seen as good for this community as a whole as you say that you do.You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. I say to you that it could be seen that your posture toward Jews by allowing these statements about Jews to stand could stoke the furnace of hate and by allowing the statements, the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning. I am here to put out the fire that you are allowing. And as long as these statements that are derogatory and dehumanizing about the Jews are allowed to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, so shall I continue to try to stop you from allowing the fire of hatred toward the Jews to spread.
> > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > Here are two posts for discussion. The posts have statements in them that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and the posts can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you.
> > > > > > In this post anti-Semitic feelings could be aroused IMO. This could stereotype Jews and stigmatize Jews, for the passage doesn't say what the poster says it says.
> > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > http:/www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > > > Then in this post, line #6 uses the word, {only} which precludes Jews and all other religions that have a different way than Christiandom. This could arouse hatred in particular but not limited toward the Jews.
> > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > > The correction to the first link is:
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > >
> > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > You have posted that as the statement in the second link here that has line #6 that starts of with,[What is Christianity...], that as the statement stands, it would need to be modified so as to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community as you cited the correct way for the statement to be, ie,[..What is Christianity, a way for (me) or a way for (people of my faith).
> > > > The statement as it stands puts down at least Jews, and is an antisemitic statement as agreed by you here. For the statement as it stands says that Christianity is the only way for all humanity, which includes the Jews.
> > > > My request here is to know what remedial action, if anything, you are going to take as a result of posting here that the statement is not in accordance with your own stated rules. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> > > > Lou, I'm going to:
> > > > A. Leave the statement as it stands because it says what it says and that will be good for this community as a whole.
> > > > B. Post in the thread where the statement is seen something that shows the readers that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
> > > > C. I agree that the statement could be taken as an insult to Islamic and Jewish and Hindu people and all other people that have a faith that has their own pathway to return to God outside of Christianity, but I will still not post anything in the thread where the post appears because if those people could feel insulted when they read the statement,[...your answer here ...]
> > > > D. Something else.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > We now have the two posts that IMHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings by the nature that what is contained in the post could lead a Jew to feel put down. The one post is concerning that it states something like,[...Christianity is he only religion that has a path back to the Father, or to God...]. As of now I do not see any post by you linked to that post. If you are not going to take remedial action in regards to this post that could put down Jews and Islamic people and anyone else that has a religion that offers a way back to God that is not part of Christianity, then you could go on to this post and post here if you consider it to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > > Lou Pilder
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1048569.html
> >
> > correction:
> > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> Be advised that your terms of service here is that if a post is not addressed by you, that others could think that you are indicating by your not addressing it, that the statement in question is conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
> Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do, for you say that you want readers to try to trust you in that you are doing what will be good for this community as a whole and that you will appreciate it if they do. The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> Let us look at what has been posted here by you:
> Lou PIlder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/424336.htmlMr. Hsiung,
Now I want to cntiue our discussion. But take the following int consideration when you post ay reply to me.
Here you say that just a small statement can lead someone to feel put down, and to be civil at all times
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
Now here are some of the posts that others could think that you are saying that they are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive due to what you have posted about if posts are not addressed by you. If you really think that, then could you post an affirmation of that here now? If you do, then I will go in a different direction here in our discussion.
Here are some of the posts in our discussion that I am awaiting for your response to me.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 13:20:39
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-phoz, posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 13:13:52
> > > > > > > > > > > > If {what if} means that by modifying what can be seen would annul the fact that the post means, I have said that it would not.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard the words often enough, in context, to understand that it's generally meant as a condemnation of Christian churches who do not have Christ at their center.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dinah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > if you think for one second that I am going to ever stop my efforts here to purge that statement .. then think again my friends
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I did think we might be able to agree on a way to modify it. Apparently not. Reasonable people can disagree. How about moving on to another statement?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > > The statement says what it says. You even want to change it. You could do that and then I will post my response to you in that thread where you make the change. I have the following concerns and would like for you to post answers to the following.
> > > > > > > > > > A. Are you going to actually do some type of computer surgery to the statement and change it so that it will be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community? You do not need my permission to do that.
> > > > > > > > > > B. If so, would the original statement remain or not?
> > > > > > > > > > C. If you could do that to the statement in the post in question, could you also do that to other post's statements?
> > > > > > > > > > D. If so, what are the criteria that you will use to determine which ones you will change and make an unsupportive statement into a supportive statement?
> > > > > > > > > > E. When I read your TOS here, it said to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. I took you at your word. So are you going to change your TOS from that to something like:
> > > > > > > > > > [...If you post a statement that could put down those of other faiths, I will use my features in my computer to change the statement so that it does not put down those of other faiths...].
> > > > > > > > > > F. Have you done this type of changing previously here? If so, could you post the urls of those?
> > > > > > > > > > G. If you do change the statement, would there be a disclaimer posted in the thread that you made a change to what another member posted and why you modified the statement?
> > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > If you are going to use your option to not respond to my requests in the above post from me to you, then here is the next post in our discussion.
> > > > > > > > > The post is problematic for many reasons. But be it as it may be, the statements still stand that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and IMHO could induce in the minds of a subset of readers the ideas that could lead them IMHHO to think of violence toward Jews, on the basis that some readers could think that the statements about Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here by you. What I am asking is for you to post there a statement that the statements about Jews are not considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community. To see the post in question, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> > > > > > > > > [ faith,428781 ]
> > > > > > > > > Lou PIlder
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > Now you write that you would like to go on to another post. But there is the potential, IMHO, for Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence as a result of the derogatory statements about Jews being allowed to stand by you here.
> > > > > > > > You say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole and for people to trust you in that. But I say to you that as long as you do not respond to my requests, what you allow to stand here about the Jews could inflict harm to Jews because there could be a subset of readers that see these statements in question being allowed to stand and could take that as that what is written about Jews to be supportive by you since you say that support takes precedence. And you also say that one match could start a forest fire so that you do not wait to act. Then statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings being allowed to stand by you could cause a subset of readers to think that it is supportive by you to have statements that could defame Jews and stigmatize Jews which I think could induce hostility toward Jews in a subset of readers so that there could be children being beaten and killed by Jew-haters as they could see that a psychiatrist allows such derogatory and dehumanizing statements about Jews to be seen as good for this community as a whole as you say that you do.You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. I say to you that it could be seen that your posture toward Jews by allowing these statements about Jews to stand could stoke the furnace of hate and by allowing the statements, the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning. I am here to put out the fire that you are allowing. And as long as these statements that are derogatory and dehumanizing about the Jews are allowed to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, so shall I continue to try to stop you from allowing the fire of hatred toward the Jews to spread.
> > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > Here are two posts for discussion. The posts have statements in them that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and the posts can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you.
> > > > > > > In this post anti-Semitic feelings could be aroused IMO. This could stereotype Jews and stigmatize Jews, for the passage doesn't say what the poster says it says.
> > > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > > http:/www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > > > > Then in this post, line #6 uses the word, {only} which precludes Jews and all other religions that have a different way than Christiandom. This could arouse hatred in particular but not limited toward the Jews.
> > > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The correction to the first link is:
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > You have posted that as the statement in the second link here that has line #6 that starts of with,[What is Christianity...], that as the statement stands, it would need to be modified so as to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community as you cited the correct way for the statement to be, ie,[..What is Christianity, a way for (me) or a way for (people of my faith).
> > > > > The statement as it stands puts down at least Jews, and is an antisemitic statement as agreed by you here. For the statement as it stands says that Christianity is the only way for all humanity, which includes the Jews.
> > > > > My request here is to know what remedial action, if anything, you are going to take as a result of posting here that the statement is not in accordance with your own stated rules. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> > > > > Lou, I'm going to:
> > > > > A. Leave the statement as it stands because it says what it says and that will be good for this community as a whole.
> > > > > B. Post in the thread where the statement is seen something that shows the readers that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
> > > > > C. I agree that the statement could be taken as an insult to Islamic and Jewish and Hindu people and all other people that have a faith that has their own pathway to return to God outside of Christianity, but I will still not post anything in the thread where the post appears because if those people could feel insulted when they read the statement,[...your answer here ...]
> > > > > D. Something else.
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > We now have the two posts that IMHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings by the nature that what is contained in the post could lead a Jew to feel put down. The one post is concerning that it states something like,[...Christianity is he only religion that has a path back to the Father, or to God...]. As of now I do not see any post by you linked to that post. If you are not going to take remedial action in regards to this post that could put down Jews and Islamic people and anyone else that has a religion that offers a way back to God that is not part of Christianity, then you could go on to this post and post here if you consider it to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1048569.html
> > >
> > > correction:
> > > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > > Lou Pilder
> >
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > Be advised that your terms of service here is that if a post is not addressed by you, that others could think that you are indicating by your not addressing it, that the statement in question is conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
> > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do, for you say that you want readers to try to trust you in that you are doing what will be good for this community as a whole and that you will appreciate it if they do. The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> > Let us look at what has been posted here by you:
> > Lou PIlder
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/424336.html
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Now I want to cntiue our discussion. But take the following int consideration when you post ay reply to me.
> Here you say that just a small statement can lead someone to feel put down, and to be civil at all times
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
> Now here are some of the posts that others could think that you are saying that they are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive due to what you have posted about if posts are not addressed by you. If you really think that, then could you post an affirmation of that here now? If you do, then I will go in a different direction here in our discussion.
> Here are some of the posts in our discussion that I am awaiting for your response to me.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
>
> correction
The last link is not a post under discussion as a post that could put down Jews as the other two in that set of three are involved in the discussion between Mr. Hsiung and me. I accidently included that link there.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2013, at 19:28:38
In reply to Lou's reply-ehyngellz » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 7:12:01
Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 19:58:48
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ehyngellz » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2013, at 19:28:38
> Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa
Phillipa,
The scriptures that the Jews use teach that all we like sheep have gone astray. And an angel is a messenger.
Then the scriptures tell of a way back to God, the Great Shepard, back to the fold, back to the family of God. This way I am prevented from posting here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung.
As to one's responsibility to my message, I have not posted it yet due to the prohibitions from Mr. Hsiung to me. But the scriptures teach that God's sheep hear His voice. The voice is heard in many ways. For the scriptures teach that the heavens declare the Glory of God.
Lou
Posted by SLS on November 14, 2013, at 23:26:55
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ehyngellz » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2013, at 19:28:38
> Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa
Good piece of logic, Phillipa.
If one does not listen to the pleas of Lou Pilder, a Jew, is that any different from Lou Pilder ignoring the pleas of a Christian to accept Jesus as the savior? Perhaps Lou should seek tolerance of the pleas and beliefs of others as others have been asked to tolerate those of Lou. I think that both pleas come from the heart, even if they are rejected reciprocally.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 14, 2013, at 23:48:27
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-rulz, posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2013, at 10:18:28
> I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.
--
> > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
>
> Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:
I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.
I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.
> > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.
At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.
I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 10:52:01
In reply to Recipricol tolerance of zealous and loving hearts. » Phillipa, posted by SLS on November 14, 2013, at 23:26:55
> > Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa
>
> Good piece of logic, Phillipa.
>
> If one does not listen to the pleas of Lou Pilder, a Jew, is that any different from Lou Pilder ignoring the pleas of a Christian to accept Jesus as the savior? Perhaps Lou should seek tolerance of the pleas and beliefs of others as others have been asked to tolerate those of Lou. I think that both pleas come from the heart, even if they are rejected reciprocally.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written above. It is difficult for me to have the understanding of what the poster is wanting others to understand from what he wrote for there is much more here about this.
The plea "to accept Jesus as the Savior" is in a post that has been ruled to be not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community if the statement includes that it is the {only} way to have Eternal Life and forgiveness from God.
But this could be problematic because Mr Hsiung has not notated the following as to if it is or is not in the same category. The statement says something like,[...Christianity is the {only} religion that has a way back to God...].
That statement puts down Jews and Islamic people and any other person that has a religion that does have a way back to God that is not a Christian religion. The statement insults Islamic people and Jewish people and Hindu people and all other people that have a religion that could have a way back to God other than the Christian way. The statement can be seen as civil and supportive here due to the nature of Mr. Hsiung's written terms of service here and his written policy that have not been changed yet, although there could be a change to the TOS here. I do not accept Mr. Hsiung allowing the statement to remain naked of any sanction until he changes the written TOS that can be seen now, to say something that would allow the statement to be civil and supportive. And even if he changes his written TOS here to allow it to stand, the statement could still put down Jews and Islamic people and the others that I have written here as included, and Islamic people and others could still consider the statement an insult to Islam and feel offended for if Mr Hsiung does make that written change to his TOS, he then could be seen as fostering insults to Islam and Judaism and the others by allowing the statement to be determined by him to be civil and supportive. This IMHO would be a worse thing for this community as it would allow hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and the others to be considered by a subset of readers to be supportive and good for this community as a whole because Mr. Hsiung says to trust him in that he does what will be good for this community as a whole.
Here is the statement that a subset of readers could think is supportive and civil here due to the fact that it stands unsanctioned and Mr. Hsiung says that even a small insult could start a forest fire and that he does not wait to put it out, a fire of hate as I see it. And the fire could grow and grow and grow outside of this forum and just because it could start here does not mean that it could not spread beyond here as readers could carry the flame of hate to other communities as seeing it as supportive by a psychiatrist. Not just an ordinary psychiatrist, but one that writes books about on-line mental health.
But it is much more than that. You see, the Christiandom member here can post that Christianity is the only religion that has a way back to God, but I am prohibited from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me that includes a way back to God from a Jewish perspective.
Let us look at a post in question that I am objecting to here as being that it is allowed to stand as then supportive and civil.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
And then this about Jews is posted and could be seen as civil here and supportive.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:10:00
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on November 14, 2013, at 23:48:27
> > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
>
> Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.
>
> --
>
> > > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
> >
> > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
>
> That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:
>
> I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.
>
> I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.
>
> > > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.
>
> At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.
>
> I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
Let us look at this post:
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:54:30
In reply to Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ptdwn » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:10:00
> > > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> >
> > Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.
> >
> > --
> >
> > > > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
> > >
> > > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> >
> > That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:
> >
> > I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.
> >
> > I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.
> >
> > > > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.
> >
> > At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.
> >
> > I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Let us look at this post:
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.htmlMr Hsiung,
Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 20:04:58
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 10:52:01
> > > Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa
> >
> > Good piece of logic, Phillipa.
> >
> > If one does not listen to the pleas of Lou Pilder, a Jew, is that any different from Lou Pilder ignoring the pleas of a Christian to accept Jesus as the savior? Perhaps Lou should seek tolerance of the pleas and beliefs of others as others have been asked to tolerate those of Lou. I think that both pleas come from the heart, even if they are rejected reciprocally.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> It is written above. It is difficult for me to have the understanding of what the poster is wanting others to understand from what he wrote for there is much more here about this.
> The plea "to accept Jesus as the Savior" is in a post that has been ruled to be not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community if the statement includes that it is the {only} way to have Eternal Life and forgiveness from God.
> But this could be problematic because Mr Hsiung has not notated the following as to if it is or is not in the same category. The statement says something like,[...Christianity is the {only} religion that has a way back to God...].
> That statement puts down Jews and Islamic people and any other person that has a religion that does have a way back to God that is not a Christian religion. The statement insults Islamic people and Jewish people and Hindu people and all other people that have a religion that could have a way back to God other than the Christian way. The statement can be seen as civil and supportive here due to the nature of Mr. Hsiung's written terms of service here and his written policy that have not been changed yet, although there could be a change to the TOS here. I do not accept Mr. Hsiung allowing the statement to remain naked of any sanction until he changes the written TOS that can be seen now, to say something that would allow the statement to be civil and supportive. And even if he changes his written TOS here to allow it to stand, the statement could still put down Jews and Islamic people and the others that I have written here as included, and Islamic people and others could still consider the statement an insult to Islam and feel offended for if Mr Hsiung does make that written change to his TOS, he then could be seen as fostering insults to Islam and Judaism and the others by allowing the statement to be determined by him to be civil and supportive. This IMHO would be a worse thing for this community as it would allow hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and the others to be considered by a subset of readers to be supportive and good for this community as a whole because Mr. Hsiung says to trust him in that he does what will be good for this community as a whole.
> Here is the statement that a subset of readers could think is supportive and civil here due to the fact that it stands unsanctioned and Mr. Hsiung says that even a small insult could start a forest fire and that he does not wait to put it out, a fire of hate as I see it. And the fire could grow and grow and grow outside of this forum and just because it could start here does not mean that it could not spread beyond here as readers could carry the flame of hate to other communities as seeing it as supportive by a psychiatrist. Not just an ordinary psychiatrist, but one that writes books about on-line mental health.
> But it is much more than that. You see, the Christiandom member here can post that Christianity is the only religion that has a way back to God, but I am prohibited from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me that includes a way back to God from a Jewish perspective.
> Let us look at a post in question that I am objecting to here as being that it is allowed to stand as then supportive and civil.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> And then this about Jews is posted and could be seen as civil here and supportive.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.htmlFriends,
The aspect of the message that Phillipa writes about that has Scott replying to, brings up as to what my message is. I have not posted the message due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsuing.
Now Scott writes,[...If one does not listen to the pleas of Lou Pilder, a Jew, is that any different from Lou PIlder ignoring the pleas of a Christian to accept Jesus as the Savior? ....]
Whatever the plea of mine is, it is not specified here.
And going on with what Scott wrote,[... Lou {should} seek tolerance of the pleas and beliefs of others as others have been asked to tolerate those of Lou..].
The issue here going on now is that there are statements that put down Jews and Islamic people and others that do not accept the claims of Christiandom. One stated above and here is another one.
Here the statement says that one of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if the religion has an agenda not centered in Christ. The statement puts down Jews and Islamic people and all other religions that are organized and have an agenda not centered in Christ. The rule is in Mr. Hsiung's terms of service that is well-known. Yet today, the statement stands as being seen by a subset of readers as supportive and conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community. The statement is an insult to Judaism and Islam and the rest that I have included. And Mr Hsiung states that he does what will be good for this community and to try to trust him at that.
But the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is not allowed by Mr. Hsiung for me to post here. That is then also good for this community as a whole? Whose being tolerant of whom?
Lou
to see this post:
look at the second list as #5
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
Posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2013, at 20:37:08
In reply to Lou's response to Scott's post, more-wursd, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 20:04:58
What about Mormons, Jehovah's Whitness's and other religions. What about Spiritualism? Phillipa
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 15, 2013, at 20:41:37
In reply to Re: Lou's response to Scott's post, more-wursd » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2013, at 20:37:08
> What about Mormons, Jehovah's Whitness's and other religions. What about Spiritualism? Phillipa
Phillipa,
In what respect in regards to those organized religions?
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2013, at 22:20:47
In reply to Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ovkoar~, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:54:30
> > Let us look at this post:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
>
> Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.htmlSorry, could you repeat the question?
Bob
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