Posted by KayeBaby on July 2, 2007, at 18:36:19
In reply to Re: dextroamphetamine causing depression? » KayeBaby, posted by revaaron on July 2, 2007, at 2:13:24
> Do you find that any one CNS stim is better than the others? Like I said before, I was incredibly impressed by the dextroamphetamine until (around the same time) it both stopped working how I needed it to and ended up making me depressed. Made me wonder about ritalin (which reputakes rather than causes release) and possibly modafinil.
**I prefer a schedule 3 stim called Didrex then Dexedrine. This is probably due to my problems with fatigue as Didrex is more periperally stimulating than Dexedrine. I am ADD but who can think about thinking when you cannot even move?
When physical fatigue is not an issue I prefer dexedrine spansules. I get no anxiety with it. You might like Provigil. I noticed it was a great mood brightener and really felt (although I don't think in actuality it touches)seratonin-ish to me. Maybe you could cycle the two.
> Do you take GABA as a supplement, or do you mean something else which works with GABA (Phenibut, benzos, etc)?**I felt no effect from the actual GABA supp-but some do. Lyrica and the Taurine. No longer taking Lyrica but in a years time on it I got such restorative sleep that I am not having the horrible fatigue I have been suffering for almost 5 years straight. I believe Lyrica's effect on sleep is largely responsible for my remission.
>Hadn't thought about the taurine, I'll look into that. I do have some L-theanine coming soon that I was looking forward to trying. Of all of these that you list, are they all things you take once in a while, or daily?
** I have changed my supp regime as med med regime has changed. I am not taking stims anymore apart from the occasional 100mg of provigil and caffeine. I am on EMSAM almost 3 months, Namenda 10mg and Abilify 5mg. When i was taking those particular supplements I took them every day with the exception of L-theanine which I took on occasion.
> I'm a bit wary of taking 5-HTP on a daily basis, mostly because of what I've read in the way of 5-HTP withdrawal syndrome- but I don't see many other options. Since after I boosted the 5-HTP back up I've not had any problems, I'm wait and see if the depression returns, and maybe start taking it every (half the time for it to come back), which I'm thinking might be maybe even only once a week. It's hard to describe the feeling that 5-HTP caused in me when I took it at the low point of those few days- I was righted in a way that seemed very drug like, which is completely unlike the other times I've taken 5-HTP.
***Same exact thing here. When I need it, I know! Here is what worked for me. Load it. Take it regualrly till it starts making you drowsy then taper off for awhile. I can feel it-when it is too much or too little. Weird huh?>I've taken it a couple times since that day, largely as a means to see if I'm wonky or not, even if I don't feel it quite yet, but we're back to feeling nothing but a little sleepy- which is fine by me. We'll see if it comes back, and then I'll start taking it once a week, or a small bit each day like you say.
> I'm currently taking a B-100 B complex, Fish/Cod Liver Oil, and a multivitamin. After the reading I've been doing it sounds like I def need to add some L-Tyrosine, and possibly Zinc, Magnesium and Calcium as well.**I bet you will feel great with these addition. I got a profound push towards wellness with the addition of app. 100 mg B6 in the P-5-P form and 25-50mg zinc. I take it EVERY day since. If you need this you will be able to tell in a few days or less. The best thing I have stumbled onto on my own yet.
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> Do you find that any of these help with keeping dextroamphetamine working? Right now, the effects I needed- working memory and motivation- are totally null, leaving only the energy and buzz. I like the energy, but it's not why I take it. Hopefully getting some of this stuff back into my system will help**I really have mostly gotten focus and calmness from Dex in the past but I know that the Nameda restores stimulant response and is said to prevent tolerance. Good med.
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> What are your feelings about the -racetams, as an adjunct or possibly replacement for dextroamphetamine? I ordered small amounts of about 10 different proven (in normal folks) nootropics too see if any of it would help, and the -racetams seem pretty promising.**I have not tried any yet but am very curious-please post your responses to them!
I also ordered a bit of raw ginko powder- not sure how safe it is, but once when I was in my late teens I stuck a couple tablespoons of dried ginko leaf tea into an steam-powered espresso machine, drank the brew and was pretty impressed with what resulted. Not sure how sustainable or healthy relative megadoses of ginko is, though. Not that I was on anything else at the time, I'm new to the wacky world of stimulants.
>**You should check out vinpocetine-Ginko probably won't sustain that feel in you. Vinpo might be a better fit.
> If it isn't a pain, I'd appreciate if you posted the brand he gave you. Thanks Kaye for all the info!
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> Regards,
> revaaron** I have had excellent luck with NOW and the price is right. The formulas I was telling you about....I will gather them up and post them+the ingredients later because they are wonderful.
Check over on the alternative board for that info. We might get out thread moved if we don't go over there.
I don't mind at all! Love sharing info and learning.
Peace,
Kaye
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