Posted by pablo1 on October 7, 2004, at 17:32:20
In reply to Geno....Let's Brainstorm......(very long), posted by thug life on October 6, 2004, at 8:38:37
Just clarify where I saw things a bit differently...
First, I agree about the disorder not being all bad. I think it makes us more interesting as people and carries some gifts along with it. I’d rather struggle with this than be a boring person. Getting through it I will be a stronger person in the end.
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> Now as we are talking about ADD meds and stimulating meds....
> Ritalin does a whole different action than amp's.
> Amp's cause the release of NE,SE and DA.
> I believe (I could be wrong)it causes the release of NE
> more potently than DA(dopamine)and is least effective on SE
> But after all is said and done it works DA.The stimulants are all mostly dopamine meds but with a little NE (and it doesn’t take much to kick the DA into gear). I think the SE effect is negligible except with desoxyn (meth).
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> Ritalin is ... a dopamine reuptake inhibitor.
> That is why it has a different feel because
> it doesn’t release as amp's do but reuptake's
Here’s a simplified version of a chart I’ve been using which can be found here: http://sl.schofield3.home.att.net/medicine/psychiatric_drugs_chart.html
(I hope it survives pasting formatting)
Ritalin
2.9 hrs NE reuptake
20-30mg NE release DA reuptake
60mg maxAdderall
10-25 hrs NE reuptake+ DA reuptake+
5-40mg
60mg maxDexedrine
10-25 hrs NE release+++ DA release ++
5-30mg NE reuptake+ DA reuptake+
40mg maxDesoxyn
10-25 hrs SE release+++ NE release +++ DA release ++
10-25mg NE reuptake DA reuptake
> -I personally do not like Ritalin because it is to unpredictable.
> I Get the dysphoric feeling.
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> -I never noticed a difference in the l-isomer or d-isomer
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> -Desoxyn was horrible,very bad crashes.
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> -I currently take Adderall Ir the use the Dex Sr.
> I like the idea of using the fast acting agent
> to get into your system then let the long term agent finish your day.
> Timing is the key. Personally,I set the alarm an hour before I wake,
> take a pill, go back to bed, wake up with it kicking in.
>> -Dont drink or consume Vitamin C IT cancels out alot of the amps work.
You can also take baking soda or drink tonic water to increase the effect. Another thing I read says zinc sulphate increases effectiveness, I think this is alkaline like in antacid medicine
> Here’s some recommendations for ADD books for adults:
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> -Managing attention and learning disabilities in late adolescence and adulthood by russell barkley
> (very advanced academic discussions)
Barkley is kind of an ass. He doesn’t think inattentive ADD is part of ADHD at all but something else. He thinks ADHD is a disease with no advantages. He is smart though he simplifies things too much & warps things to fit a perfect scientific explanation. If it’s not proven in double blind placebo studies he won’t discuss it.
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