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Re: ocd - adhd - bp II - ginko - and the verb must Francesco

Posted by DSCH on October 23, 2003, at 21:25:11

In reply to ocd - adhd - bp II - ginko - and the verb must Francesco , posted by Francesco on October 23, 2003, at 12:06:41

> I managed to get some extra time : )
>
> acutil is an italin substance but I didn't know it was ... there is D, L-fosforileserine inside.

Is that phosphatidylserine in English?

> I find Ginko incredibly activating, yesterday and today I took 60 mg each day (neat), maybe it's too much.

Hunh, that's one thing I haven't tried yet, except in small amounts in a vitamin formula I took in 2002. Maybe it is worth a try with a more potent extract and in such a dose?

> I'm experiencing also some trouble with nervousness (on Ginko !) but it's not unpleasant. Maybe I call nervousness what others call activation.

All Gingko as supposed to do IIRC is cause cerebral vasodilation. Maybe it aggravates your cingulate gyrus if it is hyperactive?

> my main problem in these two days has been avoiding procrastination. I'm the king of it and I can figure out how much this feature is ADHD-related and how much is OCD-related.
>
> I mean, I avoid things that I "MUST" do (even if the must is only internal), and when I don't do the things I have to do I enjoy meself more that usual in the meanwhile (doing other things).
>
> this is a loop. I can do things (and enjoy myself doing them) only when I don't have to do those things (but other things). For ex. if I decide that I "have to" write I don't do it so well as I do it when I "have to do" other things (like studying). But if decide to study I abruptly want to write.
>
> Does this sound to you obsessive stuff or adhd stuff ? I'm asking to you because you have not ever mentioned having OCD-like-problems so maybe you can do be better than me in separating the two.
>
> on the same line ... do you have mood swings when you're not on meds (and supplements) ? one other of my problem is excessive daydreaming and I find that I daydream in excess never mind how my humour is. but when my mood is up my deadreaming is of the "grandious" kind. once again, I'm trying to separate BP-II from ADHD.
>
> at last. you mentioned once (I'm on Ginko so this time I'm sure ;-) that in your opinion we can have a problem of high dopamine instead of low dopamine. but there is something I can't yet figure out.
>
> I have a very poor motor cohordination (always been a complete failure in sports) and I found that it improved a lot on Ritalin. I experienced something similar (but less anyway) when I drank alcohol in not excessive doses. can this mean in your opinion that I have also problems with low- dopamine ?
>
> sorry for these very long posts. when I'll be more expertised with supplements I hope to be helpful to you as you have been to me so far.
>
> hope to hear you again when I come back to town.
> bye "the man" ;-)

Lots of what you bring up here sound familar to me from my own troubles. I think you can set aside BP2 and concentrate on *inattentive type ADD*. Some relation to OCD seems to be present but gets masked/unmasked according to what you take. At least that is how I see it.

Here's the thread over on Alternative...
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031023/msgs/272468.html

Regards,
DSCH, aka "The Man" ;-)


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