Posted by Jennifer on June 2, 2000, at 2:35:13
In reply to Re: Jennifer back 2 Scott-Nardil Aug - Thanks, posted by SLS on June 1, 2000, at 16:30:45
Scott, You thought the APA article was a bit confusing? How about parts of your reply. Remember I've been on this site for an entire week! You've got the ice/heat thing all wrong. For swelling caused by a contusion, it's cold for 24 hours, then heat from then on. Easy to remember because "c" comes before "h" in the dictionary. Of course migraines get "cold" only, and arthritis is "heat" only. Nardil causes heat intolerance in some people...so what do arthritic's on Nardil do?!!
What the heck is LOL? Person, place or thing?
I think at this point I am a member of the Lifelong Nardil Association (LNA), except for my brief hiatus a couple years ago. May I recommend you NEVER let someone give you estrogen/progesterone.......totally psycho response...although psycho people have psycho responses, which this is obviously one because I'm sure you would question ANY doctor that would prescribe female hormones (unless Scott isn't your real name!) OK, I'm getting out of this goofy mood and going off to bed. Doc appt in the am...should probably get a bit of sleep. Jen> > > Is there any way I can twist your arm and have you summarize their suggestions as what to use to supplement an MAO inhibitor?
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> > Ok, it took me 3 very long days to finally get back on line, sorry...but yes, my arm has been twisted. Hope this helps:
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> Hi Jennifer.
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> I really appreciate your reply. Use ice for the first three days, then alternate ice and heat for another five.
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> > Aumentation is adding 1 or more drugs which by themselves don't have established antidepressant effects. But, with another antidepressant can increase the reponsiveness. Combination therapy is the use of more than 1 antidepressant.
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> I was always a bit unclear about this distinction.
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> > They suggested several meds for "antidepressant augmentation" without being specific if it would interact with the Nardil. Lithium, Klonopin, and thryroid are all ok - as I am not dead,
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> LOL - Can you hear me?
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> > and I always research until I'm blue in the face before taking new meds.
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> I'll know who to ask from now on.
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> > Other recommendations were pindolol (Visken) and Mirapex-which I am unsure if they are safe with MAOI's.
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> It is.
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> > You'll need to ask a pharmacist on that one. Mirapex does lower your blood pressure though, and since Nardil was originally for lowering blood pressure (and then when everyone was in a good mood, they found a new use for it!) you may get a double whammy of low b/p. Good luck...maybe call a pharmacist on these, and then talk with your pdoc. Didn't he/she have any recommendations?
> Or were they not trusted recommendations? Jen.
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> I have thrown a lot of crap at Parnate, but not Nardil. Obviously, these attempts have not been terribly successful. I am ALWAYS looking for new ideas, and this is probably one of the best places to find them. This is such a great pooling of the expertise of the psychiatrists treating us, not to mention the brilliance of their patients.
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> > PS: My old pdoc told me that if you discontinue Nardil, and then go back on later, 10% of the patients no longer respond, or respond poorly. I don't know if this is true. I do know I needed the higher dose when I went back on.
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> This often happens, although I don't know the statistics behind it. It is so tragic to see. I am an advocate of extended treatment periods. For a subgroup of us, treatment should be continued indefinitely. You may want to take inventory to see if you are eligible to join the club of which I am a member.
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> If someone has been taking Nardil and begins to experience "poop-out", sometimes stopping and restarting it will work to recapture a strong antidepressant response. I would say that it is prudent to try other strategies first.
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> Thanks again.
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> :-)
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> - Scott
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