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Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2016, at 22:30:35
i had a nightmare 2 days ago i was in my room, and i ... i can't rerember the story of the dream, but this thing.....if i thought about him in my dream, he would show up, so i was a room in my dream, and i saw this phantom figure, trying to pass through the window, it scared me so bad, i woke up from the same room, there was nothing in the windows obbiously, i mean....when i was a kid i had nightmares, and waking up to reality and seeing what you see everyday is normal, but in a dream reality can be anything.....the emotion of fear can get really intense, terrified in an unconscious state, vunerable......read stories of people seeing shadows figures, moving around.....even writing about makes me paranoid, those taunting things i was afraid of when i was a kid
the worst is those sleep paralysis nightmares, your eyes are open but your nervious system has not activated yet, you can't move....omgod
anyone can relate, ever had a nightmare? how did you deal with it?
r
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 19, 2016, at 23:00:17
In reply to nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2016, at 22:30:35
lol ok maybe i wrote too much about this, but let's talk about dreams, forget what i wrote about the nightmare, how do you feel about your dreams? it's kinda funny because i've noticed some dreams have a story line, it's like where does all this drama come from, i've noticed i go back to same places in my dreams, weeks later.....
Posted by J Kelly on May 20, 2016, at 14:08:32
In reply to nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2016, at 22:30:35
> i had a nightmare 2 days ago i was in my room, and i ... i can't rerember the story of the dream, but this thing.....if i thought about him in my dream, he would show up, so i was a room in my dream, and i saw this phantom figure, trying to pass through the window, it scared me so bad, i woke up from the same room, there was nothing in the windows obbiously, i mean....when i was a kid i had nightmares, and waking up to reality and seeing what you see everyday is normal, but in a dream reality can be anything.....the emotion of fear can get really intense, terrified in an unconscious state, vunerable......read stories of people seeing shadows figures, moving around.....even writing about makes me paranoid, those taunting things i was afraid of when i was a kid
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> the worst is those sleep paralysis nightmares, your eyes are open but your nervious system has not activated yet, you can't move....omgod
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> anyone can relate, ever had a nightmare? how did you deal with it?
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> r
>Strange timing. Just the other night I woke up startled as I heard a noise (dream?) coming from my kitchen. I keep a knife hidden in my bedside table and I thought of getting it out. I really felt terrified! I finally went back to sleep but I realized how less scared I would have been during the day. That half awake state can be frightening.
Jade
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 21, 2016, at 0:51:56
In reply to Re: nightmares » rjlockhart37, posted by J Kelly on May 20, 2016, at 14:08:32
i think when where asleep is when where most vunerable, i've watched tv shows of people who reported being seeing things after they woke up, shadow people.......but yea when im awake and alert, that fear is not there, but when i go into a half awake state, it get's intense because your vunerable, like there going to over power you when your asleep, but i always have had a thing when i get scared and vunerable i get mad......in dreams i've had nightmares, and when these terrifying things show up, it makes me mad, because it's like why are you praying on me when i have not done anything? so it's like a feeling to fight your fears and not let them treat you like a defenseless child.......
Posted by J Kelly on May 21, 2016, at 8:10:59
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 21, 2016, at 0:51:56
> i think when where asleep is when where most vunerable, i've watched tv shows of people who reported being seeing things after they woke up, shadow people.......but yea when im awake and alert, that fear is not there, but when i go into a half awake state, it get's intense because your vunerable, like there going to over power you when your asleep, but i always have had a thing when i get scared and vunerable i get mad......in dreams i've had nightmares, and when these terrifying things show up, it makes me mad, because it's like why are you praying on me when i have not done anything? so it's like a feeling to fight your fears and not let them treat you like a defenseless child.......
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>Maybe being "mad" is your fight or flight response kicking in? When I'm awake that's how I'd feel, however, when I'm half awake and I get startled and/or scared I feel somehow paralyzed. Its not pleasant to say the least.
Jade
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 22, 2016, at 22:58:37
In reply to Re: nightmares » rjlockhart37, posted by J Kelly on May 21, 2016, at 8:10:59
we'll it just like.....are you going to stand there and let this great fear dictate, i've had nightmares that scared me cold to the bone, it's diffrent in reality than in a dream, the planes are diffrent, in reality if you see a monster or scary thing, you can pull out a gun and shoot it, in a dream it's diffrent......there's no psychical reality....it can over power you within seconds, the one i had 8 days ago this phantom fiture wearing a mask i was in my room, looking out my window and he showed up and started me down, red eyes, and then tried to bust the window open, i woke up after that.....and still it scared the living hell out of me
it's just.......getting mad ebcause there doing something wrong against you for attacking you in your dream, that anyone mad for attacking your for no reason
Posted by J Kelly on May 24, 2016, at 5:36:20
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 22, 2016, at 22:58:37
> we'll it just like.....are you going to stand there and let this great fear dictate, i've had nightmares that scared me cold to the bone, it's diffrent in reality than in a dream, the planes are diffrent, in reality if you see a monster or scary thing, you can pull out a gun and shoot it, in a dream it's diffrent......there's no psychical reality....it can over power you within seconds, the one i had 8 days ago this phantom fiture wearing a mask i was in my room, looking out my window and he showed up and started me down, red eyes, and then tried to bust the window open, i woke up after that.....and still it scared the living hell out of me
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> it's just.......getting mad ebcause there doing something wrong against you for attacking you in your dream, that anyone mad for attacking your for no reason
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>That does sound scary. I'm sorry you went through that :(
Sometimes I get that same sort of fear when I'm sleeping and I hear something in another room (probably my dogs). That half awake half asleep state. Yuk.
Jade
Posted by Chris O on June 1, 2016, at 3:27:41
In reply to nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2016, at 22:30:35
"I've noticed i go back to same places in my dreams, weeks later..."
This is a fascinating statement to me because I've noticed the same thing myself, only it's not weeks later, but to the place I left off the night before. It's like when I'm falling asleep (and I use the word "asleep" lightly since I sleep so poorly due to my anxiety and sleep apnea), I go back to the dream feeling space of the night before. I don't even remember it until I get there. Weird.
In terms of nightmares, I can totally relate. I have them all the time. They come in different themes, but broadly, I would say they all relate to loss of control over my life, or fear of being smothered/abandoned. I've had Christian-inspired dreams too, with fears of going to hell, but those do not dominate me unless I stay in that head space.
I do not ascribe much meaning to my dreams. I feel like they are biologically-mediated representations of/responses to my paranoias, fears, desires, and hopes. I used to write my dreams down. I don't do that anymore. Hope your nightmares stop plaguing you. That's unsettling when that happens.
Chris
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 3, 2016, at 23:22:24
In reply to Re: nightmares » rjlockhart37, posted by Chris O on June 1, 2016, at 3:27:41
yea i've had a dreams, ill go to familiar place in the dream, like it's another place......sometimes even people in my dream that i run across, these characters have no relation to the real world, i don't know how the mind constructs new characters with such detailed features, that or it's mind connecting with the spirit world
one of my worst fears is the mothman....i've had horrible dreams, having that cold aloneness feeling in the presence of something evil, i was watching urban legends, and there are alot of reports of people saying they ran across unidentified humanoids, or the mothman, or shadow people, those things terrify me, i cannot handle watching it on tv when im alone, if im watching like a documentary on urban legends, or a haunting, or watch a documentary on H.P lovecraft and his work, i have to turn all the lights on in the house, and call people......because that terrfying feeling when your alone in presence of sinister things, the only thing you can do is try to get out of it, read the bible, pray to jesus christ.....
i just.....that feeling when it comes into my dreams, is when it gets bad, the only thing i can do is try to fight it, and get mad....
i never want to live isolated, i want live in the city because i've noticed that sinister things happen to people who live in isolated areas, in the woods, or on a distant farm.....
anyways, just have strong faith, and surround yourself with many people so you don't feel isolated, always stay social when your having nightmares so you don't feel alone
r
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 3, 2016, at 23:39:36
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 3, 2016, at 23:22:24
i don't want to give bad vibes to anyone, think about positive things, always find positive, warm feelings, if someone thing is good on tv watch that and avoid fear inducing things.....
Posted by Chris O on June 4, 2016, at 11:49:26
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 3, 2016, at 23:22:24
Hi, Rich,
I think I can relate to you here. Do you feel that by watching something on television (say, about "Mothman," a haunting, urban legends, etc.) that you are going to manifest those things materially? If that is what you feel, I can relate to you.
But I am also aware, at the same time, that this is deeply a part of my anxiety disorder. In fact, I am accurately aware of how my thoughts shape my feelings and mood, so I do try to notice how my physical feelings change according to my thoughts, and then change those thoughts if they are causing me pain. Does that make sense? (Not that I am always, or even mostly, successful! It's a hard battle with my overly anxious mind.)
Anyway, I hope you can find relief when thoughts and feelings like that torture you. I have worked myself into a frenzy several times (worrying that the world was ending once in the early 2000s), and in retrospect, it was completely pointless.
Hang in there, man.
Sincerely,
Chris
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 7, 2016, at 11:19:55
In reply to Re: nightmares » rjlockhart37, posted by Chris O on June 4, 2016, at 11:49:26
no they don't manifest mentally, it's just it gives me the creeps to see those images of things, if you've ever read on H.P lovecraft, those images are very disturbing, he was an artist, and he wrote books but i don't understand how he thought of such hidious things, images of hell and underworld......google him and you'll understand what i mean
it's usally when im alone, and there's no one in the house, if i watch anything that makes me paranoid like demons, or urban legends it makes me very parnoid and heighed in fear, it's one of the most insecure feelings there are......
the mothman was reported in the 60's by people out in point pleasant, they said it was a humanoid like figure with wings and red eyes...see i never want to be out in the woods alone, i rather be in the city where there's alot of people
but nightmares usually i fight them, instead of being scared all the time, it makes me mad in my dreams......dreams and unconscious state is when someone is vulnerable, there in half awake state and mental functions are not active......
i think fear only has one goal to be taken: to be conquered, natural fear is healthy because it warns you of danger, or something, but fear of the unknown i think can be conquered....
Posted by Chris O on June 7, 2016, at 17:41:32
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 7, 2016, at 11:19:55
Hi, Rich,
I have not read much of Lovecraft, but I am well aware of his reputation as the premier horror writer of the 20th century. I was reading the Wikipedia article about him and noticed that both of his parents may have struggled with mental health issues (psychosis, "hysteria," depression), so I am guessing that deeply affected him/his views/his writing. I also think it's interesting that someone obviously so creative and brilliant had to struggle so much in life, financially and otherwise.
I think due to my anxiety disorder, I may share some of Lovecraft's thematic obsessions. Wikipedia mentions these as repeating themselves in Lovecraft's work (inherited guilt, "fate" (i.e. high external locus of control), civilization under threat, the arrogance of "science"). This (tendency toward apocalyptic worldview, lack of control, a feeling of being trapped by my parents failings) probably enhances many of the issues I suffer with anxiety. As I mentioned before, I try to shape my cognitions away from these darker roads when I am anxious, but I am not always successful. (Ironically, nighttime seems to be worse for me, but I do not attribute that to anything except biology--it feels like my cortisol ramps up at night leading to increased anxiety. But this increased anxiety also leads to increase "What's wrong-ing?" which leads to increased going down irrational paths. I don't know if this is the same for you.)
I think I mentioned this before, too, (and I don't know if this applies to you), but I feel like my ability to regulate emotions appropriately has somehow been disabled by my anxiety disorder. I am not certain if emotions I am feeling in the present are from the past, or whether I should or should not experience emotions at various times. So, I feel like I am on this perpetual overemotional/under-emotional train. It's really annoying, to put it mildly.
Keep fighting the good fight, man.
Sincerely,
Chris
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 13, 2016, at 19:11:40
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 7, 2016, at 11:19:55
there's a book called the necronomicon, alot of his stories where in that book, he must of opened up some kinda of channel to the spirit world to think of such hidious things, he was a simple man, he did have a troubled past with mental illness in his family, but his work, don't know what happened but it was dark dark dark
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 30, 2016, at 0:42:34
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 13, 2016, at 19:11:40
but one of my worst nightmares opening a door for dark forces to come. I don't practice witchcraft, i stay clear clear away......but what i've done is ill write god, and somehow i think it also transmitted to other supernatural forces and i've noticed tiny supernatural things happening....the tv turned on by itself, my phone automatically typed in address that my mom was telling me up to find, just very discreet things i've noticed that make you just say it was nothing.....nothing really to grab a major attnetion of, but still i've noticed them
no longer can i watch haunted shows, because i will get very paranoid they may happen.....
some how subcounciously i feel i want to contact the supernatural relm because i feel that people don't understand, somehow contacting god.....unseen things that could make a way to a better life.....but never open the door for evil to come in, i've read horrible things about people opening up to other deminsions and let horrible events happen to them after that
Posted by Chris O on June 30, 2016, at 0:53:17
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 30, 2016, at 0:42:34
"....the tv turned on by itself, my phone automatically typed in address that my mom was telling me up to find..."
Well, I can understand why you'd feel scared if your phone "automatically typed in an address your mom was telling you to find." That's certainly beyond the realm of random possibility, unless your phone had a verbal command program (like Siri). I'd be paranoid, more than paranoid, if that happened to me. But from a distance, I'd still like to think there is some other explanation beyond "evil forces."
When you talk about how watching "haunted shows" affects you, it still makes me go the cognitive realm, because, I too, can be affected by those kinds of shows. They can stir up my anxiety, but once I do not watch those types of shows, my anxiety goes away, and I see that my thoughts had created my feelings, nothing more. Is it similar for you? If you stop watching or thinking about "supernatural things," does some of your anxiety about it subside?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 30, 2016, at 2:33:01
In reply to Re: nightmares » rjlockhart37, posted by Chris O on June 30, 2016, at 0:53:17
i don't watch paranormal shows anymore, and reason is because of that errie feeling, and then it stay s with me making me feel errie and paranoid i think im too hypersensitive to coincidental events, thinking all of sudden it's messege from something
the phone didnt have voice over, its really a small little thing that was probably nothing, but my phone has gone to websites that i never typed in....they where too specific there was no way that siri or some voice over picked it
i think focusing away from this and not preoccupying my mind with this buloni will help....think of what my future hold or something
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 30, 2016, at 2:40:57
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 7, 2016, at 11:19:55
now i wanna delete this post, if people read this there gonna get the creeps.....
Posted by Chris O on June 30, 2016, at 9:54:25
In reply to Re: nightmares, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 30, 2016, at 2:40:57
No worries, man. Thank you for sharing. Hang in there. Great talking to you.
Chris
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